All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Yes, you got it.

They view any sort of corporate acknowledgment or inclusion as embracing woke and forcing it on their customers. They view it all as binary - you're either on board with woke and thus a part of the forces of their subjugation, or you're part of the resistance . . . and no one on the resistance would ever hire a trans influencer to be in an ad campaign.

Again, it's a particularly acute combination of insecurity, hate, and stupidity to see the world that way, yet it's the world they think they live in.

It sounds exhausting... like some stuff I can sort of wrap my head around what they're trying to say, but this just appears to blow any attempt to rationalize their fear away -- it's pure bigotry. Acknowledging that trans people exist and have money is like the bare miminum amount of decency I'd expect from a corporation.

 

[SamAndreas]

I'm still really trying to figure out what the outrage is with Bud.. I mean I think a lot outrage is manufactured, but in this case, it seems really weird. They worked with a transgender influencer - what is the stated reason for outrage? That they don't want transgender people to exist is what I think the real reason is - but what are they saying is the problem? Is it "woke" to acknowledge that different people exist and that companies want to sell to different kinds of people?

A conservative said this to me yesterday to explain what it is that is causing all this outrage:

"We were "shutup".
These trans are not even liked by queers, the ones we just ignored or perhaps poked fun at.
If they would "shutup", the rest of the world wouldd just go back to the occasional jokes and such."


I don't claim to understand all of this explanation, but there it is.

He was being sincere, I don't doubt that. He honestly feels that Dylan Mulvaney and Anheuser Busch (told or tried to force) him and his to "shutup."

He then went on to ask me, "Do you queer lovers actually think red neck Bud drinkers will conform?"

 

[SystemShock]

They view it all as binary - you're either on board with woke and thus a part of the forces of their subjugation, or you're part of the resistance . . . and no one on the resistance would ever hire a trans influencer to be in an ad campaign.

Tell me about it

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

It's the Boston harbor Megyn, not the Boston River. Lol

 

[MT15]

This is a good couple of posts:

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I get all my Drag Queen info form "Too Wong Foo"

 

[Optimus Prime]

So the far right is ditching Bud Light (they drink Coors now?), is it just Bud Light specifically, or all Budweiser brands?

guess it's just Bud Light
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Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, learned how beer monopolies work this week when, in an attempt to join the growing chorus of conservatives vowing to boycott Bud Light over the beer brand's partnership with transgender influencer and activist Dylan Mulvaney, he posted a video showing the contents of his refrigerator — only to reveal that is was packed with another beer owned by Bud's parent company, Anheuser-Busch.

"Just saw Bud Light's stupid ad campaign," Crenshaw said in the video, which was posted to the congressman's Instagram feed on Monday. "So, guess what we're going to do? We're going to throw out every single Bud Light we've got in the fridge."

At that point, Crenshaw opened up his refrigerator. However, there were no cans of Bud Light inside.

"Alright," he said. "Well, I guess that was easy."

Not so fast: As Instagram commenters quickly pointed out, Crenshaw's refrigerator was stocked with Karbach, a brand that Anheuser-Busch acquired in November 2016.

"Cringe-Shaw….when you realize Karbach is owned by the same company as Anheuser-Busch," one commenter wrote.

"Way to do your research snowflake," a second user added. "You just owned yourself."

Another commenter agreed: The congressman had committed "a tremendous self-own.".............

Why Dan Crenshaw's beer boycott was a "tremendous self-own"

In the words of one Instagram commenter, the Texas congressman's social media post was a "tremendous self-own"

www.salon.com

 

[SystemShock]

This is a good couple of posts:

It feels like a made up conversation to me, but anyway, is there a test that can objectively determine whether child a "wants to be" or "thinks to be"?

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[MT15]

It feels like a made up conversation to me, but anyway, is there a test that can objectively determine whether child a "wants to be" or "thinks to be"?

How do you think one could go about determining that with a 10-12 yo?

 

[coldseat]

It feels like a made up conversation to me, but anyway, is there a test that can objectively determine whether child a "wants to be" or "thinks to be"?

Doubt there is. Is there a test for "wants to be" or "thinks to be" cis-gender? I guess that would kind of be the same test, lol.

I wanted to be straight when I was younger because I thought the gay feelings I had were evil. Didn't work out that way for me because I was fighting against my nature, but I'm amazed to so many teens today know who they are and can make peace with that so early in life.

 

[SystemShock]

How do you think one could go about determining that with a 10-12 yo?

I don't know, but that's the point: how do you objectively know the difference (or even if there is a difference) between "I want to be" and "I am" when dealing with 10-12 year olds or younger?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Doubt there is. Is there a test for "wants to be" or "thinks to be" cis-gender? I guess that would kind of be the same test, lol.

I wanted to be straight when I was younger because I thought the gay feelings I had were evil. Didn't work out that way for me because I was fighting against my nature, but I'm amazed to so many teens today know who they are and can make peace with that so early in life.

God bless them.

 

[SystemShock]

Doubt there is. Is there a test for "wants to be" or "thinks to be" cis-gender? I guess that would kind of be the same test, lol.

Come on...

 

[SystemShock]

God bless them.

Which god would that be? The Abrahamic god doesn't bless teh gheys.

 

[Optimus Prime]

In January, the UCLA School of Law’s Williams Institute in concert with Clark University published an analysis of perceptions among LGBTQ Floridians of their state’s new law targeting discussion of same-sex relationships in schools. The sample size was relatively (and probably necessarily) small, a bit over 110 parents in the state who identify as LGBTQ+. But the findings were still dramatic: more than half indicated that they’d thought about leaving the state and 1 in 6 had already made plans allowing them to do so.

“It is absolutely terrifying living in Florida and it has gotten progressively worse,” one respondent to the survey said. “We have been discriminated against and verbally attacked in the past in Florida. Now that we have kids, we are much more concerned about our safety and the well-being of our kids.”

For some reason, this survey was picked up last week by the website “Florida’s Voice,” a right-leaning organization that often echoes and amplifies the rhetoric of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R). It tweeted out its summary: “Survey finds majority of ‘queer parents’” — scare quotes in the original, of course — “consider leaving Florida because of law barring sexual orientation/gender identity instruction in K-3.”

That legislation was signed into law by DeSantis last year and is poised to be expanded to all grade levels. On Saturday evening, DeSantis staffer and adviser Christina Pushaw shared the Florida’s Voice tweet with her followers, adding only one thing: An emoji of a hand waving, presumably goodbye to those parents concerned about the legislation.

The Williams Institute estimates that there are about 770,000 LGBT residents of Florida, or about 4.6 percent of the adult population. About a quarter of them are parents. Florida has a slightly higher percentage of LGBT residents than the U.S. overall, according to Williams Institute analysis. Other states with higher densities of LGBT residents are all ones that have voted Democratic in recent presidential elections.

It’s generally understood that DeSantis’s political efforts at the moment are largely focused on the 2024 Republican presidential nominating contest, making it somewhat less odd for an adviser of his to seem to want to push 1 in 40 state residents (a bit over half of the 4.6 percent who are LGBT) out the door. But just because targeting LGBTQ Americans likely bolsters DeSantis’s position with his party’s primary electorate doesn’t mean that it’s risk-free — particularly over the long term.

One of the underlying tensions in American politics at the moment is that the country’s older and younger populations differ both demographically and politically. Younger Americans are less likely to be White and more likely to be gay or trans. They’re also much more likely to vote for Democrats. For an older, Whiter, more Republican electorate, Black, gay, Hispanic and trans people can serve as a useful foil.

This is not an accident, as the New York Times reported on Sunday. After the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage — and particularly after it overturned Roe v. Wade — right-wing activist groups needed a new organizing target. Terry Schilling of American Principles Project told the Times that his movement “threw everything at the wall” to find something that mobilized their base. Schilling’s organizations did polling to figure out what messages were most effective. And what they landed on will not surprise you, if you’ve been tracking the national conversation: a focus on transgender Americans, particularly in amateur sports, was a winner..............

The right’s short-sighted war on LGBTQ Americans

 

[SystemShock]

It's an expression. Stop being so literal.

Why are you so bitter?

... but hey, I broke my rule, so...

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Why are you so bitter?

Yeah, I know, and drag queens aren't marginalized.