All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[MT15]

A whole lot whiter. There are those pesky words again, lol.

 

[coldseat]

So this was not you?

Would it be racist if I said "there are many reasons that I could give as to why education becoming a whole lot blacker and browner would be bad, but why bother"?

I gave you the reason (which I knew you would ignore) why I said that here:

Having a diverse student body helps and prepares students work better in a diverse society. It's essential to learning how to function, cope and succeed in a diverse country and world. It's not just about the individual student but about the health and vitality of a college campus.

You can think my beliefs/ideas are racist if you want.

If you believe that's racist, then so be it.

What's the reason you would say the education becoming a whole lot blacker and browner would be bad?

 

[Port City JJ]

MY GOD IS SOMEONE OPPRESSING THE WHITE PEOPLE!?!

 

[Port City JJ]

QUICK TO YOUR EMAILS!!

 

[samiam5211]

MY GOD IS SOMEONE OPPRESSING THE WHITE PEOPLE!?!

When all you know is privilege, equality feels like oppression.

 

[Farb]

I gave you the reason (which I knew you would ignore) why I said that here:



If you believe that's racist, then so be it.

What's the reason you would say the education becoming a whole lot blacker and browner would be bad?

I didn't ignore it, I replied that I didn't agree with your reason. That whole 'diversity is our strength' is rubbish. Diversity in itself is a good thing but to use it as a club to fit a square peg in a round hole is failure.

I do.

To show how categorizing all people by skin color is the very definition of racism.

 

[coldseat]

I didn't ignore it, I replied that I didn't agree with your reason. That whole 'diversity is our strength' is rubbish. Diversity in itself is a good thing but to use it as a club to fit a square peg in a round hole is failure.

I do.

To show how categorizing all people by skin color is the very definition of racism.

I didn't categorize "all" people by skin color, I merely said it wasn't wrong to consider that as part of the application process (when considering the racial/minority makeup of the student body). But to act like our skin color isn't playing an active roll in the outcomes we see in society, and act like considering that is somehow racist is the epitome of somebody who has never had to deal with it. I can say it another way, but I know you hate the "P" word, lol. We do not live in a race neutral society.

And you can keep calling my opinions racist. I don't give any credence to right wing definition of racism.

 

[SystemShock]

Race should be a factor to a certain extent, which is what the admissions office seem to be doing, so I'm not concerned about them. There are many reasons that I could give as to why education becoming a whole lot whiter would be bad, but why bother. It's not like you would accept any of them. Plus, I already suspect that you know why it would be worse from my perspective, but those are the same reasons it would be better from yours.

Can you elaborate as to what do you mean by "education becoming a lot whole whiter" ? Maybe list some of those reasons?

 

[Farb]

I didn't categorize "all" people by skin color, I merely said it wasn't wrong to consider that as part of the application process (when considering the racial/minority makeup of the student body). But to act like our skin color isn't playing an active roll in the outcomes we see in society, and act like considering that is somehow racist is the epitome of somebody who has never had to deal with it. I can say it another way, but I know you hate the "P" word, lol. We do not live in a race neutral society.

And you can keep calling my opinions racist. I don't give any credence to right wing definition of racism.

I am right there with you my friend. (obviously replace right with left).

 

[Port City JJ]

Can you elaborate as to what do you mean by "education becoming a lot whole whiter" ? Maybe list some of those reasons?

He means that in the absence of the mechanisms put in place to counteract the institutional racism of American Society (in this case the mechanism is affirmative action) that through attrition the demographics will shift and there will be more white people and fewer minorities hired as college professors, or leaders in education, or other places in education.

Which in turn makes these campus' student bodies less diverse as well, as minorities will find them less welcoming and friendly.

and if you don't get why that's a bad thing here is a weeks worth of rabbit holes

 

[coldseat]

Can you elaborate as to what do you mean by "education becoming a lot whole whiter" ? Maybe list some of those reasons?

I kind of elaborate on it here:

By undoubtedly locking out more black and brown students from higher educations. Asian percentages may rise slightly, but overall higher education will be a lot whiter. Just follows the numbers after the SC overturns race considerations in admissions I will take a couple of years to see, but the gaps in education, achievement and economic success will grow even lager between the haves and have nots.

It's mostly what I believe will happen at these Ivy league schools (and in higher education overall) when SOCTUS overturns the precedent in this case. It's not a percentage thing or anything like that. And I'm sure if I bothered to look, there are probably many universities around the country with 90%+ white student population already that are fine institutions. So it's not really some all encompassing statement either. But in general, when race neutral or race blind policies are followed, it generally has the effect of hurting and disadvantaging minorities even more.

For a number of reason, we know that black and brown students (overall) don't have the same achievement and extra circulars as their white counterparts. It stands to reason that when the SC overturns this precedent and makes it illegal to consider race in the admissions process, the effect will be to decrease the percentages overall of minorities at these Ivy league schools in particular and most likely at other competitive schools as well. That will have a very negative long term effect on black and brown communities in this country. I also believe it will hurt those schools and the students at those schools by having less diversity, voices, perspectives and lived experiences.

 

[SystemShock]

I kind of elaborate on it here:


It's mostly what I believe will happen at these Ivy league schools (and in higher education overall) when SOCTUS overturns the precedent in this case. It's not a percentage thing or anything like that. And I'm sure if I bothered to look, there are probably many universities around the country with 90%+ white student population already that are fine institutions. So it's not really some all encompassing statement either. But in general, when race neutral or race blind policies are followed, it generally has the effect of hurting and disadvantaging minorities even more.

For a number of reason, we know that black and brown students (overall) don't have the same achievement and extra circulars as their white counterparts. It stands to reason that when the SC overturns this precedent and makes it illegal to consider race in the admissions process, the effect will be to decrease the percentages overall of minorities at these Ivy league schools in particular and most likely at other competitive schools as well. That will have a very negative long term effect on black and brown communities in this country. I also believe it will hurt those schools and the students at those schools by having less diversity, voices, perspectives and lived experiences.

So by "education getting whiter" you mean a higher percentage of white students.

I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too. There have to be more considerations beyond "black" and "brown". So maybe "worked 2 part time jobs to help support my household" should have as much weight as "president of the chess club".

 

[coldseat]

So by "education getting whiter" you mean a higher percentage of white students.

I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too. There have to be more considerations beyond "black" and "brown". So maybe "worked 2 part time jobs to help support my household" should have as much weight as "president of the chess club".

Yes, that's what I meant. It's just the logical outcome.

I think they are considering more than just skin color. It's just one of the factors. I'm not opposed to other considerations as well, I just don't think race neutral or race blind process really work well. More often than not, they just entrench or widen already present disparities in access and outcomes. If we want to move towards a more just society/country those things need to be considered in policy.

 

[MT15]

Skin color was taken into account for hundreds of years, just in the opposite direction.

 

[MT15]

Really bad take, explained. I feel pretty sure this person (don't know anything about him) would be appalled at the idea he is expressing a bigoted opinion. But there it is, the implicit assumption that any woman of color would be inferior to his preferred choice. Now that I think about it, it could be misogyny or prejudice, take your pick.

 

[Farb]

Really bad take, explained. I feel pretty sure this person (don't know anything about him) would be appalled at the idea he is expressing a bigoted opinion. But there it is, the implicit assumption that any woman of color would be inferior to his preferred choice. Now that I think about it, it could be misogyny or prejudice, take your pick.

Well, to be fair, we all see how his selection of VP based only on race and sex worked out. Why make the same mistake again? Can they just pick the best person for the job?

 

[bird]

Well, to be fair, we all see how his selection of VP based only on race and sex worked out. Why make the same mistake again? Can they just pick the best person for the job

Well, to be fair, we all see how his selection of VP based only on race and sex worked out. Why make the same mistake again? Can they just pick the best person for the job?

Like Donnie Dimwit did?

 

[coldseat]

Well, to be fair, we all see how his selection of VP based only on race and sex worked out. Why make the same mistake again? Can they just pick the best person for the job?

How do you know he won't be doing that?

Also, "the best person for the job" varies widely based on what you believe. There is no consensus "best person for the job".