2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[DaveXA]

Don't worry. I don't need a travel advisory. Made my decision a long time ago...

‘Beware, your life is not valued’: NAACP travel advisory warns Florida is ‘openly hostile toward African Americans’ | CNN

Another advocacy group is warning people of color about traveling to Florida.

www.cnn.com

Yep, I'm with you and I'm not even AA. Lol. As long as that idiot is their governor, I'm not going there for any reason.

 

[superchuck500]

DeSantis disavowed "knowing" Lev Parnas. New report found 63 text messages between the two men.

Exclusive: Texts tie DeSantis closely to Trump insider Lev Parnas in 2018 race

Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas and his business partner were arrested in 2019, accused by the U.S. government of funneling a Russian oligarch’s money into American political campaigns. One recipient of Parnas’ donations -- Florida Governor Ron DeSantis -- has said he was barely an...

www.reuters.com

 

[MT15]

What’s this? Oh, just Ted Cruz being wrong again. It takes a special level of hubris for Ted freaking Cruz to assume he knows what MLK would have felt about the NAACP today.

 

[MT15]

Just saw this today on “No Labels”. I sure hope this group doesn’t fool anyone.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

I believe this as well:

 

[Saintman2884]

The Democrats position on abortion has been the same for the last 40 years, that abortions should be safe and legal and that woman should have bodily autonomy to make their own choice. Given that this exactly what most voters vote for when given the chance (even many Republicans), I don't see how their position has gotten more extreme.

We were all assured up until 2016 that there was no way Roy v. Wade would be overturned. But then Trump became president, the conservatives justices on the SC all lied during their Senate confirmation hearing, and with McConnel's unethical power grab Lenard Leo and his Federalist Societies 40 year plan became reality. Yay, Republicans!



Because you already know why. The Southern strategy. Republicans played on Southerners racist attitudes for power and succeeded in turning the south into a Republican stronghold. They also succeeded in turning us into a more racist society. Yay, Republicans again!



Not sure what this has to do with anything, but if you're looking at me to defend the extremes of other religions, you're barking up the wrong tree. They all have the same problems, it's just Christianity's extremes are much more present in US society and more detrimental here. That's why there's a focus on it.

If you’ve been paying attention to what’s been going on since 2001, you’d know that radical fundamentalist Islam has been just as much a systemic issue worldwide and even here in the USA. The thing is, Hollywood would likely be a lot more reluctant to make a “Handmaid’s Tale” styled-Islamic show because they know they might be accused of being, “Islamaphobes”, or accused by Muslim groups as being narrow-minded bigots. It’s an easier, worthwhile target to go after fundamentalist Christianity then take on ISIS, Hamas, or Hezbollah or some radicalized, Muslim group if you make a TV series that hits them on the chin pretty hard, too.

I have no problem going after fundamentalist Christians, but let’s be honest, for the longest time, they’ve been easier, more convenient targets to go after then let’s say other relevant radical Islamic offshoots where if you mock them or harass them by insulting their religion, your office might get death threats, bomb threats, or some nightclub in Paris gets attacked by radical Islamic terrorists in 2015?

 

[Saintman2884]

When a poll appears to be an outlier, it should be questioned.

Let me try this again: what do you think better represents the will of the people, a poll or the actual results of voters who are voting in referendums on abortion rights?

But do go on telling me what I am, because you don’t agree with me and then chiding me for pointing out facts to you.

Depends on what the poll is asking: is the question general or more specific? Not all pro-lifers, BTW, supported complete abolition of abortion, some just wanted to ban late-term abortions, or leave open options for cases of rape, incest, or sexual assault. That’s why there’s been a backlash in even red states with these referendums because they feel the GOP’s position has gone even further then what they supported or initially intended. Some pro-lifers are more pragmatic or realistic about abortion than pro-life zealots.

It’s not some morally absolutist situation. Even I’ve known that from the beginning and my own position on abortion is that I’m kind of a default pro-choice.

 

[Saintman2884]

Prove me wrong then DJ? Other than being just smug and post emojis, show me where I’m completely off-base and there’s not a sliver of truth to what I said above.

My perspective on these issues isn’t too different from what the very right-wing Bill Maher opined on about on his “Real Talk” show about a decade ago and got called a bigot to his face by Ben Affleck and got raked over the coals by certain parts of the MSM.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I believe this as well:

Trump states that Ron DeSantis is unelectable.
I think he should look at reality and realize that with his Jan 6 baggage, Stormy Daniels baggage and so much more....HE....Donald Trump is unelectable.
For half a year I've heard DeSantis will officially enter the race "by May"
May is slipping away.
Possibly he'll announce tomorrow or surely before the weekend?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Prove me wrong then DJ? Other than being just smug and post emojis, show me where I’m completely off-base and there’s not a sliver of truth to what I said above.

My perspective on these issues isn’t too different from what the very right-wing Bill Maher opined on about on his “Real Talk” show about a decade ago and got called a bigot to his face by Ben Affleck and got raked over the coals by certain parts of the MSM.

Well, since you asked.

Your whole assertion is based off of the little bubble in. There are plenty of TV shows that feature radical fundamentalist Islam: Homeland, 24, Tyrant, Strike Back; just to name a few and won’t even try to list the countless movies. Hollywood’s aversion to creating a TV series about radical fundamentalist Islam isn’t because of its fear of pissing off Muslims, it’s about the lack of source material, an audience and money!

Your “Handmaid” reference is the main reason that made me laugh. That entire series is made from a book series and American authors tend to write what they are familiar with and their publishers are interested in catering to an audience that will make them the most money. The same could be said for Hollywood, do you believe that TV series would have been as successful had Samir Wiley been the lead and not Elizabeth Moss? I think not. Ask Amandla Stenberg how her casting in the Hunger Games went.

You are trying to paint these radical fundamentalist Christians as victims when they are not; they are just 1 step from being equal to radical fundamentalist Islamist. They have already engaged in domestic terrorism, they just need to take their show on the road.

 

[Saintman2884]

Well, since you asked.

Your whole assertion is based off of the little bubble in. There are plenty of TV shows that feature radical fundamentalist Islam: Homeland, 24, Tyrant, Strike Back; just to name a few and won’t even try to list the countless movies. Hollywood’s aversion to creating a TV series about radical fundamentalist Islam isn’t because of its fear of pissing off Muslims, it’s about the lack of source material, an audience and money!

Your “Handmaid” reference is the main reason that made me laugh. That entire series is made from a book series and American authors tend to write what they are familiar with and their publishers are interested in catering to an audience that will make them the most money. The same could be said for Hollywood, do you believe that TV series would have been as successful had Samir Wiley been the lead and not Elizabeth Moss? I think not. Ask Amandla Stenberg how her casting in the Hunger Games went.

You are trying to paint these radical fundamentalist Christians as victims when they are not; they are just 1 step from being equal to radical fundamentalist Islamist. They have already engaged in domestic terrorism, they just need to take their show on the road.

They feature it but they don’t really discuss it in the same way as Handmaid’s Tale touches on fundamentalist Christianity, not even close. And bullshirt about the money, Hollywood has plenty of it and there’s an audience, we’ve been dealing with and fighting against radical Islam for over 20 years so it’s not like viewers aren’t aware. There is plenty of source material there, you can’t tell me there isn’t a little bit of trepidation about being labeled anti-Muslim, look at Charlie Hebdo, or what occurred to those Dutch cartoonists who mocked Muhummed’s 72 Virgins and got killed for it. Or remember South Park? I find your arguments that some Hollywood producers not being afraid or concerned about potential backlash showing a rigid, puritanical Islamic fundamentalist society like Iran in a TV series a little hard to believe, based on past incidents.

I’m not saying Christian fundamentalists are victims, but if they can rightfully take it on the chin, so can Islamic fundamentalists but Hollywood has shown reluctance because their too intellectually lazy, lack creativity or maybe as Bill Maher inferred, a little too scared. Maher triggered them in a way that even now makes me wonder if his comments cut too close to the bone.

The way 24, Homeland, and Strike Back displayed radical Islam doesn’t even come close to same depth as Handmaid’s Tale. Mostly relavent to the movies as well.

BTW, I’ve heard some rumors about how the role of Katniss Everdeen got cast and considering WHO the producer was and whose production company was running it, I’ve often wondered how true those allegations were taking into consideration what has come out about Harvey Weinstein and his harassment, assault of how many actresses over the past 35 years. He actually ruined more than a few aspiring actresses who refused to play his sick, perverted game, like Mira Sirvino.

Your argument about going with what will make Hollywood studios the most money still sounds like playing it safe and easy and not wanting to rock the boat too much. Also sounds a little too convenient and ready-made for my taste.

 

[brandon]

Trump states that Ron DeSantis is unelectable.
I think he should look at reality and realize that with his Jan 6 baggage, Stormy Daniels baggage and so much more....HE....Donald Trump is unelectable.

You are the textbook definition of naive, and you will help make him electable by refusing to vote for the democrat opposing him.

 

[Saintman2884]

You are the textbook definition of naive, and you will help make him electable by refusing to vote for the democrat opposing him.

Well, he’s right about Trump being unelectable. Even GOP senators are saying that now. The only problem is that DeSantis is also unelectable, but for different reasons based on policy decisions he’s made as Governor of Florida.

Trump will likely be the GOP’s front runner in 2024 but he’ll be leading an apathetic party whose rank-and-file don’t believe in anymore and view him as a loudmouth, toxic failure.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You are the textbook definition of naive, and you will help make him electable by refusing to vote for the democrat opposing him.

Exactly. He had the majority of this baggage in 2016 and it still didn't turn off the base. Hell, it made them bolder. He bragged about sexual assault and openly mocked a disabled man. I question the compassion of anyone that voted for him, including my own family.

 

[Saintman2884]

Exactly. He had the majority of this baggage in 2016 and it still didn't turn off the base. Hell, it made them bolder. He bragged about sexual assault and openly mocked a disabled man. I question the compassion of anyone that voted for him, including my own family.

Simple, they underestimated him and felt that his presidential run was a celebrity stunt and honestly, in some respects, in kind of was. Democrats and liberals in Washington also made the same mistake of underestimating him too, not recognizing they’re a larger, more toxic upswell supporting him then what it appeared at the time. If I had told you guys 11-12 years ago Trump would’ve been voted President, much less had a decent shot at it, I’d be laughed off this board or SR EE board.

Plus, HRC was and still is a far better presidential candidate but she was also heavily flawed in her own right, even some on the left didn’t like her or were suspicious of her intentions.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

They feature it but they don’t really discuss it in the same way as Handmaid’s Tale touches on fundamentalist Christianity, not even close. And bullshirt about the money, Hollywood has plenty of it and there’s an audience, we’ve been dealing with and fighting against radical Islam for over 20 years so it’s not like viewers aren’t aware. There is plenty of source material there, you can’t tell me there isn’t a little bit of trepidation about being labeled anti-Muslim, look at Charlie Hebdo, or what occurred to those Dutch cartoonists who mocked Muhummed’s 72 Virgins and got killed for it. Or remember South Park? I find your arguments that some Hollywood producers not being afraid or concerned about potential backlash showing a rigid, puritanical Islamic fundamentalist society like Iran in a TV series a little hard to believe, based on past incidents.

I’m not saying Christian fundamentalists are victims, but if they can rightfully take it on the chin, so can Islamic fundamentalists but Hollywood has shown reluctance because their too intellectually lazy, lack creativity or maybe as Bill Maher inferred, a little too scared. Maher triggered them in a way that even now makes me wonder if his comments cut too close to the bone.

The way 24, Homeland, and Strike Back displayed radical Islam doesn’t even come close to same depth as Handmaid’s Tale. Mostly relavent to the movies as well.

BTW, I’ve heard some rumors about how the role of Katniss Everdeen got cast and considering WHO the producer was and whose production company was running it, I’ve often wondered how true those allegations were taking into consideration what has come out about Harvey Weinstein and his harassment, assault of how many actresses over the past 35 years. He actually ruined more than a few aspiring actresses who refused to play his sick, perverted game, like Mira Sirvino.

Your argument about going with what will make Hollywood studios the most money still sounds like playing it safe and easy and not wanting to rock the boat too much. Also sounds a little too convenient and ready-made for my taste.

They feature it but they don’t really discuss it in the same way as Handmaid’s Tale touches on fundamentalist Christianity, not even close. And bullshirt about the money, Hollywood has plenty of it and there’s an audience, we’ve been dealing with and fighting against radical Islam for over 20 years so it’s not like viewers aren’t aware...

...The way 24, Homeland, and Strike Back displayed radical Islam doesn’t even come close to same depth as Handmaid’s Tale. Mostly relavent to the movies as well.

Where's the audience for a fictional fundamentalist Islamist TV series and who's gonna write that story? An American author/writer haven't shown they have the intimate insight to accurately portray what would make a fundamentalist Islamist.

A Muslim-American film writer? Do they even exists? And that's not meant as a slight to Muslim-American film writers, it's to make my point clearer to you. There isn't a large enough audience to justify a Hollywood producer to greenlight such a story.

I’m not saying Christian fundamentalists are victims, but if they can rightfully take it on the chin, so can Islamic fundamentalists but Hollywood has shown reluctance because their too intellectually lazy, lack creativity or maybe as Bill Maher inferred, a little too scared. Maher triggered them in a way that even now makes me wonder if his comments cut too close to the bone.

No, they take the same offense to criticism as their Islamic extremist brothers. They just have more government followers that keep them in the mainstream restraining them. The moment they lose that support is when they will begin getting more violent with their response to such criticism.

BTW, I’ve heard some rumors about how the role of Katniss Everdeen got cast and considering WHO the producer was and whose production company was running it, I’ve often wondered how true those allegations were taking into consideration what has come out about Harvey Weinstein and his harassment, assault of how many actresses over the past 35 years. He actually ruined more than a few aspiring actresses who refused to play his sick, perverted game, like Mira Sirvino.

Your response to my Handmaid/Hunger Games example shows me that you didn't even understand what I was talking about regarding these actresses. Amandla's story is just one of many examples of how a non-white actor/actress faced immense public backlash because they were cast in a role based off of a book where that person's ethnicity wasn't a part of the story.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Simple, they underestimated him and felt that his presidential run was a celebrity stunt and honestly, in some respects, in kind of was. Democrats and liberals in Washington also made the same mistake of underestimating him too, not recognizing they’re a larger, more toxic upswell supporting him then what it appeared at the time. If I had told you guys 11-12 years ago Trump would’ve been voted President, much less had a decent shot at it, I’d be laughed off this board or SR EE board.

Nah, we overestimated the Republican electorate.

Plus, HRC was and still is a far better presidential candidate but she was also heavily flawed in her own right, even some on the left didn’t like her or were suspicious of her intentions.

What are her Flaws? She's too driven, stiff and guarded? I sure hope you don't mean the fabricated ones the GOP has been propagating for over 30 years. Her character has been under attack since she became a clear threat to the GOP.