All things Racist...USA edition (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Peace]

Ok, let's take it point by point and you tell me where the CRT hurt you.

OK, before I get into this, I'm going to need you to acknowledge that you are in favor of CRT and that you would like to see it taught in all classrooms, not just in college.

I assumed we would agree on that. But you find this point disagreeable?

Which point? I'm going to need you to bring that up.

How about that one? Do you feel responsible for the racism of your ancestors? I don't.

Neither do I.

You have already shown previously that you agree systemic racism exists, and you're a member of the Party of Personal Responsibility™, so I assume you agree that you are responsible for the decisions you make, right?

Systemic racism does exist but it's pretty much in areas that are heavily influenced by democrats. Don't you find that odd given that democrats are the ones pushing CRT so hard? May I know what you are doing to help the disadvantaged climb out of the sewer and stay out?

If you agree you should take responsibility for your own decisions, then you should agree with this, right?

Again, what would I be agreeing with? I need more info.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

So you think they close locations due to voter supression and there is no other reason? Can you show me what locations were closed in Alabama?
If it is a common problem with a poorly run civil service, it sounds like it affects white people too, so maybe racism is not the main reason?

Just google it. I feel like no matter which link I post, you will say its a liberal site.. Coincidence they closed them in the higher black populated areas just as a new law is going into effect.. ok, sure, thats just coincidence....

 

[Optimus Prime]

So you think they close locations due to voter supression and there is no other reason? Can you show me what locations were closed in Alabama?
If it is a common problem with a poorly run civil service, it sounds like it affects white people too, so maybe racism is not the main reason?

are you familiar with the term "disproportionally affects"?

When in some voting locations people can be in and out in 10 minutes and other locations it takes hours to vote you don't think that it's a problem? or that it isn't intentional?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

lol ... "Systemic racism does exist." but then in the same breath you say it exists influenced by the Democrats.. its like you don't even read your own words sometimes..

 

[Peace]

It's not singling out. It's just pointing out when it happens. It just so happens that white conservatives tend to be the most frequent offenders.

You're going to need to come up with something stronger than just your opinion.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You're going to need to come up with something stronger than just your opinion.

But not for massive voter fraud. My belief is good enough for that

Where I stand is that I believe the election was stolen, but I recognize there isn't any proof to substantiate that belief, so I've decided to stop initiating arguments and look forward to 2024.

I'll name several where we believe mail fraud could have taken place, and that is key areas in battleground states.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

are you familiar with the term "disproportionally affects"?

When in some voting locations people can be in and out in 10 minutes and other locations it takes hours to vote you don't think that it's a problem? or that it isn't intentional?

I live in Ascension Parish. There are about 10 polling locatons within a few miles of each other. Many right across the street from each other. It takes me under 10 minutes to vote at my location. I have worked the polls at 3 different one, all the same, mere minutes for people to vote.
When i lived in Baton Rouge, my polling location was 15 minutes away and it would never take less than an hour to vote ...

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

You're going to need to come up with something stronger than just your opinion.

kind of like your opinion on massive voting fraud by the post office workers?

 

[brandon]

OK, before I get into this, I'm going to need you to acknowledge that you are in favor of CRT and that you would like to see it taught in all classrooms, not just in college.

Why would I acknowledge that? I don't believe that.

Perhaps we disagree on the definition of CRT. Can you define what it is you believe CRT to be? Then I can better answer this question.

Which point? I'm going to need you to bring that up.

It's quoted in the post I linked to, but here it is again: "I'm white, and knowing my white ancestors owned slaves and were probably on the wrong side of the civil rights era doesn't make me feel bad. I am not my ancestors, and I am not responsible for their actions."

Neither do I.

Great! So we do agree on something in my post, which then negates your position that "all of it" was disagreeable.

Systemic racism does exist but it's pretty much in areas that are heavily influenced by democrats. Don't you find that odd given that democrats are the ones pushing CRT so hard? May I know what you are doing to help the disadvantaged climb out of the sewer and stay out?

The question I asked was: "I assume you agree that you are responsible for the decisions you make, right?"

You do agree with that statement, right?

Not to get sidetracked, but I do a LOT to help the poor and disadvantaged, actually. I am a district administrator for a Title I district where 100% of students are on free lunch. I work daily to help educate students and build support structures for their parents. I engage community, industry, and business leaders to ensure future job opportunities for our students post-graduation.

In my personal life, I give freely to my church (one that I know invests heavily in the community), and I give anonymously to underserved students all the time. I will anonymously be buying Thanksgiving meals for multiple families this year. I will anonymously buy Christmas presents and meals for multiple families, as well. I frequently work at a local soup kitchen, as my grandfather and father did before me.

I also support politicians who believe that the disadvantaged are just that - they don't have the same advantages (you know, privilege) that others may have and need help to level the playing field.

I am blessed, and I do as much as I can to help those less fortunate. What are you doing?

Again, what would I be agreeing with? I need more info.

Again, this was quoted in the post I linked to, but here it is: "If I make decisions that continue to support systemic racism, I should feel bad knowing that I am continuing the oppression of minorities in my country, because I'm doing a bad thing (not my ancestors). Further, if I make decisions that don't actively work to destroy systemic racism, I should feel bad for the same reason."

 

[Peace]

Why would I acknowledge that? I don't believe that.

I didn't ask whether you believe it. I asked that you acknowledge your support of CRT AND I asked if you think CRT should be taught in grammar schools and prep schools.

See, you want me to respect your questions, but you're not respecting mine. Now we have to stop right here until you give me a straight answer.

 

[brandon]

I didn't ask whether you believe it. I asked that you acknowledge your support of CRT AND I asked if you think CRT should be taught in grammar schools and prep schools.

See, you want me to respect your questions, but you're not respecting mine. Now we have to stop right here until you give me a straight answer.

My goal was not in any way to dodge your question in any way shape or form. What I trying to say, perhaps not clearly, is that I do not believe CRT "should be taught in all classrooms, not just college," which is what you actually asked. What you are asking now about whether I think CRT should be taught in grammar schools and prep schools is a more nuanced conversation.

Let me try to explain the nuance very clearly. And you still owe me answers to my questions, by the way.

First, I don't think we agree on what CRT is. The right's perception of CRT and what CRT actually is diverge quite a bit. I would like you to give me your definition of what you believe CRT to be. It's quite possible that I fully agree with your stance based on your interpretation of CRT.

For example, if you said "I believe CRT means that students should learn about slavery by making all the white students slaves to the black students for a week, and the white student should feel really bad about themeselves when it's over" I would absolutely agree with you that that's a terrible way to teach a lesson. That's not CRT, and that's not something I would support.

On the other hand, if you said "I believe CRT is a cross-disciplinary examination, by social and civil-rights scholars and activists, of how laws, social and political movements, and media shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity" (which is the actual definition), then I would want to get into a discussion with you about the application of those concepts, but I would largely agree that this is something that can and should be taught at the college level. I also believe there are age-appropriate concepts contained within that framework that could reasonably be discussed at the high school level, and perhaps younger if thoroughly researched and presented in a historically-accurate, yet nuanced and, again, age-appropriate manner.

Answering your original question of should CRT be taught in every classroom, I think the answer is no. There are classrooms where CRT is probably not applicable or at least very minimally applicable (math, science). On the other hand, there are concepts related to CRT that would be applicable in English/grammar classes, civics classes, economics classes, history classes, social studies classes, and probably more. Those concepts should not make up the majority of the classroom discussion, but to ignore them for the entire school year would also be a disservice, especially at the high school level.

Because racism has been pervasive in our society for years, it unfortunately permeates through multiple school subjects.

I hope I have given your question the thoughtful response it requires. I'm still waiting on your answer to my questions.

 

[Peace]

Answering your original question of should CRT be taught in every classroom, I think the answer is no. There are classrooms where CRT is probably not applicable or at least very minimally applicable (math, science). On the other hand, there are concepts related to CRT that would be applicable in English/grammar classes, civics classes, economics classes, history classes, social studies classes, and probably more. Those concepts should not make up the majority of the classroom discussion, but to ignore them for the entire school year would also be a disservice, especially at the high school level.

Because racism has been pervasive in our society for years, it unfortunately permeates through multiple school subjects.

I hope I have given your question the thoughtful response it requires. I'm still waiting on your answer to my questions.

We'll get to your other questions when we resolve this, as obviously I haven't been succinct enough for you.

Do you think CRT should be taught in America's public schools? That means grades K-12. Yes, or no?

 

[Optimus Prime]

We'll get to your other questions when we resolve this, as obviously I haven't been succinct enough for you.

Do you think CRT should be taught in America's public schools? That means grades K-12. Yes, or no?

Answering your original question of should CRT be taught in every classroom, I think the answer is no. There are classrooms where CRT is probably not applicable or at least very minimally applicable (math, science). On the other hand, there are concepts related to CRT that would be applicable in English/grammar classes, civics classes, economics classes, history classes, social studies classes, and probably more. Those concepts should not make up the majority of the classroom discussion, but to ignore them for the entire school year would also be a disservice, especially at the high school level.

 

[brandon]

Do you think CRT should be taught in America's public schools? That means grades K-12. Yes, or no?

I have given this question a very thorough and clear response. In order to go any further, you will have to provide your definition of CRT.

 

[Peace]

I have given this question a very thorough and clear response. In order to go any further, you will have to provide your definition of CRT.

 

[Peace]

I have given this question a very thorough and clear response. In order to go any further, you will have to provide your definition of CRT.

CRT as described in Wikipedia.

Yes, it's extensive, but feel free to pull the parts you think would be appropriate for America's schools (grades K-12).

 

[brandon]

CRT as described in Wikipedia.

Yes, it's extensive, but feel free to pull the parts you think would be appropriate for America's schools (grades K-12).

Will do. Give me some time and I'll report back.

 

[brandon]

CRT as described in Wikipedia.

Yes, it's extensive, but feel free to pull the parts you think would be appropriate for America's schools (grades K-12).

Ok, here's some excerpts from Wikipedia that I think could be converted into age-appropriate lessons in various subjects.

First, I think it's important to point this out:

The word critical in the name is an academic reference to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people.[1][2]

Now, onto the list. I think this could be an appropriate high-level discussion for a high-school history class:

the CRT conceptual framework examines racial bias in laws and legal institutions, such as highly disparate rates of incarceration among racial groups in the United States.[5]

This could definitely be a discussion in a biology or anatomy class, as well as a sociology or social studies class:

Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct with no biological basis.[7][8]

Another definitely applicable sociology discussion:

One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals.[8][9][10]

This would be a fantastic discussion in high school civics/American government classes:

the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order,[14] where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.[15]

On the whole, I think it would be hard to have these sorts of high level discussions at an age much lower than high school, but as someone who taught high schoolers for 14 years, I absolutely can see where lessons regarding these topics could be crafted in an age-appropriate manner that encourages critical thinking.

Importantly, I don't think any of these discussions conclude with a definite right or wrong answer. I think there is plenty of room within this framework for reasonable people to disagree. However, I don't think the topics I listed are in any way inappropriate topics of guided, thoughtful discussion for high school students.

So let me be clear. Yes, I think parts of CRT, as described in Wikipedia, could and should be taught at the high school level.