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    SaintForLife said:
    The worst one that I can remember. I was 5 when Hinkley shot Reagan.
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    ok so then NOT the worst failure in history- just the worst failure that you can remember.

    Remember any other failures? Not ones you pluck off X- ones that you distinctly remember
     
    SaintForLife said:
    The 25 years is thrown out there just to deflect any criticism. How does their time of service somehow negate the worst secret service security failure?
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    It doesn't negate anything. What it does say is that she has a lot of experience and that experience can be valuable in a position of leadership because experience can help in making executive decisions. It doesn't excuse anything, but it does say that she has the required experience for someone in that position.
    SaintForLife said:
    She needs to resign immediately.
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    Based on what criteria? Have you seen all of the facts of what happened and the results of the investigation? Of course not. Classic case of putting the cart before the horse.
    SaintForLife said:
    The Secret Service's job is to protect the president and he would have been assassinated had it not been for Trump turning his head.
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    Yes, and?
    SaintForLife said:
    As she confirmed, the buck stops with her and the investigation won't change the fact that they almost got the president assassinated.
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    They didn't almost get the former President almost assassinated. The shooter did that. We don't yet know who was responsible for the security lapse. Until that's determined, we shouldn't be firing anyone.

    Once it's determined who was responsible for the security lapses, you fire those responsible.

    If the leader was responsible for a culture that led to a security lapse, then fire the leader.

    The pitchfork waving and out for blood responses to whoever just doesn't suit me well because that doesn't actually solve anything.
     
    DaveXA said:
    I believe the state police had officers there. And it's standard protocol that outside the first layer of protection is typically done by local police. I don't know who they coordinated with in this case. We'll see.
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    but of course no one agency is gonna admit part of the fail is on them.
    If the local police were strickly on traffic detail, then why was one climbing a ladder to confront the shooter?
     


    Butler town manager Tom Knights says that the local police officer who "interrupted" Thomas Crooks was hanging from the roof after being lifted up by an officer.

    Crooks then pointed his rifle at the officer which then forced him to fall.

    The officer who fell and the officer who was holding him, radioed into a "blanket tactical channel" to notify that an armed individual was on the roof.

    Knights said there has been no direct communication with members of the Secret Service to Butler officials.

    It's unclear how much time was between Crooks pointing his rifle at the officer and when the first shot rang out.
     


    Take a look at the section in the letter referring to Special Agent in Charge of the Pittsburg Field Office Tim Burke and what he says about the meetings before the rally about how they were focused on staffing dual events in the Pittsburg area -- Trump's rally in Butler and Jill Biden's dinner that night in Pittsburg. The NATO summit was putting pinch on the overall Secret Service resources -- not to mention that Kamala Harris had an event in Philly the same day.

    I reported Sunday that the Secret Service diverted resources from the Trump rally to the Jill Biden event. My Secret Service sources used the word "diverted" with me. That was rightfully a focus. I believe, from my reporting, there was a resources-allocation issue between the Trump rally and the Jill Biden dinner in the Pittsburg area on the same day, exacerbated by resources needed for the NATO summit and prep for the RNC convention.

    Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi has said the resources were not "diverted" from the Trump rally to the Jill Biden dinner -- but is it a semantics issue? Were they allocated in a lopsided or inappropriate way that was not threat-based -- because Trump clearly has more threats facing him than Jill Biden. Did some Secret Service agents advocate for more resources for Trump but did not win that argument and some of those resources they asked for instead went to Jill Biden's dinner?

    That is just one aspect the committee needs to drill down on.

    I continue to stand by my reporting.

    Here's a highlight of the key graphs in the Jim Jordan letter, below.
     
    SaintForLife said:


    Butler town manager Tom Knights says that the local police officer who "interrupted" Thomas Crooks was hanging from the roof after being lifted up by an officer.

    Crooks then pointed his rifle at the officer which then forced him to fall.

    The officer who fell and the officer who was holding him, radioed into a "blanket tactical channel" to notify that an armed individual was on the roof.

    Knights said there has been no direct communication with members of the Secret Service to Butler officials.

    It's unclear how much time was between Crooks pointing his rifle at the officer and when the first shot rang out.
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    so a local police officer climbs to the roof, Crooks turns his weapon toward him, and instead of drawing his weapon, he ducks for cover?
     
    efil4 said:
    LOL now you equate working for TSA and asking folks to take off their shoes, to protecting, with your own life, the POTUS ( or any other current or former US Official ) assigned to protect.

    i gotcha cuz. You dont like the bureaucratic route.
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    I’m not equating my TSA job to a USSS job (however I knew how to spot threats). I’m saying I worked for the TSA (a government job) for 3 years, and I could have stayed around longer while giving the same performance I gave on day 1, but I didn’t want to go that route. Plenty of people I worked with had been with the TSA since the creation of the department under Bush, and they were extremely lazy. The job is not designed for the average go getter, and in many cases you see people fail up with promotions (poor test scores, poor work ethic) in order to get them moved to someone else’s department to screw around. Honestly it was my time with the TSA that dissuaded me from pursuing jobs with the CIA after graduation. I hated seeing how government employment worked.

    I still see those same folks when I fly in and out of NOLA. Those people who were lazy and not good workers then don’t seem to have changed given how I see them bickering over who has to put bags in a scanning machine, and fighting over who can sit at the scanning machine so that they can sit.

    No matter how lazy or how poor their scores are, they won’t be let go or fired because it literally would take an act of Congress to fire them (outside of the 1 year probationary period). They will simply be moved around and keep accumulating seniority and benefits (which isn’t a bad deal). The USSS operates in the same fashion where you won’t get fired without an act of Congress.

    So you can miss me with “she has 25 years of experience.” It doesn’t mean a whole lot to me when I know that the process to get fired is damn near impossible.
     

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