All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (8 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Another reason to boycott Florida...

Florida surgeon general altered Covid-19 vaccine analysis to suggest higher risk for younger men, Politico reports | CNN

Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo altered an analysis released by the Florida Department of Health last year to suggest mRNA Covid-19 vaccines pose a significant health risk to men ages 18 to 39, Politico reported Monday.

www.cnn.com

 

[MT15]

Another reason to boycott Florida...

Florida surgeon general altered Covid-19 vaccine analysis to suggest higher risk for younger men, Politico reports | CNN

Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo altered an analysis released by the Florida Department of Health last year to suggest mRNA Covid-19 vaccines pose a significant health risk to men ages 18 to 39, Politico reported Monday.

www.cnn.com

That man is an absolute loon who should lose his medical license. He’s seriously whacko.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Posted by Eeyore on SR vaccine thread
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Republican-sponsored N.C. House bill would require a three-year waiting period for a new Food and Drug Administration-approved vaccine to be placed on the state’s childhood immunization schedule.

House Bill 623, “titled “3-year FDA approval for new childhood vaxx,” will be heard at 10 a.m. Tuesday in House Health committee, the first of three required committee steps.

Among the primary bill sponsors is Rep. Larry Potts of Davidson County.

The proposed bill would prohibit the state Commission for Public Health from adding the childhood vaccine inside the three-year period…..,

No new vaccinations would be allowed in North Carolina for 3 years under bill filed in N.C. House

A Republican-sponsored N.C. House bill would require a three-year waiting period for a new Food and Drug Administration-approved vaccine to be placed on the state’s childhood immunization schedule.

journalnow.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Posted this on EE also

Surprise surprise it’s mostly Republicans that are responsible for lack of faith in vaccines
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Measles was declared eliminated in the United States in 2000, and the credit goes to parents who, year after year, brought their children to get measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations.

When enough children are vaccinated, say 90 percent or more in a school or community, they reach herd immunity, and the highly contagious measles virus has nowhere to go.

Now, a new public opinion survey of attitudes toward childhood vaccines suggests most parents will continue this essential practice — but there is reason to worry about growing skepticism of lifesaving medications.

The survey by the Pew Research Center of 10,701 U.S. adults conducted between March 13 to 19, published Tuesday, found that Americans “remain steadfast in their belief in the overall value of childhood vaccines,” with no change over four years “in the large majority who say the benefits of childhood vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) outweigh the risks.”

This view was endorsed by 88 percent of those questioned, compared with just 10 percent who said the risks outweigh the benefits, a share unchanged from before the pandemic. Uptake of the vaccine nationwide remains above 90 percent.

Nevertheless, the report documents deepening vaccine hesitancy in the United States — that is, the tendency of people to hold back out of suspicion, disinformation and anti-vaccine lobbying. This was evident in response to a question about whether healthy children should be vaccinated as a requirement for attending public school.

A surprising 28 percent of those responding said parents should be able to decide not to vaccinate their children, up 12 points from four years ago.

Shifts in views among Republicans is responsible for this change. In 2019, 79 percent of them said they supported requiring children to be vaccinated to attend public schools; that has shrunk to 57 percent.

By contrast, there is “no meaningful change” in the 85 percent of Democrats who support such a requirement. Also unsettling, White evangelical Protestants backed such school requirements by 77 percent to 20 percent four years ago, but in the latest survey, the support was 58 percent to 40 percent.

The survey also highlights enduring skepticism about coronavirus vaccines. Fewer than half of U.S. adults believe the preventive health benefits of coronavirus vaccines are high, while 7 in 10 hold this view of the childhood measles vaccines, the survey said……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/17/poll-vaccine-hesitancy-doctors/

 

[MT15]

Evidently a huge South Korea study on mRNA Covid vaccines and myocarditis just dropped. It shows a very slight risk of myocarditis from the vaccines and an exponentially higher risk from Covid itself. Even so, the SK study found a slightly higher risk of myocarditis than some previous studies, but less than other studies. It’s a complex picture.

 

[MT15]

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

coping mechanism? yea right, they still believe most of the numbers are a lie.

 

[MT15]

coping mechanism? yea right, they still believe most of the numbers are a lie.

That’s how they cope I suppose. They will never admit they were wrong. But sane people will know.

 

[MT15]

I saw this today, and I guess my immune system is totally gone now, lol. Funny story - several weeks ago we had our 5yo grandson over on a Sunday and got him a small Blizzard at DQ. He couldn’t finish it, so I told him to give it to me. I finished it using the same spoon. The next day he had a slight fever and tested positive for Covid. I thought to myself - well this will be interesting as I’ve not had it yet, but am fully vaxed. Never got it. My immune system seems to be just fine, lol.

 

[Optimus Prime]

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials released an intelligence report Friday that rejected several points raised by those who argue COVID-19 leaked from a Chinese lab, instead reiterating that American spy agencies remain divided over how the pandemic began.

The report was issued at the behest of Congress, which in March passed a bill giving U.S. intelligence 90 days to declassify intelligence related to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Intelligence officials during the Biden administration have been pushed by lawmakers to release more material about the origins of COVID-19. But they have repeatedly argued China’s official obstruction of independent reviews has made it perhaps impossible to determine how the pandemic began.

The newest report is likely to anger Republicans who say the administration is wrongly withholding classified information and researchers who accuse the U.S. of not being forthcoming.



There was newfound interest from researchers following the revelation earlier this year that the Department of Energy’s intelligence arm had issued a report arguing for a lab-related incident.

But Friday’s report said the intelligence community has not gone further. Four agencies still believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans, and two agencies — the Energy Department and the FBI — believe the virus leaked from a lab. The CIA and another agency have not made an assessment.

Located in the city where the pandemic is believed to have began, the lab has faced intense scrutiny for its previous research into bat coronaviruses and its reported security lapses……

US intelligence report on COVID-19 origins rejects some points raised by lab leak theory proponents

A new U.S. intelligence report rejects several points raised by those who argue COVID-19 leaked from a Chinese lab. It instead reiterates that American spy agencies remain divided over how the pandemic began. Some think it was caused by a lab accident; others think it naturally transmitted from...

apnews.com

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SaintForLife]

Posted this on EE also

Surprise surprise it’s mostly Republicans that are responsible for lack of faith in vaccines
=================

Measles was declared eliminated in the United States in 2000, and the credit goes to parents who, year after year, brought their children to get measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations.

When enough children are vaccinated, say 90 percent or more in a school or community, they reach herd immunity, and the highly contagious measles virus has nowhere to go.

Now, a new public opinion survey of attitudes toward childhood vaccines suggests most parents will continue this essential practice — but there is reason to worry about growing skepticism of lifesaving medications.

The survey by the Pew Research Center of 10,701 U.S. adults conducted between March 13 to 19, published Tuesday, found that Americans “remain steadfast in their belief in the overall value of childhood vaccines,” with no change over four years “in the large majority who say the benefits of childhood vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) outweigh the risks.”

This view was endorsed by 88 percent of those questioned, compared with just 10 percent who said the risks outweigh the benefits, a share unchanged from before the pandemic. Uptake of the vaccine nationwide remains above 90 percent.

Nevertheless, the report documents deepening vaccine hesitancy in the United States — that is, the tendency of people to hold back out of suspicion, disinformation and anti-vaccine lobbying. This was evident in response to a question about whether healthy children should be vaccinated as a requirement for attending public school.

A surprising 28 percent of those responding said parents should be able to decide not to vaccinate their children, up 12 points from four years ago.

Shifts in views among Republicans is responsible for this change. In 2019, 79 percent of them said they supported requiring children to be vaccinated to attend public schools; that has shrunk to 57 percent.

By contrast, there is “no meaningful change” in the 85 percent of Democrats who support such a requirement. Also unsettling, White evangelical Protestants backed such school requirements by 77 percent to 20 percent four years ago, but in the latest survey, the support was 58 percent to 40 percent.

The survey also highlights enduring skepticism about coronavirus vaccines. Fewer than half of U.S. adults believe the preventive health benefits of coronavirus vaccines are high, while 7 in 10 hold this view of the childhood measles vaccines, the survey said……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/17/poll-vaccine-hesitancy-doctors/

Biden, Seizing on Worries of a Rushed Vaccine, Warns Trump Can’t Be Trusted (Published 2020)

Thrusting the issue of a coronavirus vaccine to the center of the campaign, Joe Biden said he trusted vaccines, but not a politicized development process. His comments came as the president publicly rebuked the top federal scientist.

www.nytimes.com

Harris says she wouldn't trust Trump on any vaccine released before election

The Democratic vice presidential nominee also expressed concern that Trump has continued to contradict his own health officials.

www.politico.com

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Biden, Seizing on Worries of a Rushed Vaccine, Warns Trump Can’t Be Trusted (Published 2020)

Thrusting the issue of a coronavirus vaccine to the center of the campaign, Joe Biden said he trusted vaccines, but not a politicized development process. His comments came as the president publicly rebuked the top federal scientist.

www.nytimes.com

Harris says she wouldn't trust Trump on any vaccine released before election

The Democratic vice presidential nominee also expressed concern that Trump has continued to contradict his own health officials.

www.politico.com

There’s a difference between not trusting the vaccines and not trusting Donald Trump

I still don’t trust him (and have absolutely no reason to)

If I was in a windowless room and Donald Trump told me it was raining there’s a 95% chance I don’t believe him

The other 5%?

If it was really raining I’d assume that me knowing it was raining benefits him in some way

 

[CoolBrees]

I didn't trust TFG farther than I can throw his stupid, bloated traitor arse.

If he would have said the vaccine worked - AND ONLY HIM - I wouldn't have gone within a mile of one of them.

When actual scientists, who had been working on a rna vaccine for over 20 years, said that it would work, and when those who were willing to risk being a trial patient came back with exceedingly high efficacy rates with statistically nominal chance of bad reaction, I decided to take it.

When did trusting anyone who is a pundit or a personality over subject matter experts become a thing? Way back when, when they attacked climate change as a hoax. We are seeing the results of decades of assault on the Fourth Branch of Government.

There are trustworthy news sources. People just don't want to believe the truth so they avoid news information hubs like Reuter's or AP. They make mistakes, no doubt. But they aren't pushing a viewpoint.

We need the fairness doctrine and /or misinformation regulation for media groups. Not talking about clowns on the internet. If some guy named Technofog generates a story out of thin air, I don't care. I pity those who fall for their easily debunked points but that is a different conversation altogether. When known lies are picked up by actual media outlets, I care. Financial damage for lying about the election isn't enough for Fox or Newsmax, etc.

 

[SaintForLife]

Between the Lab leak is a conspiracy theory, Trump colluded with Russia to affect the election, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, the government isn't pressuring social media companies to censor citizens speech online, you guys have been proven wrong again and again on the biggest stories of the last few years.

 

[MT15]

SFL, are you capable of actually reading the letter? Fauci says clearly that he wants to convene a larger group of scientists to study the genetics of the virus and get the answer clearly. He continued to push for an answer to the question. He’s not covering up anything.

Also, Fauci doesn’t say the US was doing gain of function, he says that Chinese scientists were doing gain of function. This subject is too complicated for a simple answer. You should read this and get back to me.

The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org

A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.

www.factcheck.org

The irresponsible smear of Fauci is one of the true travesties of this whole sordid propaganda effort. It makes my blood boil. Fauci is a great scientist and a good man. The lies and smears are just flat out evil. Don’t be a part of that, it should be beneath you.

After all is said and done, lab leak remains the least likely origin of the virus. Read the piece I linked, so you can quit embarrassing yourself by quoting hacks.