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    Excellent article I thought deserved its own thread
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    On the surface, it would appear that book censors and censored authors like myself can agree on one thing: Books are powerful.

    Particularly books for children and teens.

    Why else would people like me spend so much time and energy writing them?

    Why else would censors spend so much time and energy trying to keep them out of kids’ hands?

    In a country where the average adult is reading fewer and fewer books, it’s a surprise to find Americans arguing so much about them.

    In this election year, parents and politicians — so many politicians — are jumping into the fray to say how powerful books can be.

    Granted, politicians often make what I do sound like witchcraft, but I take this as a compliment.

    I’ll admit, one of my first thoughts about the current wildfire of attempted censorship was: How quaint.

    Conservatives seemed to be dusting off their playbook from 1958, when the only way our stories could get to kids was through schools and libraries.

    While both are still crucial sanctuaries for readers, they’re hardly the only options. Plenty of booksellers supply titles that are taken off school shelves.

    And words can be very widely shared free of charge on social media and the rest of the internet. If you take my book off a shelf, you keep it away from that shelf, but you hardly keep it away from readers.

    As censorship wars have raged in so many communities, damaging the lives of countless teachers, librarians, parents and children, it’s begun to feel less and less quaint.

    This is not your father’s book censorship…..

    Here’s something I never thought I’d be nostalgic for: sincere censors. When my first novel, “Boy Meets Boy,” was published in 2003, it was immediately the subject of many challenges, some of which kept the book from ever getting on a shelf in the first place.

    At the time, a challenge usually meant one parent trying to get a book pulled from a school or a library, going through a formal process.

    I often reminded myself to try to find some sympathy for these parents; yes, they were wrong, and their desire to control what other people in the community got to read was wrong — but more often than not, the challenge was coming from fear of a changing world, a genuine (if incorrect) belief that being gay would lead kids straight to ruination and hell, and/or the misbegotten notion that if all the books that challenged the (homophobic, racist) status quo went away, then the status quo would remain intact.

    It was, in some ways, as personal to them as it was to those of us on the other side of the challenge.

    And nine times out of 10, the book would remain on the shelf.

    It’s not like that now. What I’ve come to believe, as I’ve talked to authors and librarians and teachers, is that attacks are less and less about the actual books.

    We’re being used as targets in a much larger proxy war.

    The goal of that war isn’t just to curtail intellectual freedom but to eviscerate the public education system in this country.

    Censors are scorching the earth, without care for how many kids get burned.

    Racism and homophobia are still very much present, but it’s also a power grab, a money grab. The goal for many is a for-profit, more authoritarian and much less diverse culture, one in which truth is whatever you’re told it is, your identity is determined by its acceptability and the past is a lie that the future is forced to emulate.

    The politicians who holler and post and draw up their lists of “harmful” books aren’t actually scared of our books.

    They are using our books to scare people.

     
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    Florida school district orders librarians to purge all books with LGBTQ characters​

    Librarians in public schools in Charlotte County, Florida, were instructed by the school district superintendent to remove all books with LGBTQ characters or themes from school and classroom libraries.

    The guidance by Charlotte County Superintendent Mark Vianello and the school board's attorney, Michael McKinley, was obtained by the Florida Freedom to Read Project (FFTRP) through a public records request and shared with Popular Information. FFTRP requested "electronic records of district and school decisions regarding classroom and library materials." In response, FFTRP received a document memorializing a July 24 conversation between Vianello and district librarians, known in Florida as media specialists.

    A spokesperson for the school district did not dispute the accuracy of the document but emphasized it was a summary, not a verbatim transcript.
     
    Or just get a spine and deny the request

    The problem is that they have to go through a process and waste a lot of money to deny these request. And then after all that, the Superintendent can just overrule the process and it's all for not as the book is removed anyway. It's already happened 14 times in that district alone with many more pending. When the Superintendent is also a right wing MAGA idiot, there are no protections against this censorship through book banning challanges.
     
    They probably shouldn't, but I wouldn't make any laws against it. If a parent feels that book would help their 12-year old that is struggling with their sexuality, then they should be allowed to let their child read it.

    I don't have a problem with having age restriction and requiring parental consent for below those ages to check out books if they have explicit/sexual content in them. That's different from banning a book outright.
    Fair take and I tend to agree, but why have the book in the library anyway if those that attend the school are too young to read the book anyway? If a parent wants to help their 12 year old with this book (besides the obvious that the parent is not doing a good job of parenting) they can check the book out at the public library or buy it.
     
    There's a limited number of TARDIS's in the universes, so most libraries don't have the luxury of infinite shelf space. That's why they have to limit the number of books they carry. Unless, are these books we're talking about digital or physical?

    If they're digital, then it's ridiculously tyrannical to ban any books, because the digital checkout system can easily give each and every parent individual and complete control over what digital books their children can and can not read.
    Yeah, agreed. Good thing no one is trying to ban books. Restrict by age on who can read them, that is just common sense.
     
    Well, it very much depends on the 7th grader we are talking about, their level of literacy, their life experiences and the parents’ willingness to discuss the book with their child and help them put it in context. Your turn - what do you think will happen to the 7th grader who checks out that book? And why do you want to take away the parents’ ability to decide whether that book is appropriate for their child?
    So you want no restrictions on any book in schools as long as the parents are ok with their child reading it. Ok. I am surprised but somewhat delighted by sudden turn toward libertarian stance. Well, done.
     
    This is a great thread which explains why book banning is bad. I know our resident banners want to focus on what they consider pornography, but those books are not generally found in school libraries. Instead the book banners are targeting books like “The Diary of Anne Frank” and the book this thread is about. It’s worth the short time it will take to read it.








    Book banning is bad.
     
    Worrying about the children is always the gateway to right wing authoritarianism? It's absolutely crazy that people not wanting books with pornographic images or passages in schools are the supposed authoritarians.
    Yes, those that want to stop people from killing their children, protect the innocence of youth and stand against chemically castrating a child who is going to through a very common phase and keep public safe spaces for women are authoritarianism. What next? Will they call us 'nazis' and 'racists' next?
     
    So you want no restrictions on any book in schools as long as the parents are ok with their child reading it. Ok. I am surprised but somewhat delighted by sudden turn toward libertarian stance. Well, done.
    You asked about a specific book, oh mover of goal posts. Nice try…. You still haven’t answered my question - what do you think will happen to a teen who reads that particular book?

    Oh, and who “wields” the book? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
     
    You asked about a specific book, oh mover of goal posts. Nice try…. You still haven’t answered my question - what do you think will happen to a teen who reads that particular book?

    Oh, and who “wields” the book? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
    I see where your going and by your logic, technically noting will happen to anyone from just 'reading' a book. Right?
    So again, by your logic, there should not be any age restrictions on anything of the written word, since nothing will physically happen to them. Is it the same for video and pictures?

    To answer your question, by reading 50 shades of grey as a 12 year old, it will more than likely cause some sexual issues in that person as they get older.

    Do you think porn desensetation is a real issue or just a alt-right talking point?
     
    neither in this context, both are inanimate objects. The deciding factor is who is wielding the rifle and book and for what purpose.
    I appreciate the response.

    Wielding a book? Like as a weapon or in the figurative regarding reading it?

    Because the former is kinda funny and the latter is really funny.
     
    I see where your going and by your logic, technically noting will happen to anyone from just 'reading' a book. Right?
    So again, by your logic, there should not be any age restrictions on anything of the written word, since nothing will physically happen to them. Is it the same for video and pictures?

    To answer your question, by reading 50 shades of grey as a 12 year old, it will more than likely cause some sexual issues in that person as they get older.

    Do you think porn desensetation is a real issue or just an alt-right talking point?
    I don’t think reading books is generally going to cause sexual issues, no. Not books like 50 Shades of Gray, anyway. Videos and pictures are different.

    There probably are some books that could cause issues, though, in some children. That’s why parental rights is more important than some nut case trying to ban books about Wilma Rudolph and Anne Frank.

    You want to pretend it’s about pornography when it is about controlling other people’s children. Hence the bans of completely innocuous books.
     

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