2024 GOP Presidential Race (7 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

...When I saw him speak in the past I thought he was very articulate.

Have you ever ONCE describe any other person, that was not black, in that particular manner?

Powell, Obama, Rice x2, Harris, etc.

All of them had to deal with that condescending praise as if those extending it was genuinely shocked that they can form a complete sentence without sounding like they just came off of the streets.

 

[DaveXA]

And who in the hell would that be lol? Certainly no one with an actual shot at the nomination.

There just isn't an appetite amongst Republicans nationally for a moderate candidate. They're collectively way too sucked up in culture wars and all that bullshirt to nominate a moderate who openly doesn't give much of a shirt about that stuff.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anyone remotely moderate. Just saying what I'd like to see.

 

[Booker]

For sure. shirt, I almost think they would shred him in the primaries now for being Mormon. Pretty sure it was a thing at least to some degree last time but I think it would be much more amplified and sharpened now.

After Trump I'd say those kinds of things are only an issue when they want them to be. What disqualifies him is he's not a raging culture warrior, i.e., a "RINO."

 

[DaveXA]

The irony is I think someone like Mitt Romney would be pretty palatable to most of the country, but the party has moved so far right that there's no way in hell he'd ever get the nomination again.

Yeah, I'd vote for Romney over anyone else in the running right now and wouldn't think twice about it. But even if he ran, he has no shot at the nomination.

 

[bdb13]

After Trump I'd say those kinds of things are only an issue when they want them to be. What disqualifies him is he's not a raging culture warrior, i.e., a "RINO."

For sure, let me phrase "He's not their kind of Mormon and therefore I think in addition to the RINO stuff they'd rip him apart for that too."

 

[Taurus]

You wish people were smatter?

At least a smattering of them...

 

[Optimus Prime]

The irony is I think someone like Mitt Romney would be pretty palatable to most of the country, but the party has moved so far right that there's no way in hell he'd ever get the nomination again.

I was pretty rough on Romney in 2012

I’d take him in a hot second now

I wouldn’t vote for him but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he won

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Have you ever ONCE describe any other person, that was not black, in that particular manner?

Powell, Obama, Rice x2, Harris, etc.

All of them had to deal with that condescending praise as if those extending it was genuinely shocked that they can form a complete sentence without sounding like they just came off of the streets.

Yes I have described guest speakers at various Professional Day events I've attended as "articulate". These guest speakers have been from a variety of ethnic backgrounds and from both genders. For me to mention that someone was/is "articulate" is not condescending. Maybe if I'd given Gov. Chris Sununu "a listen" I would have used "articulate" to describe him.....and then you wouldn't have taken note. Yeah...now as I compose my response I am getting annoyed. I should be able to comment on a person based on the content of their character and how they present themselves. It is a shame that I have to be hyper sensitive in this instance. Sad.

 

[Taurus]

Yes I have described guest speakers at various Professional Day events I've attended as "articulate". These guest speakers have been from a variety of ethnic backgrounds and from both genders. For me to mention that someone was/is "articulate" is not condescending. Maybe if I'd given Gov. Chris Sununu "a listen" I would have used "articulate" to describe him.....and then you wouldn't have taken note. Yeah...now as I compose my response I am getting annoyed. I should be able to comment on a person based on the content of their character and how they present themselves. It is a shame that I have to be hyper sensitive in this instance. Sad.

It is annoying that you can say Obama's a good orator, but you can't say he's articulate.

The PC landmines aren't a huge deal, but do spring up for us paleface dudes who live where minorities are truly minorities.

 

[MT15]

Look who’s jealous of DeSantis’ war on Disney, lol:

 

[superchuck500]

This part has been really bad for our country. It's left our country rudderless and constantly changing directions. I wish that independent voters would make up their minds in terms of what direction they want our country to move in and had the fortitude to stick with it so that we could at least have some consistency.

It’s funny - as much as I get what you’re saying and value your viewpoint, I kind of draw the opposite conclusion from the same set of data.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Look who’s jealous of DeSantis’ war on Disney, lol:

Something something small government...

 

[Lapaz]

When it comes to social issues like abortion, death penalty, in some respects, law enforcement, gun control, Democrats, nationally have moved more to the left then what they were even 20-25 years ago. There was a very good, informative study shown on NBC a few years ago where it stated how Democrats lost rural America over the course of a generation from the late 60’s-early 90’s

Someone like Bernie Sanders would’ve been perceived as a far-left fringe type 30 years ago, now he’s considered almost mainstream while Joe Manchin seems like a bygone relic from 50 years ago.

I disagree. I don’t think Democrats have changed much at all in gun control, abortion, nor death penalty. On law enforcement, there may have been a little movement left on local policing, but rightward on federal law enforcement. The only social issue that has moved left is on trans and the whole ambiguous gender thing. Bernie is still closer to the fringes on most issues, but Democrats like his ethics and principles, plus Democrats have always liked a lot of what he advocates, but just usually wouldn’t go as far as he advocates.

 

[Saintman2884]

I was pretty rough on Romney in 2012

I’d take him in a hot second now

I wouldn’t vote for him but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he won

I heard more then a few self-righteous pundits character assassinate him for how rich he was, how he once ran Bain Capital, a capital liquidating company, and infer he’d somehow be “worse than Bush”. Imagine how soon and quickly those smart arses would change their tunes once someone far more toxic, nasty, damaging and polarizing for our nation’s political, social ecosystem than the most deluded, hilariously stupid claims they ever could conjure up about Romney.

The most dangerous, cynical aspects of this was that some Democratic orgs, groups, and progressive Dem candidates actually funded or gave money to Trump’s campaign early on against other GOP hopefuls in the 2016 primaries because they were so sure he’d be a toxic, un-electable POTUS candidate. Their arrogance, elitism, and stupidity backfired in the most disastrous manner possible.

 

[Saintman2884]

I disagree. I don’t think Democrats have changed much at all in gun control, abortion, nor death penalty. On law enforcement, there may have been a little movement left on local policing, but rightward on federal law enforcement. The only social issue that has moved left is on trans and the whole ambiguous gender thing. Bernie is still closer to the fringes on most issues, but Democrats like his ethics and principles, plus Democrats have always liked a lot of what he advocates, but just usually wouldn’t go as far as he advocates.

Their views on abortion have hard-lined on abortion in the sense they supported it, but as a last-resort, and rarely. Over the past 15 years, there’s been a growing number of feminists, women rights activists that have become more strident, and uncompromising in pushing their views and attitudes on those with opposing views and accusing them of being sexist, misogynists if they disagree. You likely support their more open stridency, but it has turned more then a few people off who are or might’ve been pro-choice but dont wear it on their sleeves.

40-45 years ago, more national Dems supported the death penalty then they do now, especially in rural Southern states where 45 years ago in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia Democrats controlled the state legislatures and often elected governors. Same thing as it relates for gun control.

Bernie proudly went to Castro’s Cuba and praised people waiting in long lines for food, other major essential items because it fostered “equality”. He praised left-wing, corrupt, authoritarian regimes in Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, countries that used to have enormous oil/natural gas wealth, functional democracies but whom were ruined by populist demogagues like Chavez, whose country is now almost the Zimbabwe of Latin America. He had to almost be brow-beaten to criticize their undemocratic tendencies, nationalizations, and undermining of civil liberties by reporters, analysts and even then he somewhat hesitated with Wolf Blitzer on CNN.

Bernie has an idealistic, romanticized, not always realistic view of “social democratic” market economies of Scandinavian countries. It took decades, and quite a bit of trial and error to make many of those economies seem so seem less, efficient, and highly effective that I’m not sure Bernie realizes just how difficult it is to maintain those high rates of effectiveness that he almost magically assumes can be achieved so easily here.

 

[coldseat]

When it comes to social issues like abortion, death penalty, in some respects, law enforcement, gun control, Democrats, nationally have moved more to the left then what they were even 20-25 years ago. There was a very good, informative study shown on NBC a few years ago where it stated how Democrats lost rural America over the course of a generation from the late 60’s-early 90’s

Someone like Bernie Sanders would’ve been perceived as a far-left fringe type 30 years ago, now he’s considered almost mainstream while Joe Manchin seems like a bygone relic from 50 years ago.

Those are all social issues the nation as a whole has moved to the left as well, if polls are to be believed. Democrats have just kept pace with the majority. A lot of that has to also do with more with people leaving religion as well. No matter how much Christian and Republicans want to stuff that back in the proverbial box of Christianity and oppression, it's not going to happen.

Now compare today's Republicans and the extremity of their positions to 20 years ago. It's undeniable worse.

 

[SFIDC3]

I was pretty rough on Romney in 2012

I’d take him in a hot second now

I wouldn’t vote for him but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he won

Pretty much the same here, he is at least....."sane".....wake me up when the R's run someone who can say the same......

 

[Optimus Prime]

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Shortly after she announced her presidential bid, former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley called her high school classmate and longtime GOP donor Mikee Johnson. He cut straight to the chase in what he described as a difficult chat: He would back Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), if he ran.


“Her last comment to me was: ‘I’ll still be here when you see a different direction,’” Johnson, who is national finance co-chair for Scott’s campaign, said in an interview, adding that Haley handled the news well. “I’ve just been with her a long time. And it was a hard, hard conversation. And it was very uncomfortable for me. But I was very certain of what I wanted to do, it just still wasn’t easy to tell a friend that.”


Chad Walldorf, whom Haley named as chair to the Board of Economic Advisors when she was governor, was in a similar situation. After praising Scott in an interview with a reporter, he sent an email to Haley informing her of his plans to back him. Haley offered the same response, he recalled, saying she would welcome the support of Walldorf and his wife “any time if we changed our minds.”


Warner Peacock, a former donor to both candidates, told an assistant to Scott that this election is not one where he wants to back multiple candidates, and that he was picking Haley. “I frankly don’t know what Tim did [before being elected] other than I think he played college football, but I know he does not have the breadth of experience that she does,” said Peacock in an interview. He called both “high quality people” and said the Scott team was understanding of his decision.

As Scott prepares to formally kick off his campaign Monday in North Charleston, roughly 20 miles from where Haley launched her bid in February, the long-overlapping circles of the two Republicans are coming sharply into focus — and stoking tensions in this early state where everyone knows everyone in local politics.

The two barrier-breaking Republicans climbed the state’s political ladder on parallel timelines but never had to compete for the same job — until now.


While allies insist they maintain a cordial relationship, and neither has said a bad word publicly about the other, some on both sides of the divide privately view the other with increasing wariness and see a heated competition for home state support, according to Republicans in the state.

Both are considered long shots on their home turf against former president Donald Trump, and many doubt both will make it as far as the first-in-the-South GOP primary, making the scramble for support even more intense…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/05/20/nikki-haley-tim-scott-2024-presidential-campaigns/