2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Snarky Sack]

You can complain about Democrats and make fun of all of the trans people you want to,

Okay, maybe I made fun of Dylan mulvaney. Do you think Dylan is trans?

Trans people who are activist for the cause of transgenderization of children, need to check themselves and develop some self-awareness.

When they say absurd things like doctors try to figure out what gender a baby is when it is born, but they sometimes make mistakes, that makes thim sound ridiculous. When they follow that up with oh and that's what I will tell my preschool class tomorrow, then they look like groomers as well as fools.

Most Americans will be very sympathetic if people call for nothing more than acceptance of themselves by others. But when they start going after children, women's safety, and women's sports, they should know that they are provoking a backlash, unless they are also complete idiots.

 

[efil4]

the fact that you are proud of that says a lot about his fanboys..

I can almost bet that HE isnt funneling his money to Trump.

Why not?

because he knows.

 

[coldseat]

I cannot speak for all republicans, because Republicans are not a homogeneous group. There is a split between Trumpets and never Trumpets and smaller factions among those two groups.

However, there is a set of stated goals common to most Reps. They would be more widely known if not for all the noise created by the weaponized government going after Trump.

They include securing the border, focusing on education not indoctrination in schools, reducing regulation of our personal lives and the economy and slowing the borrow and spend train wreck.

Reasonable Republicans who want to talk about these issues are asked instead about Trump.

I fear that the obsession with Trump will not die with him.

Okay. That's what you and other Republicans want. Other people/groups want other things. In a pluralistic society like we have, those wants sometimes oppose each other. How should our government function in this environment of a pluralistic society with competing wants?

In the past, it was understood here in the US that compromise is the way that our functioning government would balance those wants. But now, the majority of Republicans such as yourself demonize comprise. When Republicans do it, you call it "knuckling under Democrats". So how exactly is government supposed to function? Do you believe it's best for only your faction to control and make all decision on how government is run regardless of competing wants from other factions of our society?

 

[DaveXA]

Okay. That's what you and other Republicans want. Other people/groups want other things. In a pluralistic society like we have, those wants sometimes oppose each other. How should our government function in this environment of a pluralistic society with competing wants?

In the past, it was understood here in the US that compromise is the way that our functioning government would balance those wants. But now, the majority of Republicans such as yourself demonize comprise. When Republicans do it, you call is "knuckling under Democrats". So how exactly is government supposed to function? Do you believe it's best for only your faction to control and make all decision on how government is run regardless of competing wants from other factions of our society?

Yep, compromise to Republicans feels like agreeing to all of their demands or get nothing, at least a lot of the time.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Okay, maybe I made fun of Dylan mulvaney. Do you think Dylan is trans?

Trans people who are activist for the cause of transgenderization of children, need to check themselves and develop some self-awareness.

When they say absurd things like doctors try to figure out what gender a baby is when it is born, but they sometimes make mistakes, that makes thim sound ridiculous. When they follow that up with oh and that's what I will tell my preschool class tomorrow, then they look like groomers as well as fools.

Most Americans will be very sympathetic if people call for nothing more than acceptance of themselves by others. But when they start going after children, women's safety, and women's sports, they should know that they are provoking a backlash, unless they are also complete idiots.

Obviously you don’t know this - but there are cases where the baby’s gender isn’t obvious at birth. It’s rare, but then so are trans people. You look ridiculous when you spout off about things you don’t know anything about, imo.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Okay. That's what you and other Republicans want. Other people/groups want other things. In a pluralistic society like we have, those wants sometimes oppose each other. How should our government function in this environment of a pluralistic society with competing wants?

Through election of representatives, and a president, and through decisions made by the majority of those representative, in partnership with the president.

Without interference from weaponized government agencies.

In the past, it was understood here in the US that compromise is the way that our functioning government would balance those wants. But now, the majority of Republicans such as yourself demonize comprise. When Republicans do it, you call it "knuckling under Democrats". So how exactly is government supposed to function?

The Republicans who knuckle under are the ones who - even when the GOP has the majority of both houses - consistently give the Democrats what they want, instead of doing as they promised voters as the election approached. They seem to fear bad press more than the wrath of the voters. This is especially true of Reps in GOP strongholds who have enough sway in their district or state to scare off any primary challenge.

Do you believe it's best for only your faction to control and make all decision on how government is run regardless of competing wants from other factions of our society?

Not at all. Let politicians with plans to improve the country's well-being compete in the marketplace of ideas.

 

[coldseat]

Through election of representatives, and a president, and through decisions made by the majority of those representative, in partnership with the president.

That's exactly what happens, except that you and other Republicans demonize that process as corrupt and unjust when Republicans lose.

Without interference from weaponized government agencies.

Government agencies are part of the executive branch and ultimately run by the elected president. Government agencies were given the powers to do so through an elected congress.

The Republicans who knuckle under are the ones who - even when the GOP has the majority of both houses - consistently give the Democrats what they want, instead of doing as they promised voters as the election approached. They seem to fear bad press more than the wrath of the voters. This is especially true of Reps in GOP strongholds who have enough sway in their district or state to scare off any primary challenge.

So in otherwards, you are opposed to any sort of compromise. Your and the Republican parties inflexibility inevitably leads to war within our society.

Not at all. Let politicians with plans to improve the country's well-being compete in the marketplace of ideas.

They do already, but Republicans call the election process corrupt and unfair without evidence. So how are they supposed to compete? Through right wing mandates? That's not competing.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Obviously you don’t know this - but there are cases where the baby’s gender isn’t obvious at birth. It’s rare,

Yes, very.

And of course I'm not talking about those cases, because neither was that teacher. He was talking about doctors "mistakenly" assigning the gender "boy," or the sex "male," to a baby with clearly male sex organs. That is no mistake. But I guess that why those doctors are doctors, and he is a dude with a five o'clock shadow and lipstick making a donkey of himself on the internet..

but then so are trans people. You look ridiculous when you spout off about things you don’t know anything about, imo.

I agree that trans people are rare, if you mean people who truly have Gender Dysphoria as described in the DSM-V. They truly have a mental condition that makes their lives difficult and very often have other mental disorders that are frequently comorbid with Gender Dysphoria, depression or autism being very common.

I would never, ever make fun of them. I've dedicated the last two decades of my life to children with mental disorders.

What is no longer so rare are people who make little effort to appear to be the opposite gender, men with long, hair, and full beards for example. Yet, they expect to be allowed into women's (and girls) private areas without comment, and to play on women's sports teams.





Ever see a transwoman in public?

If so, how did you know she was a transwoman?

Exactly.

 

[Snarky Sack]

That's exactly what happens, except that you and other Republicans demonize that process as corrupt and unjust when Republicans lose.



Government agencies are part of the executive branch and ultimately run by the elected president.

Yes, and Trump's biggest mistake was not to clean house at the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, agencies whose leadership were nearly entirely Obama appointees or hires of Obama appointees. He realized too late the extent of those people's hatred for him and their willingness to use their powers against him.

Not to worry, neither he nor DeSantis will make that mistake again.

Government agencies were given the powers to do so through an elected congress.

Yet they feel perfectly safe in defying congress. Congress should use its power of the purse to defund the FBI, and reign in the DOJ.

So in otherwards, you are opposed to any sort of compromise. Your and the Republican parties inflexibility inevitably leads to war within our society.

Never said I was opposed to any sort of compromise.

They do already, but Republicans call the election process corrupt and unfair without evidence. So how are they supposed to compete? Through right wing mandates? That's not competing.

They don't compete in the marketplace of ideas when they are banned from public platforms and harassed by so-called law-enforcement agencies running ops against them.

 

[coldseat]

Yes, and Trump's biggest mistake was not to clean house at the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, agencies whose leadership were nearly entirely Obama appointees or hires of Obama appointees. He realized too late the extent of those people's hatred for him and their willingness to use their powers against him.

Not to worry, neither he nor DeSantis will make that mistake again.

Presidents don't clean houses in government agencies. There are civil service protections for that reason. Trump had the same power as all presidents to appoint his political appointments to lead those agencies, and he did. The whole DOJ, FBI, IRS crap complaint is irrelevant in this discussion.

Yet they feel perfectly safe in defying congress. Congress should use its power of the purse to defund the FBI, and reign in the DOJ.

We already have a process to deal with that. It's called the judicial system. Congress could also pass additional laws to limit a government agencies power. What's apparent is that you have no faith in any aspect of our country/government, no matter how foundational.

Never said I was opposed to any sort of compromise.

You don't have too. Everything you say is opposed to compromise.

They don't compete in the marketplace of ideas when they are banned from public platforms and harassed by so-called law-enforcement agencies running ops against them.

Yeah sure. Like the right wing in this country doesn't have a whole media landscape to push out their conspiracies about law enforcement.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Presidents don't clean houses in government agencies. There are civil service protections for that reason.

Thus you contradict your claim that presidents run federal agencies.

Federal agencies are filled with entitled entrenched bureaucrats, they are not agents of the president.

You don't have too. Everything you say is opposed to compromise.

I look forward to your answer on another thread to my question about compromise.

Take your time, though.

 

[coldseat]

Thus you contradict your claim that presidents run federal agencies.

No, I don't. As I said, the president appoints the political appointments that run said agencies in congruence with the presidents policies and authorities. Of course, the president doesn't have absolute control. Those government agencies still have to follow the laws of our country. Every president has the same power.

Federal agencies are filled with entitled entrenched bureaucrats, they are not agents of the president.

That's your opinion, but those entitled bureaucrats are just American citizens working for the government.

 

[Optimus Prime]

just replace "New Hampshire voters" with "people"

The more New Hampshire voters see of DeSantis, the less they like him: polling

His support may be dwindling because of Trump's indictment, DeSantis' position on abortion, or simply his lack of charisma.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

I mistakenly read the headline as "RFK Jr. to Hold Event With, Doctor Who, Says COVID Vaccine Makes Forks Stick to Your Body." I did the cartoon double-take head shake while thinking "what the hell is Doctor Who doing at an event with RFK Jr.?"

 

[MT15]

Yes, and Trump's biggest mistake was not to clean house at the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, agencies whose leadership were nearly entirely Obama appointees or hires of Obama appointees. He realized too late the extent of those people's hatred for him and their willingness to use their powers against him.

Not to worry, neither he nor DeSantis will make that mistake again.

Yet they feel perfectly safe in defying congress. Congress should use its power of the purse to defund the FBI, and reign in the DOJ.

Never said I was opposed to any sort of compromise.

They don't compete in the marketplace of ideas when they are banned from public platforms and harassed by so-called law-enforcement agencies running ops against them.

You really have zero clue what you are talking about here. Dave knows a lot about the civil service, and you are completely off base.

 

[MT15]

Thus you contradict your claim that presidents run federal agencies.

Federal agencies are filled with entitled entrenched bureaucrats, they are not agents of the president.


I look forward to your answer on another thread to my question about compromise.

Take your time, though.

Which is it? Were Federal agencies chock full of Obama-appointed people, or are they full of entrenched bureaucrats who are not agents of the President?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Which is it? Were Federal agencies chock full of Obama-appointed people, or are they full of entrenched bureaucrats who are not agents of the President?

The upper levels were the Obama-appointees, and the mid-level were the entrenched bureaucrats.

Trumps mistake was thinking he could appoint one or two key people and they would take care of the rest. But they were Republicans, so - as I was discussing in another thread - they compromised until the other side had all that they wanted.

Republicans compromise like the French surrender: immediately and unconditionally.