All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Incumbent]

Yeah, otoh the destruction would very likely wash over everyone else.

Cripes, this country sure can be stupid.

I keep waiting on corporations to exercise influence. Not as an act of nobility where none exists, but because in most instances, they are risk averse. The tax benefits offered by republicans are enticing, but when you have politicians and other thought leaders openly advocating for deportations, secession, bloodshed, and war, that becomes problematic. Companies want to sell overpriced phones or cars, requiring buyers who can afford their products. Ushering in chaos and ramping up calls to violence works against that.

Long way of saying I agree with you that this country sure can be stupid.

 

[SystemShock]

I don’t think anyone would object if the GOP purchased gay pride flags and then burned them. I also don’t think that was what the GOP official intended when he told people to go burn gay pride flags. I think he intended to intimidate gay people. I think it was an attempt to stifle people from feeling free to fly their flags. I have read of plenty of times where people have torn down gay pride flags from homes or businesses. Nowhere have I read of people buying them and symbolically burning them. I think the GOP has lost the benefit of the doubt in these matters.

I don't disagree, but I wanted to concentrate on the act of burning a flag. Obviously if I go into someone's house and burn their flag, whether it it be a pride flag or a Falcons flag, or if I plant a cross in your lawn and burn it, that's an act of aggression. As for what the GOP does, well, you don't have to tell me...

 

[SystemShock]

I changed it. Sincerely, did I use the correct word when I changed it? If not, please tell me if there is a word and what it might be or I will simply use those of Spanish descent generally from Central and South America. Merely looking for guidance.

Peace.

I don't like words like Hispanic or Latin. You don't call people from English speaking countries "Englishic", or Canada and the U.S. Angle America.

 

[bird]

I don't like words like Hispanic or Latin. You don't call people from English speaking countries "Englishic", or Canada and the U.S. Angle America.

I get that. Is there any word or term that people of Spanish descent from central or South America prefer? If not, I will happily use better language.

Thanks.

Peace.

 

[Farb]

I can’t even tell what you are trying to say here. You’re the one who asked the question about someone burning the pride flag and hate crimes. Nobody else has mentioned hate crimes in this scenario.

The point I was making is that the party of “free speech” and “liberty” and what not is asking people to burn pride flags. The hypocrisy is staggering.

It is called a discussion. Please keep up.
There has been no political bat signal to burn pride flags. You are paranoid. Try not listening to the media, who, just showed with out any doubt left that they lie to you and are political activists and not actual journalists.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is called a discussion. Please keep up.
There has been no political bat signal to burn pride flags. You are paranoid. Try not listening to the media, who, just showed with out any doubt left that they lie to you and are political activists and not actual journalists.

You are responding to a conversation in which a state political party called for pride flags to be burned. Please keep up.

 

[MT15]

It is called a discussion. Please keep up.
There has been no political bat signal to burn pride flags. You are paranoid. Try not listening to the media, who, just showed with out any doubt left that they lie to you and are political activists and not actual journalists.

Your side is asking you to disbelieve what the state GOP party posted, and you come in here and chide me about keeping up?

It’s easy to find the actual email.

God Hates Pride

 

[Farb]

Your side is asking you to disbelieve what the state GOP party posted, and you come in here and chide me about keeping up?

It’s easy to find the actual email.

God Hates Pride

I am not sure if God hates pride month, but he can't be excited about the pictures on the website you linked with pervs and groomers showboating their fetishes for kids.

 

[SystemShock]

I would bet and I think you would as well that destroying a Gay pride flag is done solely because of hatred.

I don't think that burning a pride flag is solely a hate act.

Because marginalization by power holders prevents those marginalized from enjoying the full benefits of citizenship and of being human.

Burning a piece of cloth doesn't prevent anyone from enjoying the full benefits of citizenship.

Free speech has never been absolute nor should it be. Slander and libel are not permitted. In addition, verbal assault is/may be considered a crime in some jurisdictions. It is in Ohio.

Free speech has never been free. It's been protected. If I can burn the flag of the United States of America, I don't see a reason why I can't do the same to a pride flag, regardless of how marginalized the people who wave it have been in the past.

 

[bird]

I am not sure if God hates pride month, but he can't be excited about the pictures on the website you linked with pervs and groomers showboating their fetishes for kids.

And I am willing to bet he ain’t happy with all the Conservative politicians/prests/pastors that have molested children.

Why do you support child molesters?

 

[bird]

I don't think that burning a pride flag is solely a hate act.

Burning a piece of cloth doesn't prevent anyone from enjoying the full benefits of citizenship.


Free speech has never been free. It's been protected. If I can burn the flag of the United States of America, I don't see a reason why I can't do the same to a pride flag, regardless of how marginalized the people who wave it have been in the past.

I will take what LGBTQA+ people think over what you think regarding hatred aimed at them.

On you second point tell that to those impacted by the SCOTUS decisions aimed directly at LGBTQA+ people. If you can’t draw the line then that is your problem.

Free speech is protected. Which is irrelevant to the actual fact that it is not absolute. Libel and slander laws are real things as are laws where speech can be considered assault.

 

[MT15]

I am not sure if God hates pride month, but he can't be excited about the pictures on the website you linked with pervs and groomers showboating their fetishes for kids.

So, I wouldn’t take a kid to that kind of parade either. But I’m not willing to take away people’s rights, or threaten them or kill them over it. With all the actual physical sexual abuse of children going on in religious institutions, I don’t think this hyper-concentration on gay people is anything but a deflection tactic from religions. It’s a deliberate attempt at getting their own people to ignore what they are doing and focus blame and hate on an out group that has no real power. Meanwhile, they rake in the cash, and hide the abusers.

 

[coldseat]

I don't think that burning a pride flag is solely a hate act.

Burning a piece of cloth doesn't prevent anyone from enjoying the full benefits of citizenship.


Free speech has never been free. It's been protected. If I can burn the flag of the United States of America, I don't see a reason why I can't do the same to a pride flag, regardless of how marginalized the people who wave it have been in the past.

If I see somebody burning a Pride flag, I'm going to instantly assume there's a 99.9% chance they're a bigot and that is the reason they're burning the flag. Because otherwise, why bother? Who else cares enough about the Pride flag to burn it that doesn't hate it?

 

[SystemShock]

If I see somebody burning a Pride flag, I'm going to instantly assume there's a 99.9% chance they're a bigot and that is the reason they're burning the flag. Because otherwise, why bother? Who else cares enough about the Pride flag to burn it that doesn't hate it?

You can ask the same question about anyone who burns any symbol.
Other than necessary hate, it could be just to piss people off, to show general disapproval or dislike, express displeasure over the gimp float at the pride parade...

To me, this idea that burning a pride flag is necessarily an act of hate is very much in line with the idea that not dating a trans person makes someone a bigot, which a few years ago made the rounds on youtube.

 

[SystemShock]

I will take what LGBTQA+ people think over what you think regarding hatred aimed at them.

Well, if you think burning a piece of cloth is necessarily hatred towards you, just like Catholics that feel persecuted or Christians who think there's a war against Christmas, there's nothing to be done. It's not being paranoid if they really are out to get you, right?

On you second point tell that to those impacted by the SCOTUS decisions aimed directly at LGBTQA+ people. If you can’t draw the line then that is your problem.

So, the burning of a pride flag made the decisions? Did the Justices burn pride flags too? What do SCOTUS decisions have to do with the burning of a piece of cloth?

Free speech is protected. Which is irrelevant to the actual fact that it is not absolute. Libel and slander laws are real things as are laws where speech can be considered assault.

I have no idea what you are arguing here, but speech is not free, it is protected, and sure, therefore not absolute, and sure, there are laws against libel and slander, but burning up a piece of cloth is neither libel nor slander.

 

[bird]

Well, if you think burning a piece of cloth is necessarily hatred towards you, just like Catholics that feel persecuted or Christians who think there's a war against Christmas, there's nothing to be done. It's not being paranoid if they really are out to get you, right?


So, the burning of a pride flag made the decisions? Did the Justices burn pride flags too? What do SCOTUS decisions have to do with the burning of a piece of cloth?


I have no idea what you are arguing here, but speech is not free, it is protected, and sure, therefore not absolute, and sure, there are laws against libel and slander, but burning up a piece of cloth is neither libel nor slander.

The LGBTQA+ community thinks it is hatred.

The SCOTUS decisions, much like Trump’s encouraging racism and misogyny, have encouraged hatred toward LGBTQA+ people. Thomas openly suggested that gay marriage should be revisited.

The burning a piece of cloth is a meaningless comment because it lacks context. Burning a gay pride flag is hatred to the LGBTQA+ community.

Read the Project 2025 thread.

 

[bird]

To me, this idea that burning a pride flag is necessarily an act of hate is very much in line with the idea that not dating a trans person makes someone a bigot, which a few years ago made the rounds on youtube.

Not dating someone is not the same as actively hating someone.

 

[coldseat]

You can ask the same question about anyone who burns any symbol.
Other than necessary hate, it could be just to piss people off, to show general disapproval or dislike, express displeasure over the gimp float at the pride parade...

To me, this idea that burning a pride flag is necessarily an act of hate is very much in line with the idea that not dating a trans person makes someone a bigot, which a few years ago made the rounds on youtube.

Sure, sure. You can give them that benefit of the doubt if you want. I won't.

Regardless, it doesn't mean I think they should be arrested or anything. But I'm not going to deny the obvious.