All Things LGBTQ+ (7 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Still waiting to see where it bans the word 'gay'.

The hilarious thing about this is that it takes a page from the GOP playbook (which the Dems usually suck at)

Take a policy or what a politican said, and rebrand it with a short, catchy, easy to remember slogan that is either

A. An unfair, gross over exaggeration of what the bill says

B. An unfair, gross under exaggeration of what the bill says

C. An unfair, total misrepresentation (read: complete lie) of what the bill says

See ObamaCare's "Death Panels", Obama and "You didn't build that", "Fauci Ouchie", "Hug a Thug"

What's the proper expression here?

Something about throwing stones and glass houses?

or able to dish it out but can't take it?

Or Pots and kettles?

How about "Don't Say Gay, Turnabout is fair play"? that sounds catchy to me

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Still waiting to see where it bans the word 'gay'.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/29/texas-teacher-fourth-grade-students-lgbt-pride-week/

“I feel that it is inappropriate to call our parade this morning a ‘Wellness Walk’ at all. While I understand that Wellness Walk is something that was previously in motion to promote health and fitness and is something we want to continue, it really takes away from the experience of celebrating Pride to couple the two,” the teacher said.

“The first Pride was a riot. It was not enough to just ‘welcome,’ ‘love,’ and ‘celebrate’ Queer folx,” she continued. “Your allyship should always lead you to activism – speaking up and fighting for what is right, even when it feels uncomfortable. We can’t choose in and out of our protest spaces.”

The teacher went on to say that of the 32 students that she teaches, “20 of them are LGBTQIA+ and have come out to me.”

“I feel that we need to do better – for them,” the teacher said. “To affirm our students, I think it would only be appropriate and right to publicly announce [that] what we had this morning was a PRIDE Parade.”

Do you think it's impossible for someone at that age to know themselves well enough to understand that they might not be straight?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Do you think it's impossible for someone at that age to know themselves well enough to understand that they might not be straight?

You hear stories all the time about nervous teens coming out to their parents only to be told some version of "I've known that since you were 5"

 

[coldseat]

Still waiting to see where it bans the word 'gay'.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/29/texas-teacher-fourth-grade-students-lgbt-pride-week/

“I feel that it is inappropriate to call our parade this morning a ‘Wellness Walk’ at all. While I understand that Wellness Walk is something that was previously in motion to promote health and fitness and is something we want to continue, it really takes away from the experience of celebrating Pride to couple the two,” the teacher said.

“The first Pride was a riot. It was not enough to just ‘welcome,’ ‘love,’ and ‘celebrate’ Queer folx,” she continued. “Your allyship should always lead yocu to activism – speaking up and fighting for what is right, even when it feels uncomfortable. We can’t choose in and out of our protest spaces.”

The teacher went on to say that of the 32 students that she teaches, “20 of them are LGBTQIA+ and have come out to me.”

“I feel that we need to do better – for them,” the teacher said. “To affirm our students, I think it would only be appropriate and right to publicly announce [that] what we had this morning was a PRIDE Parade.”

I'm sure Libs of Tic Tok is an accurate source . Daily Caller is such a trash rag.

 

[Farb]

The hilarious thing about this is that it takes a page from the GOP playbook (which the Dems usually suck at)

Take a policy or what a politican said, and rebrand it with a short, catchy, easy to remember slogan that is either

A. An unfair, gross over exaggeration of what the bill says

B. An unfair, gross under exaggeration of what the bill says

C. An unfair, total misrepresentation of what the bill says

See ObamaCare's "Death Panels", Obama and "You didn't build that", "Fauci Ouchie", "Hug a Thug"

What's the proper expression here?

Something about throwing stones and glass houses?

or able to dish it out but can't take it?

Or Pots and kettles?

How about "Don't Say Gay, Turnabout is fair play"? that sounds catchy to me

It is just lazy and stupid. Much like the Ga voter laws the MLB took a stand on.

 

[Farb]

Do you think it's impossible for someone at that age to know themselves well enough to understand that they might not be straight?

4th Grade? Do you?

 

[Farb]

I'm sure Libs of Tic Tok is an accurate source . Daily Caller is such a trash rag.

I agree about daily caller but until the words the teacher typed are proved to be untrue, we have to believe her correct? Who would lie about the gender confusion in 'her students'?

 

[Optimus Prime]

the vagueness is the point and this article illustrates where 'Don't Say Gay" came from
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On Monday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law the Parental Rights in Education bill. Dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill by its critics, HB 1557 contains a crucial provision that may seem harmless on its face — but it undermines the fundamental free speech and due process rights of Florida teachers, students and families.

The provision reads: “Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.” Parents may enforce this provision by suing the school district for injunctive relief, damages and attorneys’ fees.

Let’s take this provision apart. First, it bars classroom instruction “on sexual orientation or gender identity” in K-3 classrooms. Second, this provision bars classroom instruction “on sexual orientation or gender identity” that “is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate” without limitation with respect to grade level. Moreover, each of these prohibitions applies to both school personnel and unspecified “third parties.”

On its face, these requirements may seem innocuous. After all, many people might feel some discomfort at the thought of kindergarteners receiving instruction “on sexual orientation.” And who could argue against prohibiting instruction on sexuality — or any topic for that matter — that isn’t “age appropriate or developmentally appropriate”?

However, a moment’s reflection reveals just how vague these prohibitions are. Nowhere does HB 1557 define its operative terms: “instruction,” “on sexual orientation,” “on … gender identity,” “appropriate” or “third parties.”

For example, if a teacher who happens to be gay mentions her wife by name when describing what she did with her family over winter break, thereby expressing the fact that she’s married to a woman, does that count as “instructing” students “on sexual orientation”?

What if a teacher — gay or straight — assigns a math problem that mentions that “Sally has two moms”?

For that matter, if a second grader with two dads draws a picture of her family and shares it with her classmates, does that constitute a “third party” providing the verboten instruction?

A well-drafted law would define its terms carefully. Precisely because HB 1557 does not do so, it could be read to prohibit any of these activities. Yet the U.S. Constitution does not tolerate that degree of vagueness.

Sixty years ago, the Supreme Court considered another Florida law passed in the context of a moral panic that subjected public school employees to an unconstitutionally vague prohibition. Cramp v. Board of Public Instruction involved a McCarthy-era loyalty oath that required all public employees to swear that one “has not, does not and will not lend aid, support, advice, counsel or influence to the Communist Party.”

After noting the “extraordinary ambiguity” of this language — what if you once voted for a candidate whom you knew some members of the Communist Party also happened to support, for example — the court struck Florida’s loyalty oath under the 14th Amendment’s due process clause.

Since Cramp, courts have distinguished three inter-related harms associated with vague laws, all of which are embodied in HB 1557.

First, they’ve said vague laws deny citizens adequate notice of what conduct will and will not make them vulnerable to legal sanctions. HB 1557’s extraordinary vagueness denies to members of the educational community the “reasonable opportunity to know what is prohibited” that due process requires.............

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

It is just lazy and stupid. Much like the Ga voter laws the MLB took a stand on.

Were these lazy and stupid as well?

ObamaCare's "Death Panels", Obama and "You didn't build that", "Fauci Ouchie", "Hug a Thug" and many more

or is it only lazy and stupid when the libs do it?

 

[Taurus]

4th Grade? Do you?

My but weren't you a late bloomer.

 

[brandon]

4th Grade? Do you?

I definitely knew in 4th grade I liked girls. Honestly, I remember having a “girlfriend” in preschool who I pulled a Will Smith for and pushed some other mean preschooler over the see-saw for.

I would easily assume someone gay at that age would know they liked the same sex.

 

[Farb]

Were these lazy and stupid as well?

ObamaCare's "Death Panels", Obama and "You didn't build that", "Fauci Ouchie", "Hug a Thug" and many more

or is it only lazy and stupid when the libs do it?

Besides Obama care, were those laws or stupid remarks by stupid politicians?

 

[Farb]

My but weren't you a late bloomer.

I guess, but I also think I was lucky I wasn't being actively groomed like these kids in government schools are now.

 

[MT15]

I agree about daily caller but until the words the teacher typed are proved to be untrue, we have to believe her correct? Who would lie about the gender confusion in 'her students'?

We don’t think its the teacher lying, we think it’s the Daily Caller lying.

 

[MT15]

I guess, but I also think I was lucky I wasn't being actively groomed like these kids in government schools are now.

This is a stupid lie.

 

[Taurus]

Gubmint schools. Like the one I went to at Fairchild AFB?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Besides Obama care, were those laws or stupid remarks by stupid politicians?

That proves my point exactly

No one on the left said "Fauci Ouchie" or "Hug a Thug", it was right wing talking points to diminish and dismiss what was trying to be accomplished, and once they are out there and take hold in the base's mind no one is really interested in hearing what actually is trying to be accomplished

Yes, Obama did say "You didn't build that" and the right took that and ran with it and completely and intentionally ignored the context of that short phase.

How many of those that were angered and outraged by the statement ever bothered to watch the full clip?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I guess, but I also think I was lucky I wasn't being actively groomed like these kids in government schools are now.

Deep State plan to make kids gay?