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    I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?
     
    You know what? Your lies don’t fool anyone. Nobody told you that you would die if you didn’t get vaccinated.

    At one time, there may have been a whisper of a point when people would say that Trump opponents were overreacting. But no longer. We have seen what he did. We know what he has done and he tells us what he wants to do. He has stolen highly classified documents and lied about having them. Told his lackeys to move them around in a vain attempt to conceal them from the FBI in his beach club.

    But worse than that were his lies about a “stolen” election, which led directly to an attack on our Capitol where thugs and criminals beat police officers, smeared feces on the Capitol, and just defiled it in every way. He approved of a plan to try to steal the election, an auto-coup, by authorizing fake sets of electors and trying to bully Pence into accepting them. He did nothing for hours as he watched the attack, only intervening when it was clear that the Capitol police were clearing the building. The only president in our history to so openly fail to keep the oath of office he took and to openly defy the peaceful transfer of power that has been the jewel of our democracy.

    So the people you deride as having TDS were correct in their assessment of Trump. And you and your ilk, who support him or say he is a normal person, look like fools. And remain so foolish, so oblivious, that you don’t even recognize how wrong you were.
    You really don't pay much attention on here do you? Or maybe it is a memory thing, or maybe your don't process information that you don't like. I don't know or really care, but everything you typed was incorrect and just regurgitated your parties talking points. Not surprising or unexpected but the fact you managed to cram most of them in one post in impressive. Good job, they must be proud of you.
     
    You really don't pay much attention on here do you? Or maybe it is a memory thing, or maybe your don't process information that you don't like. I don't know or really care, but everything you typed was incorrect and just regurgitated your parties talking points. Not surprising or unexpected but the fact you managed to cram most of them in one post in impressive. Good job, they must be proud of you.
    Nothing I typed was incorrect. You are in serious denial of the facts.
     
    These people just have zero idea what they are talking about. Idiots.

     
    Yeah. I can buy that. I would also say this included most of our politicians. Remember, these are all the theatre kids from high school and college. They all seek attention.
    The only exception would be the ones that are actually called to public service and there are not a lot of them at all. Maybe 3 on both sides.
    both sides!
     
    America’s health leaders worry that declining vaccination rates can lead to the return of deadly diseases and thousands of avoidable deaths.

    Robert Califf, M.D., commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Peter Marks, M.D., who oversees vaccine regulation at the agency, wrote in JAMA last week that they were concerned about falling vaccination rates.

    “The situation has now deteriorated to the point that population immunity against some vaccine-preventable infectious diseases is at risk,” they wrote. “Thousands of excess deaths are likely to occur this season due to illnesses amenable to prevention or reduction in severity of illness with vaccines.”

    They point to measles as the prime example of a once-handled virus making a sudden return. In the U.S., cases of the highly contagious virus have sporadically emerged around the country in the years since the COVID-19 pandemic. Just last week, Philadelphia officials warned that at least four people were infected in a measles cluster linked to the city’s iconic Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP).

    “Regrettably, pediatric vaccine hesitancy now has been responsible for several measles outbreaks in the U.S.,” Dr. Califf and Dr. Marks continue.

    It’s not just the U.S., however. The World Health Organization reported a 40% jump in measles deaths globally in 2022, and a 30% increase in European cases.

    The pandemic led to a wave of vaccine hesitancy, with many casting doubts on the new class of shots meant to fight the pandemic — an in-turn to vaccines as a whole. Many U.S. states also loosened vaccine exemptions for children, allowing more children to attend school without receiving shots to prevent measles and other infections.

    Some states, such as Mississippi, have recorded drastic falls in vaccine uptake since the loosening of these mandates.

    The pair of FDA officials point to “parents with at least a college degree who preferred social media narratives over evidence-based vaccine information delivered by clinicians” as being at fault for falling vaccination rates................

     
    Yeah. I can buy that. I would also say this included most of our politicians. Remember, these are all the theatre kids from high school and college.
    Right, because we all know Trump was a theater kid.

    You have a very warped and unhinged-from-reality world view.

    High school and college athletes, MBA's and MD's are some of the biggest narcissists in the world. Most of our elected representatives come from those disciplines, not theater. Politicians, especially Trump devotees, are the new rock stars when it comes to attention and adoration seeking (narcissism) ego and entitlement.
     
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    Right, because we all know Trump was a theater kid.

    You have a very warped and unhinged-from-reality world view.

    High school and college athletes, MBA's and MD's are some of the biggest narcissists in the world. Most of our elected representatives come from those disciplines, not theater. Politicians, especially Trump devotees, are the new rock stars when it comes to attention and adoration seeking (narcissism) ego and entitlement.
    Ok.
    Yeah, I have the warped sense of reality?

    Can a man have a baby? Honest question, I don't know your position on this.
     
    Ok.
    Yeah, I have the warped sense of reality?
    Yes, I think you do, if you think that most narcissists and American politicians were the kids that were in theater in high school and college

    Can a man have a baby?
    Can you stick to discussing what you said?

    Honest question, I don't know your position on this.
    Honest answer, it's irrelevant to your erroneous claim that most narcissists and American politicians were the kids that were in theater in high school and college.

    You have a pattern of retreating from claims and statements you make if they are met with any challenge. What's up with that? Do you not believe the things you say or do you just rattle things off with your keyboard without giving it any thought?
     
    This is so crazy. Just completely bonkers.


    I think this is an area that foreign actors exploit with disinformation. I don't think all of the disinformation comes from foreign actors, but I definitely think they throw fuel on the fire.

    Getting a nation's citizens to stop vaccinating is a great way to create disruption across several sectors of that nation.
     
    This is the result of anti-vaxxers. This is what RFK, Jr wants for America. Bolding is mine. One unvaccinated child returned from an overseas area where measles is not eliminated, and was hospitalized. It spread to 3-4 more people, one of these returned to daycare while sick in violation of quarantine protocols. Six of the eight people infected in this outbreak have been hospitalized.


    “Before the measles vaccines was available, 400 to 500 people died of the virus each year in the United States. In 2000, after three decades of vaccination efforts, the U.S. met the World Health Organization’s definition of having eliminated measles.

    Without measles, some people seemingly forgot that the virus can make children incredibly sick, Offit said.

    “We suffer the loss of memory of what measles can do,” he said.

    A measles infection can lead to respiratory failure, inflammation of the brain, and death. The virus can also, in rare cases, cause a yearslong decline of the brain that results in death.

    Of every 1,000 children who are infected with measles, between one and three will die, according to the Department of Health.

    How contagious is measles?​


    By some measures, measles is seven times more contagious than COVID-19.

    “You don’t have to have direct contact with someone with measles to get measles,” Offit said. “You just have to be in their airspace within two hours of them being there.”

    This is why people who are exposed to measles and are not immune should follow the quarantine guidelines.”
     
    This is the result of anti-vaxxers. This is what RFK, Jr wants for America. Bolding is mine. One unvaccinated child returned from an overseas area where measles is not eliminated, and was hospitalized. It spread to 3-4 more people, one of these returned to daycare while sick in violation of quarantine protocols. Six of the eight people infected in this outbreak have been hospitalized.


    “Before the measles vaccines was available, 400 to 500 people died of the virus each year in the United States. In 2000, after three decades of vaccination efforts, the U.S. met the World Health Organization’s definition of having eliminated measles.

    Without measles, some people seemingly forgot that the virus can make children incredibly sick, Offit said.

    “We suffer the loss of memory of what measles can do,” he said.

    A measles infection can lead to respiratory failure, inflammation of the brain, and death. The virus can also, in rare cases, cause a yearslong decline of the brain that results in death.

    Of every 1,000 children who are infected with measles, between one and three will die, according to the Department of Health.

    How contagious is measles?​


    By some measures, measles is seven times more contagious than COVID-19.

    “You don’t have to have direct contact with someone with measles to get measles,” Offit said. “You just have to be in their airspace within two hours of them being there.”

    This is why people who are exposed to measles and are not immune should follow the quarantine guidelines.”
    My oldest sister almost died from measles in 1961. I was born in 1962,and received one of the first available
    vaccines in 1963. Measles ain't no joke. RFK Jr. is the leader of the most dangerous cult in America Imo.
     
    My oldest sister almost died from measles in 1961. I was born in 1962,and received one of the first available
    vaccines in 1963. Measles ain't no joke. RFK Jr. is the leader of the most dangerous cult in America Imo.
    Definitely. And I'd add that measles isn't necessarily nothing even for people who are vaccinated. It's unlikely, but it's still possible to get it (CDC says about "about three out of 100—who get two doses of measles vaccine will still get measles if exposed to the virus" (source)).

    This will typically be milder, but - and I'm unfortunately speaking from personal experience here - it can still have consequences. I was vaccinated, but had a very mild case in my late teens. Basically just had a bit of a temperature, couldn't concentrate, felt pretty bad, for an afternoon, but no rash or anything, so I had no idea it was measles. But then I was just exhausted, for days, so went to get things checked out. Blood tests showed the measles infection, and then I just didn't recover in terms of energy. For years. Post viral fatigue syndrome. It wasn't great.

    This is another reason why it's important to get vaccinated. If enough people are vaccinated, it effectively can't spread, so it's highly unlikely anyone gets exposed to it in the first place. Which protects everyone, both those who can't get vaccinated because of health conditions or being too young, and those few who are vaccinated but are unfortunate enough to still get it if exposed.

    But you'd think the basic fact that, as the CDC says, before "the measles vaccination program started in 1963, an estimated 3 to 4 million people got measles each year in the United States, of which 500,000 were reported. Among reported cases, 400 to 500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 developed encephalitis (brain swelling) from measles," would be enough to stop any anti-vax nonsense in its tracks without people having to think about collective responsibility. And yet, apparently not.
     
    Definitely. And I'd add that measles isn't necessarily nothing even for people who are vaccinated. It's unlikely, but it's still possible to get it (CDC says about "about three out of 100—who get two doses of measles vaccine will still get measles if exposed to the virus" (source)).

    This will typically be milder, but - and I'm unfortunately speaking from personal experience here - it can still have consequences. I was vaccinated, but had a very mild case in my late teens. Basically just had a bit of a temperature, couldn't concentrate, felt pretty bad, for an afternoon, but no rash or anything, so I had no idea it was measles. But then I was just exhausted, for days, so went to get things checked out. Blood tests showed the measles infection, and then I just didn't recover in terms of energy. For years. Post viral fatigue syndrome. It wasn't great.

    This is another reason why it's important to get vaccinated. If enough people are vaccinated, it effectively can't spread, so it's highly unlikely anyone gets exposed to it in the first place. Which protects everyone, both those who can't get vaccinated because of health conditions or being too young, and those few who are vaccinated but are unfortunate enough to still get it if exposed.

    But you'd think the basic fact that, as the CDC says, before "the measles vaccination program started in 1963, an estimated 3 to 4 million people got measles each year in the United States, of which 500,000 were reported. Among reported cases, 400 to 500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 developed encephalitis (brain swelling) from measles," would be enough to stop any anti-vax nonsense in its tracks without people having to think about collective responsibility. And yet, apparently not.
    My sister still has lingering effects. She breaks out in welts when exposed to cold weather. The specialists she saw when she was
    a child said it was likely caused by measles. It's similar to Covid. You will probably survive,but may suffer with the after effects
    for the rest of your life.
     
    Yes, I think you do, if you think that most narcissists and American politicians were the kids that were in theater in high school and college


    Can you stick to discussing what you said?


    Honest answer, it's irrelevant to your erroneous claim that most narcissists and American politicians were the kids that were in theater in high school and college.

    You have a pattern of retreating from claims and statements you make if they are met with any challenge. What's up with that? Do you not believe the things you say or do you just rattle things off with your keyboard without giving it any thought?
    The theatre point went right over your head.

    Why wont you answer the question? We discussing my warped sense of reality, your words, so I am just trying to find your sense of reality. It appears you know you are in a pickle. Obviously you believe trans women are real women but can't say it in this discussion because you are attacking my sense of reality. Can you give me answer? Can a man have a baby?

    Can you provide a example of where I have retreated by my beliefs?
     
    Mentions of trump probably means this should not go on EE vaccine thread
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    People who took an anti-malaria treatment that Donald Trump touted as a cure for Covid-19 in the early days of the pandemic and waning days of his presidency were 11% more likely to die from the virus, according to a new scientific study.

    The study’s authors – who published their findings in the peer-reviewed Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy journal – also estimated that nearly 17,000 people in six different countries, including the US, died after contracting Covid-19 and taking the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine.

    Doctors who prescribed hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 at the height of activity restrictions meant to slow the spread of the virus did so off-label and without evidence that there was any clinical benefit, as the authors of the new study noted. The study’s conclusions “illustrate the hazard of drug repurposing with low-level evidence for the management of future pandemics”, its authors added.


    A meta-analysis of randomized trials produced the findings in the study released by Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy, a 67-year-old journal edited by DM Townsend of the Medical University of South Carolina.……

     

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