Assassination attempt on Trump (2 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[MT15]

Because screw the facts, someone needs to pay regardless who actually forked up. People have zero interest in sorting things out.

And she makes a pretty convenient target because it reinforces their natural misogyny. The ire against the female agents and the director is something to behold.

 

[DaveXA]

And she makes a pretty convenient target because it reinforces their natural misogyny. The ire against the female agents and the director is something to behold.

Indeed. It's funny, they want her out but can't explain legitimately why they want her out. It's gross.

 

[Booker]

conspiracy theorists can't accept the easiest and most obvious answer. Cooks was a deeply troubled young man and
Trump just happened to be in his area. There is nothing political about this. Cooks is a nut case just like John Hinkley.

I think that’s the likely reality. And it's likely that a convergence of factors, including his generally non-threatening appearance that allowed him to move around despite attracting some attention and probably some complacency on the part of the security, allowed him to do what he did. No conspiracy needed.

 

[Krodwhodat]

There are many ways to do it. To start he could...

Big pharma needs to stop sponsoring news shows and charging us $12,000 for a drug that you can get in Canada for $2,000. They need less influence on our government.

The NIH needs to be reigned in and have much more oversight and gain of function needs to be permanently banned.

He could replace the head of the FDA with someone who isn't so close to big pharma.

The people who complain about Chevron Deference being overturned and saying these agencies will lose power but they don't ever mention how the head of many of these agencies come from the very companies that they are regulating.

There are legitimate reasons why the drugs cost more in the US than Canada. A majority of the drug patents in the world are from the US. It costs millions and millions to research and develop a drug. For every one that is approved and put into production there are 25 that aren't for the same cost of research. They give them patents to recoup the money they spent to develop the drugs. Canada and other countries don’t respect the patent laws and the minute the drug is on the market they take it and sell a different version much cheaper without having spent any of the money to develop it. Unless the US government wants to develop the drugs themselves private companies spend the money. Yes they get some grants but not nearly enough to cover costs.

 

[Krodwhodat]

We know he was an American, a registered Republican from a MAGA family.

Why did you capitalize the word patriot?

You’re holding back on us, aren’t you? You’re already invested in some bat shirt crazy conspiracy theory and you’re too chicken to spring that on us, so you’re spamming the board with all these posts questioning stuff we all already know about.

Just tell us.

I thought his Dad was Libertarian and mother was a democrat?

 

[el caliente]

Not peacefully i’m guessing

He died with a song in his heart.

the facts arent all in yet.

Do you know what the responsibility of Local LE was via contract? USSS? of course not.

What he is saying is folks are taking snippets of comments, placing them in their own context and posting them to social media as a "see?!??! GOTCHA" moment.

No one is claiming she should be immune from responsibility. They are saying WAIT til all facts are laid out and whatever findings come from whatever review happens. Until then, it’s pure speculation.

I am saying that punishment should be dished out once this is all done.

 

[el caliente]

Everything @efil4 said, plus: Her 25 yrs of service has EVERYTHING to do with it, coupled with the positions she held within the USSS, it makes her a SME! She should be judged on her actions following their investigation. She was not in the field on that day, if it is determined that her field agents didn't comply with USSS standards and she takes no corrective actions, then your calls for her head would be warranted.

By that logic (25 years means everything) she should be judged even harsher given she has been around since the Clinton administration.

 

[coldseat]

There are legitimate reasons why the drugs cost more in the US than Canada. A majority of the drug patents in the world are from the US. It costs millions and millions to research and develop a drug. For every one that is approved and put into production there are 25 that aren't for the same cost of research. They give them patents to recoup the money they spent to develop the drugs. Canada and other countries don’t respect the patent laws and the minute the drug is on the market they take it and sell a different version much cheaper without having spent any of the money to develop it. Unless the US government wants to develop the drugs themselves private companies spend the money. Yes they get some grants but not nearly enough to cover costs.

That doesn't all sound factual. We have treaties with other countries (especially western countries) to mutually respect patents. The drugs they take in other countries are the same name brands and produced by the same companies as our drugs here in the US. So I very much doubt that's the reason for the price difference. What those countries do have that we largely don't have here in the US is the ability of those governments to negotiate drug prices for their national healthcare plans.

We do carry and pay the burden of R&D for a lot of new drugs. Both in our early investments into R&D for new promising therapies and in the exorbitante prices we pay for the drugs after it's fully privately developed. The amount private companies invest in R&D for new drugs is directly tied to how much they expect to charge and make off of it once it hits the market. They also have to cover in those profits how much the lose in R&D that never pans out. Yay, capitalisms!

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

By that logic (25 years means everything) she should be judged even harsher given she has been around since the Clinton administration.

Then what are you using to make your judgment? Is it performance based? How did you reach the conclusion that she should be fired?

Edit: And yes, leaders should always be held to a higher standard than their employees! Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

[efil4]

He died with a song in his heart.

I am saying that punishment should be dished out once this is all done.

i think everyone been saying that. His comment that you quoted was specific to waiting it out and not jumping to conclusions regading someone with 25 year of public service.

Does the 25 years of service count for anything? Of course it does.

In every profession where mistakes are made and folks have to be held accountable, consideration is given based on years of service. ( with respect to punishment )

Courts do it as well.

 

[efil4]

By that logic (25 years means everything) she should be judged even harsher given she has been around since the Clinton administration.

LOL now you sound like Goodell..." if you didnt know, you should have known" ( re Bountygate/Sean Payton )

 

[el caliente]

i think everyone been saying that. His comment that you quoted was specific to waiting it out and not jumping to conclusions regading someone with 25 year of public service.

Does the 25 years of service count for anything? Of course it does.

In every profession where mistakes are made and folks have to be held accountable, consideration is given based on years of service. ( with respect to punishment )

Courts do it as well.

Does 25 years of service count for anything in a job that requires an act of Congress to be terminated from?

I have not said ready, fire, aim regarding her (or any USSS employee) termination, however this needs to be rectified soon. I can’t imagine anyone’s confidence in the USSS will improve if someone isn’t shirt canned.

 

[el caliente]

LOL now you sound like Goodell..." if you didnt know, you should have known" ( re Bountygate/Sean Payton )

I worked for the TSA for 3 years to make ends meet while I was an undergrad. So accumulating 25 years in a government job isn’t all that impressive to me, nor is it something that garners my immediate respect.

Between this and 1/6, the next President should just white wash the program like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.

 

[SaintForLife]

Does 25 years of service count for anything in a job that requires an act of Congress to be terminated from?

I have not said ready, fire, aim regarding her (or any USSS employee) termination, however this needs to be rectified soon. I can’t imagine anyone’s confidence in the USSS will improve if someone isn’t shirt canned.

The 25 years is thrown out there just to deflect any criticism. How does their time of service somehow negate the worst secret service security failure?

She needs to resign immediately. The Secret Service's job is to protect the president and he would have been assassinated had it not been for Trump turning his head. As she confirmed, the buck stops with her and the investigation won't change the fact that they almost got the president assassinated.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SaintForLife]

It looks like we are in great hands. The FBI and Secret Service didn't even realize it was fake until after they briefed Congress.

 

[efil4]

I worked for the TSA for 3 years to make ends meet while I was an undergrad. So accumulating 25 years in a government job isn’t all that impressive to me, nor is it something that garners my immediate respect.

LOL now you equate working for TSA and asking folks to take off their shoes, to protecting, with your own life, the POTUS ( or any other current or former US Official ) assigned to protect.

i gotcha cuz. You dont like the bureaucratic route.

 

[efil4]

The 25 years is thrown out there just to deflect any criticism. How does their time of service somehow negate the worst secret service security failure?

this is the worst failure?

Worse than Hinkley walking up to within 10 ft of Ronald Regan?