All things Racist...USA edition (8 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[brandon]

Probably, but give it some time. He hasn't even been on the site since Saturday morning.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." - Maya Angelou

 

[coldseat]

Would you like to post the stats for violent crimes committed by race? Take into account of that 100% of that 13% are not criminals at all but good people, then maybe 5%, 2%, 1% (?) of the 13% are engaged in criminal activity. That is a lot of crime for an extremely small sample size. Probably related to the progressive social ideas to 'help' the black community.

Also, something to think about on a completely unrelated note, do we think the black population would still be 13% of the population if abortions in the black community were not so easily available and fought for? I know, totally different discuss for a completely different topic. I just find it strange that white liberals supposedly 'care about' the black community but also apparently want to make sure they remain a minority group. Something I have been thinking about. I know it will be received with an open mind. LOL










Well, by the responses, I would say this absolutely has everything to do with racism. @samiam5211 are we talking equality or equity?

Universal Health Care would greatly reduce the numbers of abortions (in all communities, but especially the black community) and save a lot more black people by providing basic and preventative health care and reproductive and pregnancy care than simply outlawing abortions or overturning Row v. Wade would ever do. It also won't exclude white men from having universal health care (as you're very concerned about that issue). Since you clearly care about the black community and abortions, can we count on your support for that? Or is that to much socialism for you?

 

[Farb]

Do you believe that the two are significantly different?

Do you think that equality would not result in equity? Do you believe that non white people just aren't as good as white people?

What do you believe causes racial disparity in outcomes?

Making good personal decisions would change the outcomes. Would they not?

Just a note also: if you want to propose a question to me, leave out the 'Do you believe that non-white people just aren't as good as white people?' stupidness. I thought you might be better than that, but I guess we will both be disappointed today.

 

[Farb]

The first picture shows a father is really, really self absorbed and generally be an awful parent. The 2nd shows a good father.

That actually helps prove my point. Thanks.

 

[Farb]

@samiam5211 -

Since he isn’t going to articulate a response to your thought and discussion provoking question, allow me to retort on he/his behalf-

Actually there is a sizable difference between equality and equity.

Equality is providing everyone the same resources, services, etc.

Equity is providing services and resources proportionate to need.

An illustration of this is two people (1 over 6’ tall and 1 under 5’5”) attempting to pick apples from a tall tree. Neither can reach the apples without a ladder.

Equality would be supplying both with a 4’ step ladder. This step ladder is the same for everyone. However, only the tall person benefits from this situation really, as the shorter person is still too short to reach any apples.

Equity would be supplying a 4’ ladder to the tall person and a 6’ ladder to the shorter person. Benefit based on need. Despite the inequality in services provided, both are able to benefit equally from the arrangement. This should be the goal of society, IMO.

Sadly, we are not close to reaching equality in America. Equity, the true goal, isn’t even a conceptual at this point.

Thanks but after reading this, I think I can handle my own responses from here on out. I appreciate the effort but this is awful so I will be better off on my own. Good hustle though.

Why is the short guy picking apples? Would it not make more sense for him to pick something that grows on bushes? The tall guy would have to bend down more than the short guy. Maybe pick a job that you are suited for and your skills set will provide the best outcome? Personal accountability.

 

[Farb]

Abortion and Women of Color: The Bigger Picture

This much is true: In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women. Antiabortion activists, including some African-American pastors, have been waging a campaign around this fact, falsely asserting that the disparity is the result of aggressive...

www.guttmacher.org

If you can also have an open mind, read all of this that I linked. I'll just hit on a tiny fraction of it.

It is startling that black women are 5 times more likely to have an abortion than a white woman. And hispanic women are about 2 times as likely.

why this disparity? Well, it usually comes down to unintended pregnancy, in what I linked, those rates are also disproportionate for hispanics and blacks. Is it because black women and hispanics are 'looser' than white women? Meh... It's mostly due to either a lack of access to contraceptives, an inability to afford them, or not having access to better contraceptives, so they use the ones that are less reliable in 'normal use'. Access to health care is a factor as well.

Interesting fact, 17% of women who in their first year of using condoms (for their male partners) had an unintended pregnancy. Well higher than the 'perfect use' of 2%.

To me, it's similar to the crime stats, while White still commit the most violent crimes in the USA, blacks are at about half of that value, despite being 13% of the general population. It's all about a lack of economic opportunity in most minority communities, there aren't a lot of big money investors pouring in money for projects around the projects. A lack of economic opportunity breeds a local 'economy' that uses what they have or can get access too. Drug dealers aren't stupid. It's a way to make quick money. If they were hoarding Toilet Paper before it was cool a year ago, they'd have been selling that. It's why people sell loose cigarettes when a pack is over taxed. There is a need, there is always someone willing to deal to help you fill that need. That's true for all business.

You can't pull yourself up from your own bootstraps if your schools are underfunded due to low local property tax rates, there aren't enough decent jobs in the area, or you can't even get to college (and the deck will be stacked against you, because the school is run down), and just like parents who suck at math, or at least think they do, they teach their kids to suck at math or think it's hard and they don't need it. Well, when your whole school sucks, and it sucked for your parent or parents, then you're probably not going to see the point either.

We are all creatures of our nature and our nuture.

If there was real capital investment in these communities, you'd see a change. it will take a while, but you'd see major changes.

BTW, that's systemic racism. It's from older wrongs, that have left long term damage.

Yeah, I wasn't online this weekend at all and it was fantastic!
I generally agree with your over all here but the devil is in the details and I want to come back to this, but I felt I had to type something before others begin to formulate illogical answers and atribute them to me again. Is that not frowned up? LOL. I know it only goes one way.

Let me reply on this when I have more time because I think it is a good point and worthy of a good response (well, at the very least a well typed reply since no one here finds my posts 'good'. I find them unreadable a lot of time in all honesty!).

 

[brandon]

Making good personal decisions would change the outcomes. Would they not?

Just a note also: if you want to propose a question to me, leave out the 'Do you believe that non-white people just aren't as good as white people?' stupidness. I thought you might be better than that, but I guess we will both be disappointed today.

Instead of deflecting, why not unequivocally answer the question?

Thanks but after reading this, I think I can handle my own responses from here on out. I appreciate the effort but this is awful so I will be better off on my own. Good hustle though.

Why is the short guy picking apples? Would it not make more sense for him to pick something that grows on bushes? The tall guy would have to bend down more than the short guy. Maybe pick a job that you are suited for and your skills set will provide the best outcome? Personal accountability.

Do you believe black people are the “short guy” in this analogy?

 

[CoolBrees]

@Farb

Your list of things you are going to get back to is longer than my total post count.

it isn’t surprising you focuses on the analogy not the point.

@DaveXA -

I miscommunicated-

I mean that we are working on equality but equity isn’t even in the conceptual.

we can even get the small minded to understand what a metaphor is, let alone complex topics like empathy or societal membership.

 

[Farb]

@Farb

Your list of things you are going to get back to is longer than my total post count.

it isn’t surprising you focuses on the analogy not the point.

@DaveXA -

I miscommunicated-

I mean that we are working on equality but equity isn’t even in the conceptual.

we can even get the small minded to understand what a metaphor is, let alone complex topics like empathy or societal membership.

I did focus on the point, it appears you focused on the analogy and not the point.

You seem to be absolutely terrible at answering questions for me, but feel free to knock them out for me since my turn around time is inconvenient for you.

Maybe if you all didn't run off anyone that had a difference of opinion you guys would have better and smarter people than me to discuss things. Inclusion and diversity and all that jazz.

 

[coldseat]

I did focus on the point, it appears you focused on the analogy and not the point.

You seem to be absolutely terrible at answering questions for me, but feel free to knock them out for me since my turn around time is inconvenient for you.

Maybe if you all didn't run off anyone that had a difference of opinion you guys would have better and smarter people than me to discuss things. Inclusion and diversity and all that jazz.

The thing is these discussions are never truly fruitful, very much like when race is discussed by politicians on the right. It's an exact mirror. Whenever the issue of race comes up, it seems that everything always comes back to "personal accountability" for the right. That's where all arguments end with people on the other side and it never moves beyond that.

So for people who are actually interested in discussing solutions to the racial issues we face, there is little value in trying to delve into the issue when you have to constantly explain and point out that "personal accountability" is not the root cause of the race issues we face in this country. We can't "personally account" our way out of the centuries long racial injustice this country has had, and the right in this country can never seem to bring themselves to admit this. So the only impression that one is left with, who isn't on the right, is that they really have no interest in actually solving the mired of issues surrounding race and only use it as a way galvanize opposition to doing anything through use of ingrained racial stereotypes and fears that have always existed.

 

[CoolBrees]

@Farb

I don’t think any of us have run off anyone. I know I haven’t.

Well maybe the guy that got banned for saying my mom was a Gaetz pedophile but I didn’t make he/him say that. Personal accountability and all that.

 

[insidejob]

This thread is straight up useless bullshirt. Stop wasting your time entertaining this crap.

@Farb go listen to some Propagandhi and get back to me. Start with How to Clean Everything and Less Talk, More Rock. That is, of course, if you can handle a straight edge 3 man homosexual punk band telling it like it is and was.

 

[Farb]

This thread is straight up useless bullshirt. Stop wasting your time entertaining this crap.

And yet here you are. Thanks for your input though. Very enlightening.

 

[Farb]

The thing is these discussions are never truly fruitful, very much like when race is discussed by politicians on the right. It's an exact mirror. Whenever the issue of race comes up, it seems that everything always comes back to "personal accountability" for the right. That's where all arguments end with people on the other side and it never moves beyond that.

So for people who are actually interested in discussing solutions to the racial issues we face, there is little value in trying to delve into the issue when you have to constantly explain and point out that "personal accountability" is not the root cause of the race issues we face in this country. We can't "personally account" our way out of the centuries long racial injustice this country has had, and the right in this country can never seem to bring themselves to admit this. So the only impression that one is left with, who isn't on the right, is that they really have no interest in actually solving the mired of issues surrounding race and only use it as a way galvanize opposition to doing anything through use of ingrained racial stereotypes and fears that have always existed.

If personal accountability is not the root cause and everything is caused by systemic racism and the oppressive history of this country, why are there exceptions? Maybe better personal choices on an individual level?
If you make good choices, you increase the chance your kids and your family will also make good choices because they are observing you. Your children watch how you deal with the world. That is how they learn. If you teach them or allow other to teach them that they are a victim and the world is built to hold them down, then you get what we have now. IMO.

 

[coldseat]

If personal accountability is not the root cause and everything is caused by systemic racism and the oppressive history of this country, why are there exceptions? Maybe better personal choices on an individual level?
If you make good choices, you increase the chance your kids and your family will also make good choices because they are observing you. Your children watch how you deal with the world. That is how they learn. If you teach them or allow other to teach them that they are a victim and the world is built to hold them down, then you get what we have now. IMO.

Yes. And you will continue to believe that regardless of what discussions we have, what facts are put in front of you, or whatever personal story of minorities who grew up poor and have had to deal with racism tell. Thank you for proving my point.

I'll ask you a better question. If it was all about personal accountability, why aren't the results the same across all races? Why would we be seeing exceptions and not norms?

I have a very strong belief that white people aren't any more responsible, hard working, law abiding, smarter or anything else than black, brown, Asian, Native American or any other race. Maybe I'm being naive and white people really are superior. But given my belief, it's apparent to me that it's something other than personal accountability that accounts for the difference in outcomes overall.

 

[wardorican]

Yeah, I wasn't online this weekend at all and it was fantastic!
I generally agree with your over all here but the devil is in the details and I want to come back to this, but I felt I had to type something before others begin to formulate illogical answers and atribute them to me again. Is that not frowned up? LOL. I know it only goes one way.

Let me reply on this when I have more time because I think it is a good point and worthy of a good response (well, at the very least a well typed reply since no one here finds my posts 'good'. I find them unreadable a lot of time in all honesty!).

Ok, I'll wait for your response then.

 

[wardorican]

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." - Maya Angelou

Belief doesn't require announcing to the room.

 

[brandon]

Belief doesn't require announcing to the room.

Prosecution does.