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    Very sobering article
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    If you know people still in denial about the crisis of American democracy, kindly remove their heads from the sand long enough to receive this message: A startling new finding by one of the nation’s top authorities on foreign civil wars says we are on the cusp of our own.

    Barbara F. Walter, a political science professorat the University of California at San Diego, serves on a CIA advisory panel called the Political Instability Task Force that monitors countries around the world and predicts which of them are most at risk of deteriorating into violence.

    By law, the task force can’t assess what’s happening within the United States, but Walter, a longtime friend who has spent her career studying conflicts in Syria, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Rwanda, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere, applied the predictive techniques herself to this country.

    Her bottom line: “We are closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe.” She lays out the argument in detail in her must-read book, “How Civil Wars Start,” out in January. “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war,” she writes.

    But, “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America — the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or the Ivory Coast or Venezuela — you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely.

    And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

    Indeed, the United States has already gone through what the CIA identifies as the first two phases of insurgency — the “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” phases — and only time will tell whether the final phase, “open insurgency,” began with the sacking of the Capitol by Donald Trump supporters on Jan. 6.

    Things deteriorated so dramatically under Trump, in fact, that the United States no longer technically qualifies as a democracy. Citing the Center for Systemic Peace’s “Polity” data set — the one the CIA task force has found to be most helpful in predicting instability and violence — Walter writes that the United States is now an “anocracy,” somewhere between a democracy and an autocratic state.

    U.S. democracy had received the Polity index’s top score of 10, or close to it, for much of its history. But in the five years of the Trump era, it tumbled precipitously into the anocracy zone; by the end of his presidency, the U.S. score had fallen to a 5, making the country a partial democracy for the first time since 1800.

    “We are no longer the world’s oldest continuous democracy,” Walter writes. “That honor is now held by Switzerland, followed by New Zealand, and then Canada. We are no longer a peer to nations like Canada, Costa Rica, and Japan, which are all rated a +10 on the Polity index.”…….

    Others have reached similar findings. The Stockholm-based International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance put the United States on a list of “backsliding democracies” in a report last month.

    “The United States, the bastion of global democracy, fell victim to authoritarian tendencies itself," the report said.

    And a new survey by the academic consortium Bright Line Watch found that 17 percent of those who identify strongly as Republicans support the use of violence to restore Trump to power, and 39 percent favor doing everything possible to prevent Democrats from governing effectively……



     
    It is wacko to believe in conspiracies in general. It is not wacko to hypothesize that something nefarious exists, but without evidence, it is a conspiracy theory. 99.99% of conspiracy theories are false. On occasion a conspiracy exists, but conspiracy theorists generally know nothing about actual conspiracies. They just throw out crazy ideas about anything they can't explain or refuse to accept could happen. Choosing to believe those conspiracies is wacko.
    Same with voter suppression and systemic racism, correct?
     
    Sure. I will agree to that. But are there not conspiracy theories the left flocks too? Voter suppression, systemic racism, Conservatives rounding up all the gays, men can give birth? Those all have horrible consequences on our society, but yet here we are.

    You started off weak, but got better as you went on.
    What are the costs, though?
    Imagine for a minute that voter suppression wasn't real. Combatting it has what negative results? Shorter lines at the polls.
     
    Same with voter suppression and systemic racism, correct?
    Except there's excellent evidence for voter suppression and systemic racism.
    Ridiculously long lines at polling places, for instance. You can go to them and see with your own eyes if you care to.
    When's the last time you saw a reptilian amped up on baby juice?
     
    Sure. I will agree to that. But are there not conspiracy theories the left flocks too? Voter suppression, systemic racism, Conservatives rounding up all the gays, men can give birth? Those all have horrible consequences on our society, but yet here we are.
    Voter suppression is not a conspiracy. It is an agenda of the right to counteract changing demographics. Systemic racism is over hyped, but some does exist. It isn’t a conspiracy theory. With that said, the left has some wackos too, but just far fewer and far less influential. Embracing wackiness on either side is not good. Trump is a wacko, so embracing Trump is bad.
     
    Same with voter suppression and systemic racism, correct?
    Cutting voting locations and other rules that are disproportionately going to affect Democratic voters is suppression. It is part of the right’s plan. It is not a conspiracy theory. Systemic racism does exist, although too much is blamed on it. I don’t consider that a conspiracy theory, because it is real. Over stating it is not a conspiracy theory. It is just exaggeration.
     
    Except there's excellent evidence for voter suppression and systemic racism.
    Ridiculously long lines at polling places, for instance. You can go to them and see with your own eyes if you care to.
    When's the last time you saw a reptilian amped up on baby juice?
    I think I saw one standing next to the crumpled corpse of an elderly lady that died in line to vote due to no food or water being available. I don't know if the lizard overlord was sipping on gin and juice of baby blood, but he was having a grand old time.

    Everyone keeps saying there is evidence of current voter suppression and or current systemic racism but no can present it.
     
    I think I saw one standing next to the crumpled corpse of an elderly lady that died in line to vote due to no food or water being available. I don't know if the lizard overlord was sipping on gin and juice of baby blood, but he was having a grand old time.

    Everyone keeps saying there is evidence of current voter suppression and or current systemic racism but no can present it.
    I guess that's ironic because everyone keeps saying there is voter fraud yet the only examples I have seen are isolated incidents and its usually Republicans perpetrating it.
     
    I guess that's ironic because everyone keeps saying there is voter fraud yet the only examples I have seen are isolated incidents and its usually Republicans perpetrating it.
    I know the feeling. I keep looking for voter suppression like you guys look for fraud and we are both left scratching our heads.
     
    I know the feeling. I keep looking for voter suppression like you guys look for fraud and we are both left scratching our heads.
    Suppression is a malleable word. Is taking away ballot drop box and in-person precinct locations in urban areas suppression? Strictly speaking, no. Is it almost certainly designed to ensure that less urban area voters (who are usually Democrats) vote? Yes.
     
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    Bingo - this isn’t a tough concept. Especially when we have GA GOP officials saying out loud that the purpose of their new laws is to keep certain people from voting. Suppress turnout.

    So it’s quite disingenuous to claim that voter suppression isn’t real. They’re doing what they can to suppress democratic votes. The only question is whether it will work. And whether Dems can counter their efforts in court.
     
    Bingo - this isn’t a tough concept. Especially when we have GA GOP officials saying out loud that the purpose of their new laws is to keep certain people from voting. Suppress turnout.

    So it’s quite disingenuous to claim that voter suppression isn’t real. They’re doing what they can to suppress democratic votes. The only question is whether it will work. And whether Dems can counter their efforts in court.
    there's a second question:

    how will the GOP react if the suppression doesn't work?

    They're crowing now about how the record early voting turnout is proof there is no suppression at play. But behind closed doors they have to be concerned.
     
    Interesting read
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    People like Payton Gendron, Dylann Roof, Patrick Wood Crusius and Robert Bowers all clearly think they are engaged in a civil war of a sort.

    Their acts of racist and xenophobic terrorism have aimed to cower the potential political and economic power a Black and Brown majority population in the US could wield by the 2040s.

    Roof, Bowers, Crusius, Gendron and so many others hold a collective belief in the so-called Great Replacement Theory. They willed themselves to slaughter Black worshippers at church service, Jewish worshippers at temple, Latinx shoppers at a Walmart, and white protesters against police lethality. These heinous acts are their way of saying that white men are at war with this changing US. For them, the very existence of white people and Western civilisation, American style is at stake.

    The self-described “eco-fascist national socialist’s” murder of Black folks in zip code 14208 was merely one skirmish in the civil war playing out in his and others’ minds. Many who are Black, Brown, and Indigenous – queer and straight – have already sensed this change in the world. It certainly is reflected in the so-called manifestos and everyday posts of these mass killers. Gendron was partly correct when he said in the Q-and-A section of his blatherings that he is not a mainstream, party-affiliated conservative. “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it…conservatism is dead,” he wrote.

    Gendron was also correct in identifying himself as a “fascist”. He sees himself and his homicidal compadres as united through fascism, because it “is one of the only political ideologies that will unite Whites against the replacers”. Fascists aren’t just ultra-conservative, racist, misogynistic, and queer-phobic. They’re also reactionaries, folks who ultimately want a fantastical reset of society in their favour and glory, often through the use of violence.

    As Americans have seen increasingly over the past 15 years, there are scores of politicians on Capitol Hill and across the US who espouse similar views. Many already see themselves in rebellion against the greedy politicos of both parties and refuse to accept a nation many once saw as a “white man’s country” turning into a majority-of-colour land. They are yearning for the days when parties ran on slogans like “White Man’s Country. Let White Men Rule” (the Democratic ticket’s slogan in the 1868 Presidential Election)..............

     
    I think I saw one standing next to the crumpled corpse of an elderly lady that died in line to vote due to no food or water being available. I don't know if the lizard overlord was sipping on gin and juice of baby blood, but he was having a grand old time.

    Everyone keeps saying there is evidence of current voter suppression and or current systemic racism but no can present it.




    Closing polling places at a disproportionate rate based on race/ethnicity is voter suppression. Limiting mail-in ballot drop-offs to a single place per county disproportionately affects poor residents reliant on public transportation and most impacts counties with large urban population centers. Purging 560,000 voters in GA just before an election is voter suppression.
     
    I think I saw one standing next to the crumpled corpse of an elderly lady that died in line to vote due to no food or water being available. I don't know if the lizard overlord was sipping on gin and juice of baby blood, but he was having a grand old time.

    Everyone keeps saying there is evidence of current voter suppression and or current systemic racism but no can present it.
    yah i keep waiting for the "evidence" none of them have found.
    oh pillow man...what you got?
    oh RW legals.....what you got?

    anyone...what have you got showing how illegal the election was?

    anything?...

    nothing?....

    yah thats what we thot. Nada. zip. zero. you got...nuthin.
    there is NO evidence of ANY election screws. get over it. quit wasting your gops time.
    ...or....cough it up. show the wurld what you found illegal about the election.

    srsly..they got nuthin. never had nuthin. they LIE to their own voters and they DNGAF.
     
    Suppression is a malleable word. Is taking away ballot drop box and in-person precinct locations in urban areas suppression? Strictly speaking, no. Is it almost certainly designed to ensure that less urban area voters (who are usually Democrats) vote? Yes.
    Yeah, I don't know man. I heard the talking points but so far, there has been a record turn out in Georgia for example. So, if voter suppression is real, why do we not see it?
     
    Bingo - this isn’t a tough concept. Especially when we have GA GOP officials saying out loud that the purpose of their new laws is to keep certain people from voting. Suppress turnout.

    So it’s quite disingenuous to claim that voter suppression isn’t real. They’re doing what they can to suppress democratic votes. The only question is whether it will work. And whether Dems can counter their efforts in court.
    Or in the voting booth.
     



    Closing polling places at a disproportionate rate based on race/ethnicity is voter suppression. Limiting mail-in ballot drop-offs to a single place per county disproportionately affects poor residents reliant on public transportation and most impacts counties with large urban population centers. Purging 560,000 voters in GA just before an election is voter suppression.
    limiting drop boxes (those were a result of covid, right) voter ID laws and a good thing. As far as closing in person places, have we looked to see if those places warrant spending resources to keep open? Inconvenience is not voter suppression. It takes me about 2 hours to vote.
     
    limiting drop boxes (those were a result of covid, right) voter ID laws and a good thing. As far as closing in person places, have we looked to see if those places warrant spending resources to keep open? Inconvenience is not voter suppression. It takes me about 2 hours to vote.
    Your first sentence is incoherent. Limiting drop boxes to 1/county when there are vast differences in county areas and populations is not just dumb but a strategy to limit turnout. I linked zero articles on voter ID laws. States that expand mail-in voting maybe justified in closing polling places. That’s not what’s happening in Texas.


    “In Harris County — home to Houston, the state's biggest city — the formula would mean fewer polling places in 13 of the 24 districts contained in the county, all currently represented by Democrats. Every district held by a Republican would either see a gain in polling places or see no change.”

    Inconvenience is a part of voter suppression. If you cut polls for urban areas with D reps while expanding polls with R reps, make people stand in line for hours, and bar the distribution of water to people in line, then you absolutely are practicing voter suppression.
     

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