Assassination attempt on Trump (2 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[el caliente]

Yeah, it's almost as bad as Mike Johnson freezing up and leaving the stage when his teleprompter broke and all the people that misspoke throughout the convention.

None of those things are a big deal or prove anything to me, but if you're going to make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes and ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing, then you're being one sided and partisan.

That's your right and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, just don't try to pretend that your not. People only pretend that they are something they're not, if they're trying to hide something.

I’m not voting for Mike Johnson (nor would I if given the choice), you however are voting for Biden.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I’m not...

That was an attempt to dodge the point I made, so I'll make it again.

If you're going to make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes and ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing, then you're being one sided and partisan.

Don't try to pretend that you're not partisan in favor of Trump and Republicans. Your postings belie your claims that you're neutral. People only pretend that they are something they're not, if they're trying to hide something.

What are you hiding by pretending you are neutral and nonpartisan?

 

[el caliente]

What's interesting is that you link to an historically innacurate Wiki page that was clearly edited by Nazi apologists and deniers for the Nazi's.

If you're genuinely interested in the story this is an accurate source:

The True Story of the Reichstag Fire and the Nazi Rise to Power

When the German parliamentary building went up in flames, Hitler harnessed the incident to seize power

www.smithsonianmag.com

That’s the whole point though. If Van der Lubbe’s story teaches us one thing it’s that it can be years before we get to the bottom of a conspiracy. Hence the reason it is so difficult for one to wrap their head around how this could have happened.

 

[el caliente]

That was an attempt to dodge the point I made, so I'll make it again.

If you're going to make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes and ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing, then you're being one sided and partisan.

Don't try to pretend that your not partisan in favor of Trump and Republicans. Your postings belie your claims that you're neutral. People only pretend that they are something they're not, if they're trying to hide something.

What are you hiding by pretending you are neutral and nonpartisan?

Okay, the next time Trump makes a gaffe about this assassination attempt on himself I will be sure to point it out.

 

[LA - L.A.]

That’s the whole point though. If Van der Lubbe’s story teaches us one thing it’s that it can be years before we get to the bottom of a conspiracy. Hence the reason it is so difficult for one to wrap their head around how this could have happened.

Are you suggesting that there was a conspiracy to kill Trump?

 

[el caliente]

Are you suggesting that there was a conspiracy to kill Trump?

I don’t know. It’s too soon to tell is my point.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Okay...

You're dodging the point and the question again by saying snarky things that are irrelevant to what I said, so I'll say it again.

If you're going to make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes and ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing, then you're being one sided and partisan.

Don't try to pretend that you're not partisan in favor of Trump and Republicans. Your postings belie your claims that you're neutral. People only pretend that they are something they're not, if they're trying to hide something.

What are you hiding by pretending you are neutral and nonpartisan?

 

[LA - L.A.]

I don’t know. It’s too soon to tell is my point.

I agree it's too soon to understand why it happened. I also think it's unlikely that anyone in the government or Trump did anything intentional to make or let it happen.

 

[J-DONK]

Why are "they" not using drones for assassination attempts? C'mon, people, it's 2024.

They haven't patched out roof access yet obviously.

 

[el caliente]

Your dodging the point and the question again by saying snarky things that are irrelevant to what I said, so I'll say it again.

If you're going to make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes and ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing, then you're being one sided and partisan.

Don't try to pretend that your not partisan in favor of Trump and Republicans. Your postings belie your claims that you're neutral. People only pretend that they are something they're not, if they're trying to hide something.

What are you hiding by pretending you are neutral and nonpartisan?

I’m not dodging anything, you are trying to derail this thread.

I shared a tweet in which Joe Biden made a gaffe in addressing who he spoke to regarding the Trump assassination attempt. I followed up the tweet by saying sheesh.

You brought up Mike Johnson freezing up at the convention (was he discussing the Trump assassination attempt?), in an effort to downplay Biden’s ever so common gaffes.

I would point out Trump's/Republican gaffes more if folks here didn’t rush to post them (earlier in this thread I mentioned Romney’s “binders full of women” gaffe). Nobody seems to point out the constant Biden gaffes (I sometimes wonder why), so here I am to share them from time to time. I’m happy to play both sides, because unlike you, I can happily say fork both sides. I’m not loyal to them, country over party.

 

[LA - L.A.]

They haven't patched out roof access yet obviously.

They don't allow drones anywhere near these events, so maybe it's less of a risk to not use drones than it is to use drones and have to make sure only their drones are in the area.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I’m not dodging anything, you are trying to derail this thread.

You are dodging and I'm not derailing.

I shared a tweet in which Joe Biden made a gaffe in addressing who he spoke to regarding the Trump assassination attempt. I followed up the tweet by saying sheesh.

Biden's misspeak was not germane to the topic of this thread. It didn't add anything of value to the topic of this thread. It only served to ridicule Biden.

You brought up Mike Johnson freezing up at the convention (was he discussing the Trump assassination attempt?), in an effort to downplay Biden’s ever so common gaffes.

I didn't down play anything. You are saying that to downplay and dodge the valid point that I made.

On this board, not just in this thread, you make a big deal out of the times that Biden has gaffes, but ignore all the times Trump and Republicans do the very same thing. You're one sided and partisan in your actions.

You say you're not partisan in favor of Trump and Republicans, but your posting tendencies belie your claim that you're neutral or truly "fork both sides."

I would point out Trumps gaffes more if folks here didn’t rush to post.

You have no problem redundantly posting Biden and Democrats gaffes, so the fact that you don't redundantly post Trump's and Republican's gaffes is another example of your one sided and partisan actions.

Nobody seems to point out the constant Biden gaffes (I wonder why), so here I am.

That's just patently false and I have no doubt you know that's patently false.

I’m happy to play both sides...

You don't actually play both sides. You are one sided and partisan in your postings. You post negative things about Biden and Democrats frequently and very rarely negative things about Trump or Republicans. That's not the issue. The issue is doing that while claiming to be neutral.

, because unlike you, I can happily say fork both sides.

I don't pretend that I'm neutral. WYSIWYG with me.

You do say "fork both sides" a lot, especially when people point out you are one sided against Biden and Democrats, while claiming you "fork both sides." Your actions do not match your claims.

There's a universal tendency by those who post predominantly negative things about Biden and Democrats, to insist that they are not pro Trump or Republican.

What doesn't happen is people who post predominantly negative things about Trump and Republicans claiming they are not pro Biden or Democrats.

It seems like there are people who are pro Trump and Republican that feel a need to conceal there pro Trump and Republican leanings. A couple of people have recently admitted they are pro Trump after years of denying they were.

 

[Greg]

P.S. Why are they not using drones yet for survelliance?

Apparently they do. I heard an interview with a former SS agent. I think he said they’re armed drones. But he said it may not have been effective that day because they use FLIR and it doesn’t work great on hot days.

 

[SamAndreas]

So let’s think about this logically for a minute.

1. Trump has spent years putting the idea out there that violence is an acceptable way to counteract your political opposition, this is objective fact. It started even before he became president (remember him asking his followers to rough up or knock out protestors at one of his rallies and promising to pay their legal fees?) This call to violence has been a constant through point to his political career, and still is today.

2. A member of his own party tried to kill Trump, a person who was a gun enthusiast, who was a conservative, whose family had a Trump sign in their yard until very recently. He used a weapon that the GOP refuses to ban and also refuses to regulate to the point that in PA you can carry this rifle openly to the area right beside a political rally. Trump has also bragged that he prevented any gun safety laws while he was president, because he wants a lot of guns in society.

3. When a person steeped in MAGA’s combination of accepting political violence and its gun culture uses a gun to try to carry out an assassination, where did this person obtain this attitude that it’s okay to use violence to solve political issues? Hmmmm.

there is a thread I posted in here from a retired officer who worked these details. He explains thoroughly what zones there are and the responsibilities for each zone. I’ve posted it 2x in this thread, it’s well worth reading.

IIRC, the shooter was occupying the middle zone, which is often left to local or state LE to secure. He explains why the snipers didn’t see him at first, also.

You expressed real emotion there, It was real and that's what make it special. What you said factuatualy was also quite real. I approve.

 

[SamAndreas]

I will look for the article, but the widow of the man who was killed was interviewed today. From the except I saw there were a couple of takeaways:

1. Biden attempted to call her, but she refused to accept the call. She explained that her husband was “devout” about Trump and didn’t think he would want her to talk to Biden. She also said she had no ill will toward Biden, she knew he wasn’t responsible for what happened.

2. She said Trump hasn’t called.

Goodness. I'm going to leave this one alone.

 

[SamAndreas]

I know he said he wants to go to the funeral depending on the timing. Tough week with the convention for sure.

Greg, how the heck do you """know that"""? I suspect that you wish that. He doesn't want to go to a funeral.

That's one of the few things I see eye to eye with that criminal about, neither of us like funerals. Both of us would claw at the walls to avoid going to one.

Otherwise there is nothing about that criminal which is like me.



You wouldn't by happenstance be my first cousin would you? I have a first cousin named Greg who would feel like that. He would say things like you're saying. I do like him. It would be OK if you are my cousin.

Are you 65, both me and him are 65. If you are 65 let me know and I'll ask you another clue family question.

You could cut this short by saying you've not from Colorado, and have never been there. That would clear it up right away.

You wouldn't be my cousin if you're not from Colorado.



Farb btw, and I get along, and he's not my cousin. It doesn't matter.

Greg I think you would be nice to have around at a barbecue even if you aren't my first cousin. Farb too.

Saint's For Life could drink beer in the hills with me as well.

I have lodes of relatives who are Republicans. I'm trying amoung them to amend the hard feelings.

 

[SamAndreas]

i don't know if you noticed it, I noticed a roof hatch open fairy close to where they say a ladder was set up in those photos.

I think the police set up that ladder. I think the kid knew how to get on that roof without using a ladder.

I think the shooter went through the building, inside the building and found the roof access which is required by the uniform building code for all commercial buildings, all across America.

I could walk into any commercial building in America and find the roof hatch in oh say 15 or 20 seconds. I could climb the vertical ladder and pop that hatch open. If they had a padlock on it I could overcome that padlock in about 30 seconds with a 6 inch crescent wrench. Undoing two bolts 5/16 by one and a half inch bolts would undo that padlock. The closet door at the bottom I could overcome a lock on it without breaking my stride.

That was a steel building, steel is very flexible, a door frame in wood would not allow one to unlock a door with just about anything of steel one could find lying around that door.

Something 1/4 inch thick, 2 inches by 6 inches found on the ground near a door or carried in a bag will open any door in a steel building. My tool bag has a dozen tools I can use to open any door in a steel building. A half inch wrench being the most useful.

Wood buildings are much more secure.

There are millions of people in America who know all about roof hatches on all commercial buildings in America. Somewhere in every one of them there is a closet, in that closet, usually in a janitor's closet there's a vertical ladder leading up to a roof hatch, which two short 5/16 inch bolts hold the latch if a padlock is securing it. Remove those two bolts and you have roof access.

It's in the uniform building code. It's not my fault. I just happen to know how to find it and use it.

 

[SamAndreas]

I’m not voting for Mike Johnson (nor would I if given the choice), you however are voting for Biden.

I'm voting for Biden too, and damned proud of it.