Biden stepping down - now what? (1 Viewer)

[zztop]

I feel like this deserves a separate topic.
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?

 

[MT15]

You have a non-X link (at work). I'd like to catch up.

I will see if I can find it - I saw tweets from some Ohio Dems I follow on Twitter. If I find them I will screen shot them.

 

[el caliente]

You've worded it in a way that makes me curious about your thoughts. Surely you understand that a lot of women, of all races, will vote for her. I think you might be underestimating the opposition to the assault on women's reproductive rights. A lot of men, of all races, will vote for her.

Was your post a clumsy way of pondering how much she might be affected by racism and misogyny? We might have some common ground there, though it gives me hope that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama won the popular vote in their presidential elections.

Reading through comments on X, I see a lot of posts from Harris supporters calling out white women, vocal liberal men, and black men specifically to fall in line and support Harris. The posts are too frequent for me to ignore the cracks in the party following yesterday’s events.

So yeah, I wonder if all these actors will fall in line come November.

 

[el caliente]

I thought you hated identity politics? Why are you bringing race into the discussion?

Because those groups are being called out by Harris supporters for not calling in line in the past.

 

[Nebaghead]

Because those groups are being called out by Harris supporters for not calling in line in the past.

Examples. I don’t see anything like that. To be honest, unless you are talking to real people or know these people are, I wouldn’t trust it.
It will be interesting to see the polls in a week or so now that it isn’t a fantasy pick with Harris and near reality.

 

[Incumbent]

Reading through comments on X,

Should we start here?

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t consider Twitter an accurate barometer of much more than rightwing deception and hate anymore.

 

[B4YOU]

Reading through comments on X, I see a lot of posts from Harris supporters calling out white women, vocal liberal men, and black men specifically to fall in line and support Harris. The posts are too frequent for me to ignore the cracks in the party following yesterday’s events.

So yeah, I wonder if all these actors will fall in line come November.

Your X feed isn't the real world. Show polling of groups backing Harris at different rates based on race and gender. Otherwise this is "I heard from some guy...."

 

[coldseat]

Reading through comments on X, I see a lot of posts from Harris supporters calling out white women, vocal liberal men, and black men specifically to fall in line and support Harris. The posts are too frequent for me to ignore the cracks in the party following yesterday’s events.

So yeah, I wonder if all these actors will fall in line come November.

There aren't that many cracks. People are falling in line because they want too and because the recognize that Harris is the best opponent positioned and qualified to beat Trump. It doesn't have anything to do with her race or gender. Those are just additional reasons for people who are inspired by those immutable traits of hers, to vote for her.

That really seems to be bothering Republicans and some Independents more than anything. Those who are conditioned to see everything with Democrats as only having to do with DEI or some other BS.

 

[el caliente]

I thought the same thing when you tried to "both sides" couping.

You should stop posting, and go read up on the nomination process, and the fake elector scheme.

You don’t think that he was pushed out?

 

[MT15]

For GA about Ohio, from David Pepper:

“For the first time in modern memory, Ohio Republicans attached conditions to legislation that extended the deadline for a presidential nominee to be placed on the Ohio ballot. … (left out some history)

But the Ohio GOP did not only attach conditions to the extension—they attached “poison pill” legislation, the clear aim of which is to undermine Ohioans’ ability to engage in direct democracy.

(Basically, an extension of the Issue 1 campaign to undermine direct democracy last year). Along the way, they attacked the rights of green card holders (and their spouses) in a way that even GOP legislators admitted looked to be a clear violation of the Constitution (a lawsuit has already been filed).

And they did all of this in exchange for the extension—trying to look as if this was all a noble act when it was in fact an effort to kneecap Ohioans’ rights. … (left out stuff about precedence)

To their great credit, the DNC, seeing that this was happening, took a bold step for democracy when they publicly committed to do a virtual roll call rather than credit in any way this appalling tactic.

They called the GOP bluff, exposing what the legislation was truly all about.

And they sent the message that they were willing to adjust their rules rather than watching and being part of an attack on democracy in Ohio (and by extension, anywhere).

Sticking to that commitment is the principled, pro-democracy thing to do.” Left out some more stuff.

Here is a background article on the egregious GOP actions that led to all this:

ALERT: Poison Pills Added to Bill To Put Biden on the Ohio Ballot

Urgent: Need YOU To Help Stop Another Sneak Attack on Democracy

davidpepper.substack.com

I haven’t read it all, just skimmed it. This guy doesn’t count brevity as a strength, lol. There was a “clean” bill extending the deadline in the OH House, but the Senate attached some stuff to it that would hurt future voter initiatives because they’re still upset about the abortion initiative in OH.

There’s more, just haven’t plowed through all of it.

 

[Incumbent]

 

[Booker]

Love this reply to the graph in that thread:

Updated endorsement tally. Also, the Harris campaign has reported they raised $81 million through the first 24 hours.

It's been a close but boring game and neither of the over the hill quarterbacks have looked very good, but one threw a pick six to start the second half that swung momentum to the other side. After a couple more ineffective series things weren't looking good and fans were tuning out...

...but the back-up quarterback just ran out on the field and seems to have created a spark, the fans are standing back up and reengaging...

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's been a close but boring game and neither of the over the hill quarterbacks have looked very good, but one threw a pick six to start the second half that swung momentum to the other side. After a couple more ineffective series things weren't looking good and, fans were tuning out...

...but the back-up quarterback just ran out on the field and seems to have created a spark, the fans are standing back up and reengaging...

KH = TH

 

[el caliente]

So if I can’t take X seriously, should I take PDB?

My feed is made up mostly of sports influencers, and politics spill into their tweets, and or they retweet political opinions. The majority of these individuals are minorities. If their opinions count as nothing, then I’m not sure what the value of opinions on this site are.

 

[SamAndreas]

The last time this happened was with LBJ over half a century ago. What’s happening is hardly an every day event. It’s a win at all costs event.

Who the hell cares?

I'm saying that to bring something up, your posts for the last half day appear to be a broadside attempt to shame us. Us being Democrats.

I've got something to say about that, I'm blind. Got a seeing eye dog. Here's a story about that:

It begins on Thanksgiving Day in 1965. Arlo and a friend, Richard, were having dinner with Alice and Ray. Alice owned a restaurant, although it was not open that day. They were living in an old church and had a lot of garbage around. Arlo and Richard volunteered to clean it up and take the load to the dump. Unfortunately, the dump was not open on Thanksgiving. So, they found a place nearby and dumped the stuff. Also, unfortunately, it was private property. The gentleman called the local police who then had to go through everything to try and discover whose trash it was. They found an envelope with Ray’s name on it. Not long after, Arlo was arrested for littering.

A court date was set, and the arresting officer had a set of carefully detailed pictures showing the scene of the crime. When the judge came in with a seeing-eye dog, the officer knew that all the work that had gone into the pictures had been a colossal waste of time. Arlo was tasked with cleaning up the mess.

That's Arlo Guthrie's story, not my story. And I don't have a seeing eye dog, the judge in that story did.

See what's happened to all of your work done here to shame us, it was a colossal waste.

 

[SamAndreas]

I hope they are checking with that Ohio situation though. I read that there are poison pills in the exception that was passed. Which is why the DNC had planned to conform to the original date for Ohio.

They can do both a virtual vote, deal with Ohio at the beginning of Aug, and still have a full televised convention with party, where they do the announce of the state by state delegate vote as the old tradition is.

 

[SamAndreas]

It's been a close but boring game and neither of the over the hill quarterbacks have looked very good, but one threw a pick six to start the second half that swung momentum to the other side. After a couple more ineffective series things weren't looking good and fans were tuning out...

...but the back-up quarterback just ran out on the field and seems to have created a spark, the fans are standing back up and reengaging...

I enjoyed that, I thought you might enjoy this:

 

[SaintForLife]

This talking point is dumb. Candidates are selected at the convention. If Republicans are now the protectors of democracy, then explain Jan 6th. Also, are they now in favor of eliminating the electoral college? Probably not since Republicans have won the popular vote only once since 1992.

Candidates are selected at the convention based on who got the most votes.

Harris will be the first presidential nominee for their party without getting a single vote.

I don't remember Republicans saying they were the protectors of democracy like the Democrats campaign slogan.

Why should they want to get rid of the electoral college?

 

[SaintForLife]

Over the past 24 hours, MAGA world has coalesced remarkably quickly around a shared reaction to the news that President Joe Biden will not seek reelection: It’s saying that the race was stolen from Biden.

“The people who called us a threat to Democracy for years just ran a coup against the sitting President,” declared @libsoftiktok, a high-profile anti-trans X account. Other accounts chimed in, comparing Biden’s announcement to the insurrection attempt at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

“For anyone who still believes January 6th was a coup, take notes. You just witnessed a real one. July 21st,” @EndWokeness posted. Mike Cernovich, a far-right influencer and an early perpetuator of the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, who has more than a million followers, posted, “By any objective analysis, we witnessed a coup.”

More reputable conservatives joined in: “One candidate survived assassination. The other staged a coup,” the prominent venture capitalist (and major Donald Trump supporter) David Sacks wrote on X. “Joe Biden succumbed to a coup by Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Hollywood donors,” agreed Senator Tom Cotton. This morning, Trump himself amplified the “coup” attack line on Truth Social, posting that Democrats “stole the race from Biden after he won it in the primaries—A First!”

The right-wing talking point is an attempt to point out perceived hypocrisy. Democrats have tried to run a presidential campaign predicated on the notion that “democracy is on the ballot.” It’s a reference to Trump’s strongman tendencies, especially his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which culminated in the January 6 insurrection. Now the right has a rare opportunity to try to undermine that message—and they’re pursuing it.

July 21 was quite obviously not like January 6. For one thing, there was none of the violence that typically accompanies a government overthrow. For another, Biden voluntarily removed himself from the presidential race.

Trump loyalists are arguing that he did so against the will of primary voters. “Having invalidated the votes of more than 14 million Americans who selected Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee for president,” Speaker of the House Mike Johnson posted on X, “the self-proclaimed ‘party of democracy’ has proven exactly the opposite.” In fact, most Democrats did want Biden to bow out of the race—nearly two-thirds of them, according to recent polls. And although it’s understandable that some voters are grousing about Biden passing the torch to Vice President Kamala Harris rather than pushing for an open convention, the idea that this is a coup demonstrates that the right is overplaying its hand.

It’s also an example of the right’s ongoing January 6 revisionism. As my colleague David A. Graham wrote, some Republicans have sought to “convert a shameful catastrophe into a celebration of the valor and honor of the culprits and portray those who attacked the country as the true patriots.” Flooding the zone with accusations of a coup can end up stripping the word of all meaning.

We should expect to hear this type of rhetoric more in the coming days and weeks. The “coup” line was one of two big reactions on the right-wing internet after Biden’s announcement yesterday, offering a clear preview of the right’s playbook against Harris. Predictably, certain parts of the right-wing internet also defaulted to its fixation on the topic of diversity, equity, and inclusion. To many Trump loyalists, the fact that Harris is a Black woman automatically makes her a “DEI presidential candidate.”..............

MSN

www.msn.com

MAGA Cries ‘Coup’

The right’s playbook against Kamala Harris is already clear.

www.theatlantic.com

And the left is suddenly not interested in protecting democracy by rigging 3 straight presidential primary elections.