All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[SystemShock]

I've backed up what I've said.

You didn't, but it is what it is. I'll let others read what was posted and make their own judgements.

 

[coldseat]

The cops did lie. That is a man not a female. Literally anyone on the planet could tell you that....every single one from ages 2 up. The only thing accurate about that description is that the dude had a goatee and his height and weight. The name and sex were a lie in order to make this guy with obvious mental problems feel better over the actual duty of service to the community.
Truth is more important than self-affirmation, always.

I don't know how reliable this link is, but apparently she was actually a cis-gendered woman that may have a condition that makes her grow facial hair. I couldn't find any other links to stories about his tweet that weren't just reaction deriding the police for calling a man a woman. So I don't know if it's true, take if for what it's worth.

If she was indeed a cis-gendered woman, should police have described her as a male to make people seeing the tweet feel better about the accompanying picture?

https://www.jordanthrilla.com/post/missing-toronto-woman-isobella-degrace-mugshot-with-goatee-beard-goes-viral/

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The cops did lie. That is a man not a female. Literally anyone on the planet could tell you that....every single one from ages 2 up. The only thing accurate about that description is that the dude had a goatee and his height and weight. The name and sex were a lie in order to make this guy with obvious mental problems feel better over the actual duty of service to the community.
Truth is more important than self-affirmation, always.

If the physical description was accurate, why are you complaining about the rest? Isn't an accurate physical description the most important part of identifying a person you've never met?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You didn't, but it is what it is. I'll let others read what was posted and make their own judgements.

I'm sure you are familiar with Hitchen's Razor. It's in full effect re: your position.

 

[SystemShock]

I'm sure you are familiar with Hitchen's Razor. It's in full effect re: your position.

I'm very familiar with it. I didn't think most educated adults needed evidence that the Iberian peninsula was known as Hispania, or that MX was in North America, or that the terms "hispanic" and "latino" were not created in the U.S. in the 1970's and 1990's. But I assumed too much... my bad.

 

[coldseat]

I'm very familiar with it. I didn't think most educated adults needed evidence that the Iberian peninsula was known as Hispania, or that MX was in North America, or that the terms "hispanic" and "latino" were not created in the U.S. in the 1970's and 1990's. But I assumed too much... my bad.

Do you not recognize anything that happened in the '70's, '90's ect. with regards to those words in the US and how they were used?

I know you're hung up on my use of the word "created" in my first response post, but certainly you're able to recognize the more widespread/popular dissemination of those words and meaning during those eras I mentioned in the US and how they were adapted for a more broader meaning to try to unify/create a political base. It's not like it's a secrete, and I would assume that you being educated would be able to recognize that. The way you frame your argument is like the word was created in the 1800's, used by everybody widely and has never changed. Really, it just seems like you're being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate, which is something you have a tendency to do.

 

[Farb]

I don't know how reliable this link is, but apparently she was actually a cis-gendered woman that may have a condition that makes her grow facial hair. I couldn't find any other links to stories about his tweet that weren't just reaction deriding the police for calling a man a woman. So I don't know if it's true, take if for what it's worth.

If she was indeed a cis-gendered woman, should police have described her as a male to make people seeing the tweet feel better about the accompanying picture?

https://www.jordanthrilla.com/post/missing-toronto-woman-isobella-degrace-mugshot-with-goatee-beard-goes-viral/

I find that hard to believe. It was in canada and I believe it is criminal to 'mis-gender' someone, so if she was cis-gendered female that was a trans-male, they would have called whatever it is, a male, because that is how whatever identifies.

 

[Farb]

If the physical description was accurate, why are you complaining about the rest? Isn't an accurate physical description the most important part of identifying a person you've never met?

That looks like a female to you? It doesn't. Public safety demands actual facts grounded in realty, not how someone with a mental disorder thinks of themselves.

 

[coldseat]

I find that hard to believe. It was in canada and I believe it is criminal to 'mis-gender' someone, so if she was cis-gendered female that was a trans-male, they would have called whatever it is, a male, because that is how whatever identifies.

That makes no sense. Calling someone a trans-male who is a trans-male is not misgendering them. And if this person is a cis-gendered female, then by definition she would not be a trans-male.

But you didn't answer my question. If this is a cis-gendered female with a condition that makes her grow facial hair (let's say hypothetically since we don't know), should the police have labeled her a male in the tweet to make those looking at the accompanying picture feel better or so that their won't be confusion or a cynical reaction by some?

 

[Farb]

What if she was a non-binary cis gendered pan-sexual furry bipoc that identifies as a popsicle? That is the about the same thing you asked me.

If it was a female that thought she was a guy and grew facial hair due to chemicals put into the body, they the Canadian police would be sure to call her a him due to their laws (I think).

 

[samiam5211]

What if she was a non-binary cis gendered pan-sexual furry bipoc that identifies as a popsicle?

You would refer to them as they.

It's really not hard to figure out.

 

[Saintamaniac]

The cops did lie. That is a man not a female. Literally anyone on the planet could tell you that....every single one from ages 2 up. The only thing accurate about that description is that the dude had a goatee and his height and weight. The name and sex were a lie in order to make this guy with obvious mental problems feel better over the actual duty of service to the community.
Truth is more important than self-affirmation, always.

I have no dog in this fight. I just wanted to point out the habitual lying is also a mental problem. I agree completely that the truth is always more important than self-affirmation. Sometimes, the desire to be right clouds a person's ability to tell when they are lying or being truthful.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[coldseat]

What if she was a non-binary cis gendered pan-sexual furry bipoc that identifies as a popsicle? That is the about the same thing you asked me.

If it was a female that thought she was a guy and grew facial hair due to chemicals put into the body, they the Canadian police would be sure to call her a him due to their laws (I think).

So you're not going to answer my hypothetical because it poses a logical contradiction in what you've already stated.

You can just say that instead of continuing to deflect.

 

[Farb]

You would refer to them as they.

It's really not hard to figure out.

You would refer to them they. I on the other hand will refer to them as I see them. You know, in my truth and all.

 

[Farb]

I have no dog in this fight. I just wanted to point out the habitual lying is also a mental problem. I agree completely that the truth is always more important than self-affirmation. Sometimes, the desire to be right clouds a person's ability to tell when they are lying or being truthful.

I don't think the police force is lying. I think they are following their laws. So, I think you are right, the political leaders appear to be liars.

 

[samiam5211]

You would refer to them they. I on the other hand will refer to them as I see them. You know, in my truth and all.

So you identify as an butt crevasse.

 

[Farb]

So you're not going to answer my hypothetical because it poses a logical contradiction in what you've already stated.

You can just say that instead of continuing to deflect.

You didn't answer mine either did you? Why? Because answering a hypothetical in an instance where it is not grounded in reality, solved what?
This is a biological male that for some reason thinks he is a woman, despite not even going through any effort to even look feminine. So how is that good for the community to list him as a female on public announcement when you are asking the public's help in locating him?
Who does that actually help? Serious question. Who does this type of blind faith in gender theory that was developed a few decades ago by a child predator/groomer actually help? Does it help the trans community? Once a trans person is affirmed by society shouldn't the suicide rates go down? Have they? Trans people are more accepted now than EVER before. They are not only accepted, they are celebrated. Why are there still high rates of suicide?