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    Very sobering article
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    If you know people still in denial about the crisis of American democracy, kindly remove their heads from the sand long enough to receive this message: A startling new finding by one of the nation’s top authorities on foreign civil wars says we are on the cusp of our own.

    Barbara F. Walter, a political science professorat the University of California at San Diego, serves on a CIA advisory panel called the Political Instability Task Force that monitors countries around the world and predicts which of them are most at risk of deteriorating into violence.

    By law, the task force can’t assess what’s happening within the United States, but Walter, a longtime friend who has spent her career studying conflicts in Syria, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Rwanda, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere, applied the predictive techniques herself to this country.

    Her bottom line: “We are closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe.” She lays out the argument in detail in her must-read book, “How Civil Wars Start,” out in January. “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war,” she writes.

    But, “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America — the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or the Ivory Coast or Venezuela — you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely.

    And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

    Indeed, the United States has already gone through what the CIA identifies as the first two phases of insurgency — the “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” phases — and only time will tell whether the final phase, “open insurgency,” began with the sacking of the Capitol by Donald Trump supporters on Jan. 6.

    Things deteriorated so dramatically under Trump, in fact, that the United States no longer technically qualifies as a democracy. Citing the Center for Systemic Peace’s “Polity” data set — the one the CIA task force has found to be most helpful in predicting instability and violence — Walter writes that the United States is now an “anocracy,” somewhere between a democracy and an autocratic state.

    U.S. democracy had received the Polity index’s top score of 10, or close to it, for much of its history. But in the five years of the Trump era, it tumbled precipitously into the anocracy zone; by the end of his presidency, the U.S. score had fallen to a 5, making the country a partial democracy for the first time since 1800.

    “We are no longer the world’s oldest continuous democracy,” Walter writes. “That honor is now held by Switzerland, followed by New Zealand, and then Canada. We are no longer a peer to nations like Canada, Costa Rica, and Japan, which are all rated a +10 on the Polity index.”…….

    Others have reached similar findings. The Stockholm-based International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance put the United States on a list of “backsliding democracies” in a report last month.

    “The United States, the bastion of global democracy, fell victim to authoritarian tendencies itself," the report said.

    And a new survey by the academic consortium Bright Line Watch found that 17 percent of those who identify strongly as Republicans support the use of violence to restore Trump to power, and 39 percent favor doing everything possible to prevent Democrats from governing effectively……



     
    Yeah, I don't know man. I heard the talking points but so far, there has been a record turn out in Georgia for example. So, if voter suppression is real, why do we not see it?

    I guess because putting laws into place that attempt to suppress votes and actually succeeding are not the same thing....I for one hope it totally backfires on the dipshites that propose it....everywhere.....
     
    I guess because putting laws into place that attempt to suppress votes and actually succeeding are not the same thing....I for one hope it totally backfires on the dipshites that propose it....everywhere.....

    The thing is that for this election, because of all of the publicity, it probably back fired. For future elections, once all the fervor dies down and voting continues to be difficult and inconvenient, it will work as designed and suppress the vote.
     
    and there are plenty of people who don't respond until an obstacle is put in their way

    They weren't going to do the thing, but tell them they can't do the thing, or make it hard for them to do the thing

    and they will do the dam thing, come hell or high water
     
    Your first sentence is incoherent. Limiting drop boxes to 1/county when there are vast differences in county areas and populations is not just dumb but a strategy to limit turnout. I linked zero articles on voter ID laws. States that expand mail-in voting maybe justified in closing polling places. That’s not what’s happening in Texas.


    “In Harris County — home to Houston, the state's biggest city — the formula would mean fewer polling places in 13 of the 24 districts contained in the county, all currently represented by Democrats. Every district held by a Republican would either see a gain in polling places or see no change.”

    Inconvenience is a part of voter suppression. If you cut polls for urban areas with D reps while expanding polls with R reps, make people stand in line for hours, and bar the distribution of water to people in line, then you absolutely are practicing voter suppression.
    Sorry, I forgot 'and' in the first sentence.
    I don't think there should be any dropboxes. Absentee ballots are fine, but not dropped off. Either mail or in-person voting only (with ID).

    If someone goes and votes, why can't they bring their own snacks? If they get really famished, they can leave the line and asked their spot to be held or go back after going to the snack bar if they like. This emotional response to 'no food and water' is so lefty, it is comical.
     
    and there are plenty of people who don't respond until an obstacle is put in their way

    They weren't going to do the thing, but tell them they can't do the thing, or make it hard for them to do the thing

    and they will do the dam thing, come hell or high water
    That is a good thing then, right?
     
    Sorry, I forgot 'and' in the first sentence.
    I don't think there should be any dropboxes. Absentee ballots are fine, but not dropped off. Either mail or in-person voting only (with ID).

    If someone goes and votes, why can't they bring their own snacks? If they get really famished, they can leave the line and asked their spot to be held or go back after going to the snack bar if they like. This emotional response to 'no food and water' is so lefty, it is comical.
    What is the difference between putting the ballots into a drop box versus putting them into a mailbox?
     
    What is the difference between putting the ballots into a drop box versus putting them into a mailbox?
    Absentee ballots will have to be post marked from out of the state/county, otherwise, go in person and vote.

    Were their drop boxes before covid?
     
    Absentee ballots will have to be post marked from out of the state/county, otherwise, go in person and vote.

    Were their drop boxes before covid?
    Yeah I think there were, our county has always had one at the voting office. And I don’t think any state restricts absentee voting that strictly. There are lots of reasons to not limit vote by mail and no good reasons to restrict it.
     
    Yeah I think there were, our county has always had one at the voting office. And I don’t think any state restricts absentee voting that strictly. There are lots of reasons to not limit vote by mail and no good reasons to restrict it.

    Except for the fact that Farb has already admitted that he thinks the right to vote should be restricted.
     
    Yeah I think there were, our county has always had one at the voting office. And I don’t think any state restricts absentee voting that strictly. There are lots of reasons to not limit vote by mail and no good reasons to restrict it.
    Does that include mail out ballots that were not requested by the actual voter?
     
    There were here. Mail-in voting is every bit as secure as in-person.
    Again, are we discussing mass mail out ballots like we did during covid or just have a drop off box?
     
    Does that include mail out ballots that were not requested by the actual voter?

    There were no ballots that were mailed out that were not requested. They mailed out applications for mail-in ballots. The application still had to be turned in with proper identification/information to get a mail-in ballot.
     
    Does that include mail out ballots that were not requested by the actual voter?
    Why should that matter?

    If everyone has the right to vote, we should give everyone easy opportunity to do so.

    There's no reason voting should require any more effort than filling in the blank.
     
    Sorry, I forgot 'and' in the first sentence.
    I don't think there should be any dropboxes. Absentee ballots are fine, but not dropped off. Either mail or in-person voting only (with ID).

    If someone goes and votes, why can't they bring their own snacks? If they get really famished, they can leave the line and asked their spot to be held or go back after going to the snack bar if they like. This emotional response to 'no food and water' is so lefty, it is comical.
    You do realize that a mail box and a drop box are functionally the same. Voter drop boxes are typically more secure as they are often located in government buildings with surveillance cameras.

    It seems you have no comment for the elimination of polling places based on party.

    You can’t get out of line once polls close.

    Your hand waving of examples and blaming lefty emotionalism is the actual problem.
     

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