All Things LGBTQ+ (6 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I describe reality as it is.

No, you don't, and your failure to do so shows up in your words as a distinct lack of compassion and empathy.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I agree, they do deserve compassion and respect but are these people so fragile that a pronoun misuse reaches the level of horrifying? If they are, is that really societies problem or the person that gets offended (or worse yet, those that get offended for them)?
Do we deserve compassion and respect when using a language that has used the same pronouns since time and memorial? It seems we don't. It seems compassion and respect only go one way.

If someone intentionally disrespected and/or bullied your child, what would you do?

 

[Farb]

Gender dysphoria isn't confusion or a lack of knowing who you are. It's the condition of your outward self not matching the identity of who you know yourself to be.

Symptoms​

Gender dysphoria might cause adolescents and adults to experience:

• A marked difference between your inner gender identity and assigned gender lasting at least six months, as shown by at least two of the following:
  
  • A marked difference between your inner gender identity and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, or anticipated secondary sex characteristics in young adolescents
  • A strong desire to be rid of primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked difference with your inner gender identity, or a desire to prevent the development of anticipated secondary sex characteristics in young adolescents
  • A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
  • A strong desire to be of the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
  • A strong desire to be treated as the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
  • A strong conviction that you have typical feelings and reactions of the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
• Significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other areas of functioning

Or a belief or an opinion that your outward self does not match what you believe yourself to be.

 

[Paul]

No, you don't, and your failure to do so shows up in your words as a distinct lack of compassion and empathy.

I have maximum compassion and empathy, but I will maintain contact with reality at all times.

 

[Farb]

If someone intentionally disrespected and/or bullied your child, what would you do?

Bullied or disrespected? Those are 2 very different things.

 

[coldseat]

I don't see a shooting war. To say we are not in a cold civil war right now is just lazy and foolish our leaders were very good at crafting it so they can secure votes and keep power. We are just stupid enough to follow them. Too late now.

I also wish this country to stay together. I do love the USA but at some point, you have to love your family, your God and yourself more.

If you lived in a neighborhood you loved and then slowly more Trumpers (imagine pick up trucks with Trump flags, Trump flags in the yard, Trump block parties every other weekend, kids dressing as Trump for halloween, Trump cookies given out every holiday season) and then slowly your old neighbors started moving out of the neighborhood because of the Toby Keith songs night and day, would you look to move too? I think you would, I think anyone would if they had the means.

I live in Texas, you don't think I see those things regularly? Lol. Yet, I still live here. So I guess the answer to your question is "apparently not".

You may not see a shooting war coming, but a lot of you compatriots do. And they're right if people like yourself continue to follow them blindly down that road as you're doing now, instead of finding a way to resolve your "insoluble" differences with the "other side".

Also, I have to state this very clearly. You really don't know what people on the left or "alt-left" want. You know what right wing media wants you to think we want and what a few louder people on the left want because that is what is fed to you by your media consumption. But you don't really take the time to actually have discussion with regular people who consider themselves liberal to know what they actually want.

 

[Paul]

No, you describe it as you perceive it.

That applies to everybody. Nice comment! Your perception could be worse than mine.

 

[MT15]

Seems the school board member who resigned did so due to multiple death threats:

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Symptoms​

Gender dysphoria might cause adolescents and adults to experience:

• A marked difference between your inner gender identity and assigned gender lasting at least six months, as shown by at least two of the following:
  
  • A marked difference between your inner gender identity and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, or anticipated secondary sex characteristics in young adolescents
  • A strong desire to be rid of primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked difference with your inner gender identity, or a desire to prevent the development of anticipated secondary sex characteristics in young adolescents
  • A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
  • A strong desire to be of the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
  • A strong desire to be treated as the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
  • A strong conviction that you have typical feelings and reactions of the other gender or an alternate gender different from assigned gender
• Significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other areas of functioning

Or a belief or an opinion that your outward self does not match what you believe yourself to be.

This is exactly what I said, except you changed out knowledge for belief, implying that you believe you know more about someone suffering from gender dysphoria than they know about themselves. So damn arrogant.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have maximum compassion and empathy, but I will maintain contact with reality at all times.

Your idea of reality erases trans people from existence. That's not reality at all.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Bullied or disrespected? Those are 2 very different things.

That's why I said, "and/or". I was asking for your thoughts on both.

 

[Paul]

Your idea of reality erases trans people from existence. That's not reality at all.

How do I erase an Trans? Please explain.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

How do I erase an Trans? Please explain.

By misgendering or deadnaming a trans person, you are erasing their identity and lived experiences. You are denying the reality of who they are.

 

[Farb]

I live in Texas, you don't think I see those things regularly? Lol. Yet, I still live here. So I guess the answer to your question is "apparently not".

You may not see a shooting war coming, but a lot of you compatriots do. And they're right if people like yourself continue to follow them blindly down that road as you're doing now, instead of finding a way to resolve your "insoluble" differences with the "other side".

Also, I have to state this very clearly. You really don't know what people on the left or "alt-left" want. You know what right wing media wants you to think we want and what a few louder people on the left want because that is what is fed to you by your media consumption. But you don't really take the time to actually have discussion with regular people who consider themselves liberal to know what they actually want.

Fair enough, I don't care for Texas so I will give you that.
I still don't see a pew pew thing coming, I see, maybe hope, for more of a decentralization but one side loves big government is trusting of the big government and one side distrusts and loathes big government. You also have the slush in the middle like politicians that are both without being either really. You know, votes at all cost type thing.

I appreciate your stating clearly, obviously, I disagree. I have several dear friends that are liberal. Most of my immediate and extended family are liberal. I do have a few relatives that alt-left so I think I know liberal vs. alt-left and conservative vs. alt-right.

 

[Farb]

This is exactly what I said, except you changed out knowledge for belief, implying that you believe you know more about someone suffering from gender dysphoria than they know about themselves. So damn arrogant.

Nope, I just used a synonym for the word in the medical definition. Kind of like if you replaced 'terminal' with 'deadly' or 'fatal'. Same meaning, just a different word.

for the bolded part- Do crazy people know they are crazy? What if a person believes he in Napoleon, do we as a society humor that person and all wear French military uniforms from the 1800s? No, you get them to talk to someone who knows about their condition.

 

[Paul]

By misgendering or deadnaming a trans person, you are erasing their identity and lived experiences. You are denying the reality of who they are.

Where do you get that info. I have nothing but compassion and understanding. If a trans woman wants me to call her "her" I will.

But, I cannot change my perception of reality to fit her perception of reality. Im my world there is a distinction between a biological woman and a trans woman. I cannot see them as the same no matter how hard I try.

 

[Farb]

By misgendering or deadnaming a trans person, you are erasing their identity and lived experiences. You are denying the reality of who they are.

Why is it my responsibility to affirm their 'lived experiences' or identity when that identify and lived experience goes directly against reality and even science?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Nope, I just used a synonym for the word in the medical definition. Kind of like if you replaced 'terminal' with 'deadly' or 'fatal'. Same meaning, just a different word.

for the bolded part- Do crazy people know they are crazy? What if a person believes he in Napoleon, do we as a society humor that person and all wear French military uniforms from the 1800s? No, you get them to talk to someone who knows about their condition.

Which words did you replace and what did you replace them with, because I am not reading it the same way you are.