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    Excellent article I thought deserved its own thread
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    On the surface, it would appear that book censors and censored authors like myself can agree on one thing: Books are powerful.

    Particularly books for children and teens.

    Why else would people like me spend so much time and energy writing them?

    Why else would censors spend so much time and energy trying to keep them out of kids’ hands?

    In a country where the average adult is reading fewer and fewer books, it’s a surprise to find Americans arguing so much about them.

    In this election year, parents and politicians — so many politicians — are jumping into the fray to say how powerful books can be.

    Granted, politicians often make what I do sound like witchcraft, but I take this as a compliment.

    I’ll admit, one of my first thoughts about the current wildfire of attempted censorship was: How quaint.

    Conservatives seemed to be dusting off their playbook from 1958, when the only way our stories could get to kids was through schools and libraries.

    While both are still crucial sanctuaries for readers, they’re hardly the only options. Plenty of booksellers supply titles that are taken off school shelves.

    And words can be very widely shared free of charge on social media and the rest of the internet. If you take my book off a shelf, you keep it away from that shelf, but you hardly keep it away from readers.

    As censorship wars have raged in so many communities, damaging the lives of countless teachers, librarians, parents and children, it’s begun to feel less and less quaint.

    This is not your father’s book censorship…..

    Here’s something I never thought I’d be nostalgic for: sincere censors. When my first novel, “Boy Meets Boy,” was published in 2003, it was immediately the subject of many challenges, some of which kept the book from ever getting on a shelf in the first place.

    At the time, a challenge usually meant one parent trying to get a book pulled from a school or a library, going through a formal process.

    I often reminded myself to try to find some sympathy for these parents; yes, they were wrong, and their desire to control what other people in the community got to read was wrong — but more often than not, the challenge was coming from fear of a changing world, a genuine (if incorrect) belief that being gay would lead kids straight to ruination and hell, and/or the misbegotten notion that if all the books that challenged the (homophobic, racist) status quo went away, then the status quo would remain intact.

    It was, in some ways, as personal to them as it was to those of us on the other side of the challenge.

    And nine times out of 10, the book would remain on the shelf.

    It’s not like that now. What I’ve come to believe, as I’ve talked to authors and librarians and teachers, is that attacks are less and less about the actual books.

    We’re being used as targets in a much larger proxy war.

    The goal of that war isn’t just to curtail intellectual freedom but to eviscerate the public education system in this country.

    Censors are scorching the earth, without care for how many kids get burned.

    Racism and homophobia are still very much present, but it’s also a power grab, a money grab. The goal for many is a for-profit, more authoritarian and much less diverse culture, one in which truth is whatever you’re told it is, your identity is determined by its acceptability and the past is a lie that the future is forced to emulate.

    The politicians who holler and post and draw up their lists of “harmful” books aren’t actually scared of our books.

    They are using our books to scare people.

     
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    “What about the children??!!”

    Always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism
    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.
     
    Didn't you just complain about how it's hard to read my posts when I post multiple tweets in one post?
    Yep, and I knew you would pounce on that. It isn’t very common for me to do that, but this thread was very important. Did you read it? Do you have any comment? What it is showing is that the idea that book banners are only worried about pornography is a ruse to get people like you on board. What they are banning is so much more important than that. You’re being misled - pretty willingly - into canceling parental rights and endorsing censorship. Which you claim you don’t support and yet here we are.
     
    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.
    The way this issue is being used it absolutely is a gateway to authoritarianism. We have a manufactured crisis + appeal to emotion - and the outcome will be censorship and authoritarian control over what books are available. Rather than parents controlling what books their own children can see.

    They aren‘t actually removing very many explicitly pornographic books from schools because there aren’t that many of those. They are actually removing “The Diary of Anne Frank” and Wilma Rudolph’s children’s’ book of her experiences. And any book that even hints that gay people exist, like the book that was a true story of two male penguins who “adopted” a chick and raised it together at a zoo. Or a picture book about families because it showed a couple of same sex families with children (this book was only pictures no words at all). Or a book about Africa because it showed a toddler’s bare behind in one picture. Or another book about a young child, because of a single illustration that showed this child standing in the shower - only as an outline, mind you - a cartoon-like illustration.

    So tell me again about all this “pornography” that is being removed from schools. You’re being lied to and you’re just buying it wholesale.
     
    Free speech absolutist till someone tells him to get angry.

    This puts all those rants about 1a kinda self serving.....
     
    This summer, Iris Mogul – a junior at a Miami high school – found out that she wouldn’t be able to take an AP African American history course that she had planned for the coming semester because it had been blocked by the state’s department of education.

    “As presented, the content of this course is inexplicably contrary to Florida law and significantly lacks educational value,” the department said in a statement.

    “It felt so far away when I first heard about all of this,” says Mogul, who only had a passing knowledge of book challenges and changes to school curriculum previously. “But that is really when it hit me – when it started to affect me directly.”

    Now, Mogul is prominent among the growing number of students and parents in Miami-Dade county and across Florida who are speaking out in opposition to book challenges, the capture of Florida school boards by conservative activists and this summer’s latest policy changes, which includes the expansion of DeSantis’s Parental Rights in Education Act.

    That backlash has increased with the governor’s recent appointment of Moms for Liberty co-founder Tina Descovich to the state ethics commission, despite having no relevant experience. The appointment grants Descovich even more power to target her political opponents and demonstrates the influence of Moms for Liberty on Florida’s policymakers.

    The Parental Rights in Education Act and the Stop Woke Act have led to students being barred from taking some college-prep courses that are still available elsewhere in the country (most notably African American studies and Psychology), which jeopardizes scholarship and admissions requirements.

    Upon learning that her AP English teacher might not be able to use Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison in the syllabus this year, Mogul came up with an idea to start a book club.

    Her aptly named Banned Books Club was established last month, featuring titles that have been removed from public school circulations in Florida, and meets at a celebrated Miami bookstore called Books & Books.

    A range of people of different ages and backgrounds, including a handful of Mogul’s peers, an audio producer and an English teacher attend……

     
    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.



    Concern for children is a gateway to most of this stuff

    and if anyone says anything people always say, “so, you don’t care about children?”

    Wearing masks? Think of the children

    Critical Race Theory? Think of the children

    Dont say Gay? Think of the children

    Drag shows? Think of the children

    Trans people in bathrooms or playing sports? Think of the children

    Abortion? Think of the (unborn) children

    Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin isn’t Virginia’s Governor without ‘Think of the children’

    and once people think a group is actively trying to ruin or hurt children that’s all she wrote for any kind of genuine conversation or debate

    Exploiting people’s natural need and desire to protect kids can be a slippery slope to crazy town

    if you’re trying to get people to think or do XYZ (whatever that is) tying it some kind of way to children’s welfare is always a good start
     
    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.
    its a excuse and not reality. Remember how horrible cross dressing is for kids? name one kid effected by it. Republicans have used kids for an excuse for everything calling democrats pedophiles to get people scared. same with abortions. we always hear how republicans are for the kids until you look right on the surface and see how kids suffer under republicans. poor schools poor medical services poverty teen pregnancy poor sex ed. yet republicans support churches and churches are the single largest source of child molestation. Republicans love to scream but what abotuthe children while doing absolutely nothing to actually benefit them
     
    It's won't let me reply directly to your post Optimus, but that it one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Hard to say much more about that.

    What does Rudy have to do with what I'm saying about pornographic material in schools?
     
    It's won't let me reply directly to your post Optimus, but that it one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Hard to say much more about that.

    What does Rudy have to do with what I'm saying about pornographic material in schools?
    It’s the same propaganda technique you are falling for - over and over and over again.
     
    Sort of like when you fell for the lie that there isn't unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare?
    You are conflating two different things. The only question is whether you do it on purpose or are you just confused?

    Wrong thread - go look at my response in the other thread.
     
    I have no problem with what you post. I only reference you when MT15 repeatedly complains about me posting articles or tweets to show she tries to enforce her rules on people she disagrees with and doesn't say anything when someone she agrees with does something similar.

    I can tell when you say things like "more articles from the propaganda arm of the DNC.....oops I mean the Washington Post"
     
    It's won't let me reply directly to your post Optimus, but that it one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Hard to say much more about that.

    What does Rudy have to do with what I'm saying about pornographic material in schools?

    The response was a reply I made in the Qanon thread, specifically about the Sound of Freedom movie.

    But it does illustrate exactly what I'm talking about

    You have a perfectly reasonable take

    "Should grade school kids be able to check out pornography from the school library?" No, they shouldn't. we all agree on that

    "Is child trafficking terrible and should be stopped?" Yes it is and yes it should. We all agree on that

    That is the starting point, the "gateway" if you will, to take it to the Nth degree, to take it to novels on racism, civil rights and gay and trans rights becoming just as bad as porn, books on the history and legacy of racism, civil rights and gay and trans rights becoming just as bad as porn, books with minority and gay/trans characters in them are just as bad as porn.

    It's the gateway to Democrats and Hollywood celebrities are behind the trafficking and are drinking their blood.

    And if there is pushback on any of that (and there absolutely should be), and this is where the Giuliani video does apply, it's "What is the motive behind the pushback?" "Why do they want porn in schools?" "Why are they okay with child trafficking" "What are they after? what are they hiding? What is their agenda?"

    And unless I missed it, you've never once said that you are against books about Martin Luther King, Anne Frank and the Lavender Scare being removed from school libraries,

    Unless I missed it you've never once said that as a matter of fact you are for keeping those books and books like them in schools

    But when there is pushback, saying how crazy and awful all these bans are you comeback with

    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.

    Right back to "what about the children?!”

    Right back to “worrying about children is a bad thing???!!”

    Right back to porn in schools

    Right back to Rudy's point of "what is the motive of people wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools"

    And trying to have a calm, reasonable, rational debate and discussion with people the right wing think want to show kindergarteners porn hub, and turn a blind eye to child sex trafficking is not an option
     
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    We will see if other states follow suit
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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill Monday to ban school boards from rejecting textbooks based on their teachings about the contributions of people from different racial backgrounds, sexual orientations and gender identities.

    Newsom called the measure “long overdue.”

    “From Temecula to Tallahassee, fringe ideologues across the country are attempting to whitewash history and ban books from schools,” Newsom said in a statement. “With this new law, we’re cementing California’s role as the true freedom state: a place where families — not political fanatics — have the freedom to decide what’s right for them.”

    The bill takes effect immediately.

    The topic of banning and censoring books has become a U.S. political flashpoint, cropping up in statesaround the country. Many of the new restrictions enacted by conservative-dominated school boards have been over textbook representations of sexuality and LGBTQ+ history.…..


     
    It’s not about protecting children and it’s not about pornography in libraries. It’s about erasing and/or “othering” LGBTQ people. Pornography is the lie they tell to get people to back this fascist shirt.

     
    It’s not about protecting children and it’s not about pornography in libraries. It’s about erasing and/or “othering” LGBTQ people. Pornography is the lie they tell to get people to back this fascist shirt.



    I've told my wife I give it one more election cycle before this happens here. They are basically doing it now just a few books at a time. The school board gave themselves the power to ignore what the book review committee decides so they can ban books the committee deems appropriate.

    Soon they will get tired of one-offing these and just nuke all things minority and LGBTQ related.
     

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