All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

Most of this is bull crap. Just so you know.

Can you tell me what and why this bull crap, or just a drive by?

 

[Farb]

What you have just done is read one side of the story and swallow it whole without even considering that there might be more to the story. What if, just as a possibility, the parents are abusive? Can a school counselor then do their job in talking to a student without the parents in attendance? Schools talk to kids everyday without parents in attendance. Sometimes sexual things come up. Sometimes kids beg the school not to tell their parents what they have said because they just might get punished either physically or emotionally for it. We don’t know nearly enough about this story to be taking sides and child abuse is fairly common, whether you want to admit it or not.

I think it’s shameful that the sources you read are willing to take these stories and politicize them. I think you are either extremely gullible or fine with using these kids for political fodder.

This is the same same tired argument of rape and incest in the abortion debate or a hermaphrodite in the trans argument. Excessively rare.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And this is what's being said on the other side
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EXCLUSIVE — Imagine a scenario in which your child comes home from school and tells you that they now identify as “pansexual.”

Or, while telling you about the school day, your child mentions that he or she was told he or she was gay based on a test a teacher gave them.

Or you discover he or she was recruited by a teacher to lead a gay and transgender student club but was instructed not to tell any parents because “what happens in the student club, stays in the club.”

These are the alarming contents of a packet distributed by the California Teachers Association regarding the formation of gay and transgender clubs in schools.

The packet acts as an instructional guide on propagandizing students with gay and transgender information.

One of the most disturbing parts is the recommendation for these clubs in elementary schools, where children are 10 years old or younger.

Another concerning section focuses on teachers proactively recruiting students to be leaders of these clubs.

It provides a section for teachers to list the names of the students they think would be interested.

This particular packet was from a previous California Teachers Association LGBTQ+ Issues Conference.

The packet also asks teachers to list supporters and enemies of these clubs. One section is dedicated to listing the names of allies who “would support this project.”

Another section is provided to identify any existential threats to the club and to list those who could be a “barrier to your success.”............

MSN

 

[Farb]

"A child in my class came out to me" is nowhere near the same thing as "a creepy adult discussing my sexuality with me at the age of 9," no matter how much you want it to be.

20 of the 32? That is creepy

 

[Farb]

I think the father is lying and a right wing activist. I think the 12-year old was trying to come out as trans and was seeking help because they knew their father is a rightwing nut. If the child did attempt suicide, that wouldn't be a surprise being raised in that environment given what they were dealing with.

So you take the school at their word, but not the parents. That is normal for those that feel children belong to the state and not to parents.

If the father is a right wing activist, could it not also be true that the school/teacher is left wing activists?

 

[Farb]

I replied to your comment about four year olds. I think the fact that you can't reply to my response about what four year olds are being taught without having to immediately conflate it with your other posts about other children speaks volumes. You're demonstrating you can't focus on any particular aspect of your argument, because no aspect of your argument can stand up to any reasonable scrutiny.

That said, as far as your links go, if you'd actually read the articles you'd posted, you'd already know that your representation of them is wrong. For example, your abcnews link explicitly quotes the parent as having given permission for a boy's name to be used for attendance purposes, following a meeting with them. Even if you take the parent's account as not in itself misleading, by their own account, they were involved and that was not kept from them.

The article also states that:

Under state and federal law, however, students have privacy rights that extend to sexual orientation and gender identity, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Only in limited circumstances can a school notify a parent of their child’s sexual identity against their wishes.​

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“Outside of school, these students may similarly face potential hostility at home because of who they are,” said attorney Peter Renn of Lambda Legal. “For example, involuntarily outing a student as LGBTQ to their parents can very well lead to them getting kicked out of the home in some circumstances.”​

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So, if you'd actually read it, you would have some understanding of not only what the policies are, but why they are too.

Or you can carry on believing every half-baked claim you read, ignoring anything that conflicts with them, and posting easily refuted nonsense here. Not sure why you'd want to do that though. Have you considered taking up a hobby?

Or, we can discuss the laws that being enacted country wide that will make is the schools responsibility to inform the parents about the kids indoctrination. It is precisely the point of these laws because the ACLU (now a garbage, openly political organization sadly) wants the school to have to control over your kids, not parents. That is a standard view on the left. Parents are just now finally seeing it and pushing back and will win landslides because of it.

You can teach sexual identity with Barnie the dinosaur for all I care, it is still grooming. A pedophile doesn't relate to a child with psychology textbooks and papers about sexual deviations, they do it by 'getting on their level'. So how the subject is discussed only carries weight when the subject is appropriate. Gender identity and sexual preferences is not appropriate for 3rd grade and below (just like the law says).

 

[MT15]

So you take the school at their word, but not the parents. That is normal for those that feel children belong to the state and not to parents.

If the father is a right wing activist, could it not also be true that the school/teacher is left wing activists?

I’m glad you are admitting that we don’t know the truth in this case. That’s a little progress.

Answers to other posts: almost every single statement in that one post was BS. You can look up the actual facts and refute me if you want.

Child abuse is definitely NOT rare, let alone excessively rare. It’s depressingly common, actually. 7.9 million children were reported to CPS in 2019, and that is probably an undercount.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf

Oh, and I know I’ve posted this before but rape resulting in pregnancy isn’t “exceedingly rare” either. 32,000 just over the age of 18 alone.

“Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year.”

 

[Farb]

Fitting you into a box isn't a laborious task. Whatever your beliefs and experiences have been it has forged you into the culture warrior we see endlessly arguing social issues on this forum.

Yes. I agree. I prefer the term 'slayer of stupid' but 'culture warrior' will work too.

 

[Farb]

It's so ironic that so many righties are latching onto the "grooming" narrative now that it is being deliberately pushed by those anti-gay groups... they're *being* groomed by those groups and they're all too dim to notice it.

Will you explain the 'don't say gay bill' next???

 

[MT15]

Or, we can discuss the laws that being enacted country wide that will make is the schools responsibility to inform the parents about the kids indoctrination. It is precisely the point of these laws because the ACLU (now a garbage, openly political organization sadly) wants the school to have to control over your kids, not parents. That is a standard view on the left. Parents are just now finally seeing it and pushing back and will win landslides because of it.

You can teach sexual identity with Barnie the dinosaur for all I care, it is still grooming. A pedophile doesn't relate to a child with psychology textbooks and papers about sexual deviations, they do it by 'getting on their level'. So how the subject is discussed only carries weight when the subject is appropriate. Gender identity and sexual preferences is not appropriate for 3rd grade and below (just like the law says).

You are misrepresenting the ACLU’s stance. They want kids to have the ability to seek counseling on their own, they are protecting the rights of kids not the schools.

 

[Farb]

I think there’s an explanation that makes sense here. Of course it’s totally speculation on my part, but keeping that in mind, my guess is that he actually does read about these stories but doesn’t want to post the article he actually read. So he searches for the MSM coverage and posts it without reading it.

I usually just google something and I try and find a source that you in particular will be ok clicking on. So, in short, your welcome.

 

[Farb]

I’m glad you are admitting that we don’t know the truth in this case. That’s a little progress.

Answers to other posts: almost every single statement in that one post was BS. You can look up the actual facts and refute me if you want.

Child abuse is definitely NOT rare, let alone excessively rare. It’s depressingly common, actually. 7.9 million children were reported to CPS in 2019, and that is probably an undercount.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf

Not my job to prove, remember. I made a statement, you said it was a lie, the onus is on you to site and prove my statement is incorrect. Is that not how it works here? I was told repeatedly that it was.

 

[Farb]

You are misrepresenting the ACLU’s stance. They want kids to have the ability to seek counseling on their own, they are protecting the rights of kids not the schools.

Honestly, at this point in its existence, it would be hard to misrepresent anything the ACLU has states. Pure garbage. It was once a wonderful institution and rightfully respected,now....meh

 

[V Chip]

Will you explain the 'don't say gay bill' next???

Nah, that's been done many times here already. Unless you're saying that my take carries more weight to you than others....

But it's funny seeing "grooming" use exploding over the past couple weeks -- people who never used it before all of a sudden tossing it out more than a high schooler saying "like, ..." in an oral presentation.

 

[Farb]

Rob, this IS his hobby, lol.

So says the people that have double the amount of my posts. SMH.

 

[MT15]

I usually just google something and I try and find a source that you in particular will be ok clicking on. So, in short, your welcome.

So you are reading the story somewhere else and then trying to find a source? Maybe you should read the article and then compare it to what your source says before posting?

 

[MT15]

So says the people that have double the amount of my posts. SMH.

I didn’t say it wasn’t my hobby too, lol.

 

[Farb]

I didn’t say it wasn’t my hobby too, lol.

LOL, fair enough.