All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[coldseat]

Those terms were not created in the U.S., nor more or less the same way

Hispanic comes from Hispanus, the people of Hispania (today's Iberian Peninsula), as named by the Romans.

"Latin America" came from France, during (or just before) the French occupation of MX; coincidentally, because what's now known as "Latin American" was known as Hispanic America in those days, which excluded France, so Napoleon called Hispanic America "Latin America", in reference to the root of Spanish, French, and Portuguese.

As a side note, your list of where immigrants come from, you forgot to mention MX, which happens to be North America... common mistake, thinking MX is in C.A., by people who don't know well the history of the U.S. and MX.


No. It is because Anglos are not going to tell us how to speak our forking language.

Damn straight.

I understand the origins of the words, but the words Hispanic and Latino/Latina came to popular and regular use in the US during those decades I mentioned. As you will know, people from Latin American countries do not refer to themselves as Latino or Latina in their countries. They identify as the being from the country of their origin, i.e. Mexican, Columbian, etc., not an inclusive term for all of them like Latino. Also, the original meanings of "Hispano" or Hispanic and Latino/Latina changed some to what its come to mean today in the US. A lot of Hispanic, Latino, Latina, North American, Central American, Caribbean American, South American people don't like any of those terms. So you're a lot more accepting of language changes than some.

I did forgot to mention Mexico/North America. Just an oversight, not because I don't know Mexico is part of North America.

Why did I know before hand that you would respond to that post?

 

[SystemShock]

I understand the origins of the words, but the words Hispanic and Latino/Latina came to popular and regular use in the US during those decades I mentioned.

They were not created in the U.S., as you erroneously stated. I don't know what you consider "popular and regular use", but the terms were used in the U.S. well before the decades you mentioned.

As you will know, people from Latin American countries do not refer to themselves as Latino or Latina in their countries. They identify as the being from the country of their origin, i.e. Mexican, Columbian, etc., not an inclusive term for all of them like Latino.

Well, if you ask anyone anywhere in the world where they are from, they most likely will say their country of origin, not their continent of origin. Even so, there are everyday references to "Latino America" in Spanish speaking countries, being TV, newspapers, etc.

Also, the original meanings of "Hispano" or Hispanic and Latino/Latina changed some to what its come to mean today in the US. A lot of Hispanic, Latino, Latina, North American, Central American, Caribbean American, South American people don't like any of those terms. So you're a lot more accepting of language changes than some.

Who says I like or prefer those terms?

 

[SamAndreas]

What is the definition of male? If you say 'the opposite of female' that is not really a definition because the definition of female is 'the opposite of male'. Circular logic. Exactly like the definition of 'woman' is 'anyone who identifies as a woman'. Circular logic shows a fault in the original logic.

Hot is the opposite of cold
cold is the opposite of hot

Which one will burn and which one will freeze?

Makes no sense to me which makes me ask why the change? Did they change the definition to satisfy the LGTBQ group? Is this an organic change of language like we were told or more along the lines of the 'latinx' cram down of group speak?

It's real easy Farb. Jo Jo from Jersey says:

 

[Farb]

It's real easy Farb. Jo Jo from Jersey says:

Oh, well I didn't know JoJo was about to lay down some life lessons. I am sold. I am all about killing babies in the womb now that JoJo educated me!

Seriously, though she makes some really stupid statements in an attempt justify abortion. What about praying in school, if you don't want to, dont do it. It is that easy.
If you don't want to deal with an unexpected pregnancy, don't do the 1 thing that is 100% proven by the order of billions to result in reporduction.
If you don't want to read the bible in school, then don't. Easy.

Are any of those things on the table in your state? Is abortion now illegal in California?

 

[coldseat]

They were not created in the U.S., as you erroneously stated. I don't know what you consider "popular and regular use", but the terms were used in the U.S. well before the decades you mentioned.

I would disagree with that. Maybe not created in the absolute since, but certainly adapted for use in the US as to what they have come to mean and how it's used today. And while you see forms of those words used in different parts of the country at different times in our history, it's current form (i.e. Latino vs. Latin vs. Latino Americano) and broader/national use didn't really come about until the decades I mentioned.

This is a good synopsis for anybody interested: https://remezcla.com/features/culture/latino-vs-hispanic-vs-latinx-how-these-words-originated/

 

[SystemShock]

I would disagree with that.

Disagree all you want. You are still wrong

This is a good synopsis for anybody interested: https://remezcla.com/features/culture/latino-vs-hispanic-vs-latinx-how-these-words-originated/

It is not.

 

[coldseat]

Disagree all you want. You are still wrong

That's cute.

It is not.

Give us your unimpeachable source if you must. I can provide hundreds to back up what I've stated, but I'm sure they're all wrong according to you.

 

[SystemShock]

That's cute

No, that's correct.

 

[coldseat]

No, that's correct.

Sure it is

 

[SystemShock]

Sure it is

This is very childish of you.

It doesn't take a great man to admit he's wrong. You stated something (or somethings) that were wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you continue to double and triple down, rather than just recognizing that you were wrong; which is one of the biggest issues in modern discourse today.

 

[coldseat]

This is very childish of you.

It doesn't take a great man to admit he's wrong. You stated something (or somethings) that were wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you continue to double and triple down, rather than just recognizing that you were wrong; which is one of the biggest issues in modern discourse today.

Lol. You can keep saying I'm wrong, but I'm not.

I've backed up what I've said. None of it has really contradicted anything you've really said, but you're insistant on me saying I'm wrong. I will not.

 

[superchuck500]

This is getting so stupid, look at our neighbors to the north

Question: how would it make your life different, or anyone else’s for that matter, of it had said “missing man” instead of “missing woman”?

 

[Farb]

Question: how would it make your life different, or anyone else’s for that matter, of it had said “missing man” instead of “missing woman”?

I assume they released this in order to help people identify the person that is wanted so they could find the person. So, does that not stand to reason that you release an actual factual description so that they can be identified? Here is the press release from the 'police':

The Toronto Police Service requests the public's assistance locating a missing woman.

Isobella Degrace, 27, was last seen on Saturday, June 25, 2022, at 3 a.m., in the Ryerson Avenue and Bathurst Street area.

She is described as 5’10", with a thin build, shaggy blonde hair, and a full goatee. She was last seen wearing a black t-shirt and grey pants.

Police are concerned for her safety.

They are so concerned for 'her' safety that they release false information to aid the public in helping locating 'her'. That is the problem with radical gender theory. It is having a real negative impact on normal basic society and because it might hurt this guys feelings that we call him a male.

If they really wanted to find this person for their own safety, would identify him as he actually is so that the public can aid the authorities in finding this person for his own safety.
How would it affect your life, or anyone's life for that matter if he was identified as a male that may dress as a female?

 

[coldseat]

I assume they released this in order to help people identify the person that is wanted so they could find the person. So, does that not stand to reason that you release an actual factual description so that they can be identified? Here is the press release from the 'police':

The Toronto Police Service requests the public's assistance locating a missing woman.

Isobella Degrace, 27, was last seen on Saturday, June 25, 2022, at 3 a.m., in the Ryerson Avenue and Bathurst Street area.

She is described as 5’10", with a thin build, shaggy blonde hair, and a full goatee. She was last seen wearing a black t-shirt and grey pants.

Police are concerned for her safety.

They are so concerned for 'her' safety that they release false information to aid the public in helping locating 'her'. That is the problem with radical gender theory. It is having a real negative impact on normal basic society and because it might hurt this guys feelings that we call him a male.

If they really wanted to find this person for their own safety, would identify him as he actually is so that the public can aid the authorities in finding this person for his own safety.
How would it affect your life, or anyone's life for that matter if he was identified as a male that may dress as a female?

The police found this person within 9 hours of posting that tweet. I don't think it hurt the search. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[Farb]

The police found this person within 9 hours of posting that tweet. I don't think it hurt the search. A picture is worth a thousand words.

9 hours is a long time for a missing person. Do we know this was not sent via text as well without a picture, like I an amber alert? That would change things quite a bit.

 

[MT15]

9 hours is a long time for a missing person. Do we know this was not sent via text as well without a picture, like I an amber alert? That would change things quite a bit.

9 hours is a long time? Got any data to show that?

The description said a full goatee. You are just making up stuff to be outraged about at this point. Gotta be, nobody is this sensitive to what other people say about stuff.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I assume they released this in order to help people identify the person that is wanted so they could find the person. So, does that not stand to reason that you release an actual factual description so that they can be identified? Here is the press release from the 'police':

The Toronto Police Service requests the public's assistance locating a missing woman.

Isobella Degrace, 27, was last seen on Saturday, June 25, 2022, at 3 a.m., in the Ryerson Avenue and Bathurst Street area.

She is described as 5’10", with a thin build, shaggy blonde hair, and a full goatee. She was last seen wearing a black t-shirt and grey pants.

Police are concerned for her safety.

They are so concerned for 'her' safety that they release false information to aid the public in helping locating 'her'. That is the problem with radical gender theory. It is having a real negative impact on normal basic society and because it might hurt this guys feelings that we call him a male.

If they really wanted to find this person for their own safety, would identify him as he actually is so that the public can aid the authorities in finding this person for his own safety.
How would it affect your life, or anyone's life for that matter if he was identified as a male that may dress as a female?

They put an accurate physical description as well as her name and pronouns. That is an accurate and factual description. Should the police lie? What if they described this person as as a man and someone found them.

"Hey, there's a missing man. Are you him?"

"No, I'm female."

"Cool, my bad. I hope we find the guy."

 

[Farb]

They put an accurate physical description as well as her name and pronouns. That is an accurate and factual description. Should the police lie? What if they described this person as as a man and someone found them.

"Hey, there's a missing man. Are you him?"

"No, I'm female."

"Cool, my bad. I hope we find the guy."

The cops did lie. That is a man not a female. Literally anyone on the planet could tell you that....every single one from ages 2 up. The only thing accurate about that description is that the dude had a goatee and his height and weight. The name and sex were a lie in order to make this guy with obvious mental problems feel better over the actual duty of service to the community.
Truth is more important than self-affirmation, always.