All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[brandon]

So @Paul, now that we’ve established that racism exists, and that it is systemic (in the sense that there are systems that historically were in place that have negative effects on African Americans today), how can you truly know that African American culture is the reason why African Americans are less successful in America than whites?

And if you refuse to concede this point, then would you at least agree that the historic and current systemic racism we’ve identified has potentially had the negative effects on African American culture that you’ve identified?

Therefore, all of the negative cultural aspects you’ve identified (single-parent households, victimhood, etc) can be directly, or at least indirectly, attributed to racism?

 

[Paul]

So @Paul, now that we’ve established that racism exists, and that it is systemic (in the sense that there are systems that historically were in place that have negative effects on African Americans today), how can you truly know that African American culture is the reason why African Americans are less successful in America than whites?

The problem is very complex Brandon; yes racism plays a role. The effects of racism in the past are palpable and I am 100% for reparations.

However, there is also the issue of self agency and the issue of behaviors that are destructive. As to why some people fail to help themselves and engage in destructive behavior is a very complex issue. It may have to do with low self esteem, lack of hope, anger, depression, victimhood, and nihilism. The effects of long lasting racism are brutal. I see the problem as well as you do Brandon. Slaves were set free and somehow expected to climb the economic ladder with no issues after they had lived in bondage for generations. By the way let's not forget that the Democrats were always the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and the KKK.

Then LBJ, a man who used the N word regularly saw the writing on the wall and orchestrated a massive change to capture the black vote. The story repeated itself again. Jim Crow was ending and LBJ handed out welfare checks as long as poor single moms did not have a husband. That changed the fatherless rate form 20% to 73%. BTW, the programs helped those with agency and those that avoided self destructive behavior.

There are young men in the inner cities that never had a dad or a mentor and all they know is despair. They live in cities that have been under the control of a Democrat mayor, city council, and school board for decades. This is not enough to fix the problem. Reparations are needed but i am hesitant about a cash payment. I don't think it will solve the issue and would create a situation where the system could say, "OK. the debt is paid don't come back again in a few years crying racism".

And this finally bring me to culture: It is not necessarily culture. It is about growing up in America a nation that is obsessed with racial classification. What do you think happens if people are classified according to skin color and DNA. It is about growing up in a nation where leaders tell black people "you are doomed because of racism 24/7". The end result is division, anger, and hopelessness.

So why Nigerians and Jamaicans do so well? Jamaicans are particularly interesting because they are the descendants of slaves, However, they live in an island where black is the majority and they do not hear words of doom 24/7. They have OPTIMISM AND do not have the PTSD induced by the American media and political leaders looking for votes.

It is a complex problem Brandon.

And if you refuse to concede this point, then would you at least agree that the historic and current systemic racism we’ve identified has potentially had the negative effects on African American culture that you’ve identified?

I never disputed that point. My disagreement has to do with the proposed solutions which create a system of white saviors and black people that need the white saviors. That solution causes nausea Brandon.

Therefore, all of the negative cultural aspects you’ve identified (single-parent households, victimhood, etc) can be directly, or at least indirectly, attributed to racism?

Racism has done damage, see above. My hope is that American blacks acquire the pride of strength of immigrants of African ancestry. I know this is a tall order as American blacks have been massively tortured by USA racism. The latter includes the condescending racism of low expectations practiced by white Democrats in 2021. And this is sadly emulated by elite black leaders,.

 

[samiam5211]

@Paul

Hey Paulie, do you believe that it is better to have a both grandparents literate or to have both grandparents be illiterate?

 

[Paul]

@Paul

Hey Paulie, do you believe that it is better to have a both grandparents literate or to have both grandparents be illiterate?

This is my opinion Sam:

The best case scenario is to come form a family where everybody is educated. If that includes great grandparents parents that would be awesome. This has to do with the concept of memes, a term coined by Richard Dawkins, the famous British atheist. A family of educated people would propagate the meme education to the new offspring.

 

[brandon]

The problem is very complex Brandon; yes racism plays a role. The effects of racism in the past are palpable and I am 100% for reparations.

However, there is also the issue of self agency and the issue of behaviors that are destructive. As to why some people fail to help themselves and engage in destructive behavior is a very complex issue. It may have to do with low self esteem, lack of hope, anger, depression, victimhood, and nihilism. The effects of long lasting racism are brutal. I see the problem as well as you do Brandon. Slaves were set free and somehow expected to climb the economic ladder with no issues after they had lived in bondage for generations. By the way let's not forget that the Democrats were always the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and the KKK.

Then LBJ, a man who used the N word regularly saw the writing on the wall and orchestrated a massive change to capture the black vote. The story repeated itself again. Jim Crow was ending and LBJ handed out welfare checks as long as poor single moms did not have a husband. That changed the fatherless rate form 20% to 73%. BTW, the programs helped those with agency and those that avoided self destructive behavior.

There are young men in the inner cities that never had a dad or a mentor and all they know is despair. They live in cities that have been under the control of a Democrat mayor, city council, and school board for decades. This is not enough to fix the problem. Reparations are needed but i am hesitant about a cash payment. I don't think it will solve the issue and would create a situation where the system could say, "OK. the debt is paid don't come back again in a few years crying racism".

And this finally bring me to culture: It is not necessarily culture. It is about growing up in America a nation that is obsessed with racial classification. What do you think happens if people are classified according to skin color and DNA. It is about growing up in a nation where leaders tell black people "you are doomed because of racism 24/7". The end result is division, anger, and hopelessness.

So why Nigerians and Jamaicans do so well? Jamaicans are particularly interesting because they are the descendants of slaves, However, they live in an island where black is the majority and they do not hear words of doom 24/7. They have OPTIMISM AND do not have the PTSD induced by the American media and political leaders looking for votes.

It is a complex problem Brandon.

I never disputed that point. My disagreement has to do with the proposed solutions which create a system of white saviors and black people that need the white saviors. That solution causes nausea Brandon.

Racism has done damage, see above. My hope is that American blacks acquire the pride of strength of immigrants of African ancestry. I know this is a tall order as American blacks have been massively tortured by USA racism. The latter includes the condescending racism of low expectations practiced by white Democrats in 2021. And this is sadly emulated by elite black leaders,.

So it seems we agree then that the effects of racism, segregation, and slavery on African American society are both profound and pervasive, and as we recognize the effects, we must also take steps to correct this problem. You indicate that historical oppression is at least one factor in the difference between successful African immigrants and less successful African Americans.

Now, you’ve said more than once that you’re in favor of reparations, but you’re also wary that it may not fully solve the problem, and you’re worried that if it doesn’t solve the problem, people in power will use the reparations as an excuse to avoid addressing ongoing problems that reparations may not solve.

I think most of us would generally agree with that sentiment, and thus would suggest that reparations would only be successful as part of a larger campaign to not only make up for past transgressions, but also correct current systemic problems that would manifest themselves in continued disadvantages in the future. I think reparations are warranted, but agree that they can’t be the only solution.

Do we disagree about any of this?

 

[Paul]

So it seems we agree then that the effects of racism, segregation, and slavery on African American society are both profound and pervasive, and as we recognize the effects, we must also take steps to correct this problem. You indicate that historical oppression is at least one factor in the difference between successful African immigrants and less successful African Americans.

Now, you’ve said more than once that you’re in favor of reparations, but you’re also wary that it may not fully solve the problem, and you’re worried that if it doesn’t solve the problem, people in power will use the reparations as an excuse to avoid addressing ongoing problems that reparations may not solve.

I think most of us would generally agree with that sentiment, and thus would suggest that reparations would only be successful as part of a larger campaign to not only make up for past transgressions, but also correct current systemic problems that would manifest themselves in continued disadvantages in the future. I think reparations are warranted, but agree that they can’t be the only solution.

Do we disagree about any of this?

I have zero disagreements with what you say above. My MAIN disagreement is treating American black people in a condescending manner where victimhood is promoted. Don't get me wrong when a group of people have been victimized the discussion of the atrocities causes a sense of empowerment and brotherhood. However, this is now done over the top and has become part of the cultural fabric. This is so addicting that many fabricate racism ir do nothing but look for racism 24/7. Watch the analysis of Jusie Smollet by my hero McWhorter.



The prior history of black America with the oppressor is awful and we have heard the stories about the fear of having a cop driving behind a black driver. It generates anxiety and rightfully so. There is history of violence with cops. OTOH, a white driver. thinks nothing about having a cop behind. The history of oppression has been devastating. The history is toxic and surprisingly goes away when American blacks move abroad. America is all about racial classification and who is oppressing who and finding victims. This had led to victimhood culture. This can be very exhausting for some blacks that do not care to embrace the role of the noble victim. That is why so many like to live abroad. Watch this gentleman that has moved to Japan a nation that has NO HISTORY with black people. The man is happy describes how the issue of race 24/7 was asphyxiating. His experience is very much the norma for most blacks in Japan. Start watching at 3:50.



The situation needs to be fixed but America needs to move away from classifying humans according to DNA, looks, and skin color. That is the essence of racism and we actually have more racial groups classifications than the old apartheid South Africa. We need a Marshal plan to end poverty.

 

[LAhotsauce]

I have zero disagreements with what you say above. My MAIN disagreement is treating American black people in a condescending manner where victimhood is promoted. Don't get me wrong when a group of people have been victimized the discussion of the atrocities causes a sense of empowerment and brotherhood. However, this is now done over the top and has become part of the cultural fabric. This is so addicting that many fabricate racism ir do nothing but look for racism 24/7. Watch the analysis of Jusie Smollet by my hero McWhorter.



The prior history of black America with the oppressor is awful and we have heard the stories about the fear of having a cop driving behind a black driver. It generates anxiety and rightfully so. There is history of violence with cops. OTOH, a white driver. thinks nothing about having a cop behind. The history of oppression has been devastating. The history is toxic and surprisingly goes away when American blacks move abroad. America is all about racial classification and who is oppressing who and finding victims. This had led to victimhood culture. This can be very exhausting for some blacks that do not care to embrace the role of the noble victim. That is why so many like to live abroad. Watch this gentleman that has moved to Japan a nation that has NO HISTORY with black people. The man is happy describes how the issue of race 24/7 was asphyxiating. His experience is very much the norma for most blacks in Japan. Start watching at 3:50.



The situation needs to be fixed but America needs to move away from classifying humans according to DNA, looks, and skin color. That is the essence of racism and we actually have more racial groups classifications than the old apartheid South Africa. We need a Marshal plan to end poverty.

What proof do you or anyone have that fabricated racism is part of the cultural fabric? Besides Jussie Smollet and some random individual infrequent occurrences? I asked your friend 3 times and got crickets.

Was this 2014 Attorney General report on black drivers being targeting for traffic tickets just African Americans promoting "victimhood"? African Americans have said all along this was happening. I know for damn sure Gretna does this. Were they just crying whiny "victimhood" people or were they just telling the truth?

'Predatory police': the high price of driving while black in Missouri

St Louis area police’s use of traffic stops to raise revenue through fines was an underlying cause of racial unrest, a 2014 federal report found. For African Americans pulled over up to 10 times as often as white neighbours it feels little has changed

www.theguardian.com

A study published last month by the state attorney general’s office confirmed what many fear about “driving while black” in Missouri. It concluded black motorists were 85% more likely to be pulled over in traffic stops last year. It is the highest disparity since stops data began being collected 18 years ago.

 

[Paul]

What proof do you or anyone have that fabricated racism is part of the cultural fabric? Besides Jussie Smollet and some random individual infrequent occurrences? I asked your friend 3 times and got crickets.

Hate crime hoaxes, like Jussie Smollett's alleged attack, are more common than you think

In writing a book about hate crime hoaxes, I found more than 400. Such frauds damage good race relations.

www.usatoday.com

fakehatecrimes.org

This is a project to create a database of hate crime hoaxes in the USA. It builds on the work of Laird Wilcox, 'Crying Wolf'

fakehatecrimes.org

'Accidental Racist' Feels Like a Symptom of Munchausen Syndrome

I'm not going to waste any time critiquing the lyrics of "Accidental Racist", the controversial new song performed by singers Brad Paisley and LL Cool J.

bernardgoldberg.com

The question that begs an answer is why would someone stage a fake hate crime.

Was this 2014 Attorney General report on black drivers being targeting for traffic tickets just African Americans promoting "victimhood"? African Americans have said all along this was happening. I know for damn sure Gretna does this. Were they just crying whiny "victimhood" people or were they just telling the truth?

'Predatory police': the high price of driving while black in Missouri

St Louis area police’s use of traffic stops to raise revenue through fines was an underlying cause of racial unrest, a 2014 federal report found. For African Americans pulled over up to 10 times as often as white neighbours it feels little has changed

www.theguardian.com

Everyone knows that due to past abuses many black drivers develop anxiety when they see a cop in the rear view mirror. It is racism PTSD. This is so bad that many blacks rather live in places like Japan. This is paradoxical as Japan is one of the most ethno-centric xenophobic nations in the world. However, American blacks and Japanese have no prior history. For some reason American blacks prefer Japan. What they say is that Japanese racism is related to ignorance and not related to evil and malice.

 

[brandon]

I have zero disagreements with what you say above.

Welcome to the CRT fan club.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

For some reason American blacks prefer Japan. What they say is that Japanese racism is related to ignorance and not related to evil and malice.

And you have proof of this?

 

[Paul]

Welcome to the CRT fan club.

Did you see the video of the black American that felt liberated in Japan? He said it was refreshing to live in a society that did not discuss racism 24/7. He is not the only one, the overwhelming majority of people of African ancestry prefer Japan over America. They say Japanese are racists and ethno-centric but they do it from a perspective of ignorance. And somehow that is way less hurtful than the American racism which comes from a perspective of evil and malice.

CRT is a theory that is not really that useful because it describes racism as a phenomenon that permeates the entire culture of America. Derrick admits this overwhelming universal permanency of racism may cause despair. He makes the analogy of accepting one is dying from cancer. Bell was a socialist and I suspect he saw marxism as the only cure to eradicate the systemic racism.

 

[Paul]

Welcome to the CRT fan club.

Did you see the video of the black American that felt liberated in Japan? He said it was refreshing to live in a society that did not discuss racism 24/7. He is not the only one, the overwhelming majority of people of African ancestry prefer Japan over America. They say Japanese are racists and ethno-centric but they do it from a perspective of ignorance. And somehow that is way less hurtful than the American racism which comes from a perspective of evil and malice.

CRT is a theory that is not really that useful because it describes racism as a phenomenon that permeates the entire culture of America. Derrick admits this overwhelming universal permanency of racism may cause despair. He makes the analogy of accepting one is dying from cancer. Bell was a socialist and I suspect he saw marxism as the only cure to eradicate the systemic racism.

And you have proof of this?

Go to You Tube and google American blacks in Japan.

"I feel like Japanese people, they expect more of us, they're rooting for us," says one interviewee, a woman named Brittany. "Where I feel like in the (United) States, they have lower expectations." David, a musician, cites job opportunities: "Being a minority in Japan, I'm special. I get to do more things that I probably would have wanted to do in America, but the saturation of the particular minority (African-Americans) makes me invisible."

What's it like to be black in Japan?

A film about the experiences of black people in Japan has been watched 200,000 times.

www.bbc.com

The blacks in Japan like the idea that there is no condescending racism of low expectation. Because there is no prior negative history between Japanese and black people this clears the air and there is no animosity. The American blacks seem to accept the ethno-centricity and xenophobia of Japanese with no issues.

 

[RobF]

Go to You Tube and google American blacks in Japan.

Or you could google 'selection bias' and 'cherry-picking' and stop wasting everyone's time.

 

[MT15]

Paul: this was your response to a cited study proving that black people are pulled over by police at a rate far, far above what would be proportional to their percentage of the population. Today, happening today. Not in the past:

Everyone knows that due to past abuses many black drivers develop anxiety when they see a cop in the rear view mirror. It is racism PTSD.

Can you not see that this doesn’t even begin to address the situation? That it totally ignores the current situation facing black drivers in many areas, and in fact could be construed as pointing a finger back at the black drivers?

It’s extremely difficult to have a conversation when actual facts cannot even be acknowledged by one of the parties. Impossible, actually.

 

[Paul]

Or you could google 'selection bias' and 'cherry-picking' and stop wasting everyone's time.

Another vituperative post! Mr. F are you able to sustain a dialogue or conversation?

 

[MT15]

Hate crime hoaxes, like Jussie Smollett's alleged attack, are more common than you think

In writing a book about hate crime hoaxes, I found more than 400. Such frauds damage good race relations.

www.usatoday.com

fakehatecrimes.org

This is a project to create a database of hate crime hoaxes in the USA. It builds on the work of Laird Wilcox, 'Crying Wolf'

fakehatecrimes.org

'Accidental Racist' Feels Like a Symptom of Munchausen Syndrome

I'm not going to waste any time critiquing the lyrics of "Accidental Racist", the controversial new song performed by singers Brad Paisley and LL Cool J.

bernardgoldberg.com

The question that begs an answer is why would someone stage a fake hate crime.

Everyone knows that due to past abuses many black drivers develop anxiety when they see a cop in the rear view mirror. It is racism PTSD. This is so bad that many blacks rather live in places like Japan. This is paradoxical as Japan is one of the most ethno-centric xenophobic nations in the world. However, American blacks and Japanese have no prior history. For some reason American blacks prefer Japan. What they say is that Japanese racism is related to ignorance and not related to evil and malice.

So I only have read your first linked article. It’s an opinion piece actually, but the author does seem to have cataloged around 400 instances of faked hate crimes. This appears to be over a 4-5 year period by his own words. He also quotes the FBI as having 7000 reported hate crimes in 2017. So just using these figures, giving the benefit of the doubt and using 4 years, that’s approximately 1.5% of reported hate crimes are fakes.

As for the reasons, your author gives some of them, in his opinion. Sometimes it’s a bid for attention, sometimes it’s a misguided attempt to call attention to a perceived problem that isn’t getting enough attention in the opinion of the faker. Sometimes it would probably indicate some mental health issues in my own opinion. I just don’t think 1.5% is all that significant.

 

[RobF]

Another vituperative post!

It was another accurate post.

Mr. F are you able to sustain a dialogue or conversation?

Typically, yes.

With you, no. They tend to die when you simply ignore the points you don't like.

Like here, where you've avoided engaging with, or even acknowledging, the observation that your post is inherently flawed due to selection bias and cherry-picking, choosing instead to misrepresent the post as purely 'vituperative' and to cast aspersions about the poster.

But as the problem is on your end, there's little I can do about that.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Go to You Tube and google American blacks in Japan.

"I feel like Japanese people, they expect more of us, they're rooting for us," says one interviewee, a woman named Brittany. "Where I feel like in the (United) States, they have lower expectations." David, a musician, cites job opportunities: "Being a minority in Japan, I'm special. I get to do more things that I probably would have wanted to do in America, but the saturation of the particular minority (African-Americans) makes me invisible."

What's it like to be black in Japan?

A film about the experiences of black people in Japan has been watched 200,000 times.

www.bbc.com

The blacks in Japan like the idea that there is no condescending racism of low expectation. Because there is no prior negative history between Japanese and black people this clears the air and there is no animosity. The American blacks seem to accept the ethno-centricity and xenophobia of Japanese with no issues.

Anecdotes are not evidence, or so I've heard...