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    SteveSBrickNJ

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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    There are a ton of issues and threads here that have nothing to do with whoever is president

    Just don’t participate in the presidential threads
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    If the next election is between Trump and Biden....and I hate both.....then there is nothing for me to say.
    I'd be done.
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    I regret my choice of words so I have returned to try again. I do not like how Biden has pushed for electric cars and how he has not moved the congress to do anything about the border. I do not like his foggy expression as he reads from a teleprompter. I wish he would retire. So...I do NOT hate Biden. I simply regret he is the President. Regarding Trump....I really dislike him. I don't want to look at his smug expression. I don't want to hear the sound of his voice.
     
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    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    I regret my choice of words so I have returned to try again. I do not like how Biden has pushed for electric cars and how he has not moved the congress to do anything about the border. I do not like his foggy expression as he reads from a teleprompter. I wish he would retire. So...I do NOT hate Biden. I simply regret he is the President. Regarding Trump....I really dislike him. I don't want to look at his smug expression. I don't want to hear the sound of his voice.
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    Spoken like someone who has no clue as to the reality of the world around them.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    If the next election is between Trump and Biden....and I hate both.....then there is nothing for me to say.
    I'd be done.
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    Then, unless, somehow miraculously either Trump is incarcerated or drops dead.....let me be the first to say.....good riddance....
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    Then, unless, somehow miraculously either Trump is incarcerated or drops dead.....let me be the first to say.....good riddance....
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    Well you have always been a kind and friendly forum colleague so I will miss you too.
     
    LA - L.A. said:
    The only way Haley wins the presidency is if Trump were to endorse her after losing to her in the primary. The only way Trump does that is if Haley agrees to be his puppet. Haley wouldn't be able to go back on that agreement, because the Republicans in Congress wouldn't allow any legislation she supports to be passed.

    If Haley or any Republican besides Trump wins the presidency, our democracy will still be in as much danger as if Trump won, because Trump and his fellow anti-democratic Republicans control the Republican party, including Haley. Most of the people in the Republican party support the party's anti-democratic goals.

    Don't be fooled by Haley's more pleasant facade, she wants the same things Trump and the current Republicans want, which is bad for everyone except for a small minority of the country. It's actually bad for that small minority too, because they will force the majority of the country to fight back against them and the minority will lose badly and painfully.
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    I get all that, but Haley is miles better an option than Trump. It's certainly a low bar, but I'd rather take my chances with Haley than Trump. I'm ultimately not going to vote for the GOP in the condition it's in regardless. I'd just rather it be Haley. Ideally, Trump croaking would save us alm a lot of grief.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I do agree that he very much attempted to run. And he had a lot of momentum early on. But there was always one huge problem with Ron DeSantis’s campaign: Ron DeSantis has no personal appeal whatsoever. He’s terribly awkward, his policy ideas are not supported by that many people, he has a fairly terrible record in Florida, and his political instincts are all wrong.

    I’m honestly surprised he got as far as he did - I guess it’s Florida so who knows.
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    He reminds me of Jindal. At first, he was sharp, kind of reasonable, but then just went full tilt weird. They just went weird differently. After about 6 months into Covid, DeSantis lost it and went full culture wars.
     
    Sunday was a tough day for those, like me, who get their entertainment jollies by watching losers try to redeem themselves. I'm not talking only about the Buffalo Bills, the only NFL team I care even two cents for, whose effort to erase their four consecutive Super Bowl losses (1990-1993) was defeated by the Kansas City Chiefs.

    Even more crushing, I am forced to bid farewell to the Ron DeSantis for President campaign.

    The theme of the postmortems that started appearing in the political press almost instantaneously after DeSantis' announcement that he was withdrawing from the quest for the Republican nomination was that his campaign's recklessness was matched by its fecklessness.

    That's true enough, as far as it goes, but it doesn't go nearly far enough. The DeSantis campaign exposed the vacuum at the heart of Republican policymaking, which is that it doesn't involve policymaking at all, only the ceaseless repetition of grievances against fabricated enemies — teachers, librarians, doctors, transgender individuals, advocates of social inclusion-equity-diversity — accompanied by performative viciousness.

    The campaign also exposed the vacuum in our political press corps, which tried valiantly to prop up the Florida governor as a doughty maverick who shouldn't be underestimated. (Pamela Paul, New York Times, Feb. 9, 2023: "His policies land better with voters than with progressive critics.")

    The elevation of DeSantis into some sort of political virtuoso with frighteningly occult skills began midway through his first gubernatorial term, when Politico ran an article headlined, "How Ron DeSantis won the pandemic." This oustandingly ignorant piece underscored the folly of calling the game before the final whistle blows — indeed, even before the game has begun.

    The truth was that the pandemic was defeating DeSantis even then, since 32,000 Floridians already had died of COVID-19; by the time the pandemic was declared over, Florida would have one of the worst records against COVID of any state in the union, due mostly to DeSantis' resistance to sensible social policies and his demonization of the COVID vaccines.

    DeSantis continued to snow the press with disinformation about his COVID response, citing Florida's relatively high median age to explain away the state's wretched performance against COVID. The problem there is that three of the four states with higher median ages than Florida (Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont) had significantly lower death rates than Florida.

    There are two chief methods of assessing the DeSantis presidential campaign. One is to examine its nuts and bolts and assess DeSantis' ability at retail campaigning; that's the method of the political press corps, which prefers horse-race coverage to writing about things as dull as policies. The other is to examine the implications of a DeSantis presidency for voters and their families, which is where the rubber meets the road.

    In both respects, DeSantis was a disaster. Let's take them in order...........

     
    Ron DeSantis has fallen off the national stage and America will not, after all, become Florida like he once envisaged. But back in his home state, opponents are bracing for the return of the Republican to serve the remainder of his final term as governor following the implosion of his presidential campaign.

    Florida is where DeSantis honed his extremist attacks on a wide range of targets from the transgender community to immigrants and Black voters. Although he will no longer be carrying them to the White House, critics here say there’s probably plenty more to come.

    Related: Ron DeSantis failed because Trump’s base wants the man himself, not an imitation | Andrew Gawthorpe

    “He’s gonna come home with a vengeance. He’s going to try to regain the mantle that he had after [his re-election in] November 2022. And he’s going to try to bring everybody back together and continue on this anti-woke, anti-democratic, anti-freedom platform,” Nikki Fried, chair of the Florida Democratic party said.

    “The question will be, ‘What do the Republicans do?’ Rank-and-file Republicans in Florida, elected as well as grassroots, are not having any of it. But there are those in higher up elected positions that still have to reckon with the fact that he’s going to be governor for the next few years and are going to have to play ball in order to get their priorities accomplished.”

    Fried was referencing the Republican supermajority in both houses of the Florida legislature, which acted as little more than a rubber stamp for DeSantis’s culture war policies that also included the near dismantling of the state’s higher education system and banning face mask and vaccine mandates as the Covid-19 pandemic still raged.

    Some analysts questioned if DeSantis would return to Tallahassee chastened by his national humiliation, weaker in the eyes of legislators and unable to replicate the swagger or command the same authority as he did following his 19-point re-election.

    Fried, who saw DeSantis in action first hand when she served in his cabinet as agriculture commissioner, and the only statewide elected Democrat, from 2019 to 2023, has no such doubt.

    “We can lose more freedoms,” she said, noting that DeSantis will likely remain in office until he is termed out in January 2027.

    “I don’t know what his agenda is for this session, he didn’t lay that out in his state of the state address, which was entirely for Iowa, so we don’t have his legislative priorities. But if he continues to try to rule with an iron fist here in Florida, we’re going to have a lot more of these misogynistic, homophobic policies that are going to come out of this administration.

    “And unfortunately, Floridians are going to continue to feel the impact of his wrath and his extreme agenda. That doesn’t work across the country [but] he’s going to take no learning lessons from what he just experienced, that his agenda and his policies don’t work. But he’s going to try to prove otherwise.”..........

    MSN

    www.msn.com

    www.theguardian.com

    ‘We can lose more freedoms’: Florida braces for Ron DeSantis’s wrath after national rout

    As the governor trudges back to finish his term, questions arise on his extremist agendas that failed to capture national interest
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

     
    Hailey will not drop out no matter how much she loses in every state. As long as its just her and Trump, if Trump gets bumped because of his many idictments, she will be the only other one who would have the campigning stamina to continue in his place.
     
    coldseat said:
    Do you know if Phillips filed suit against the Florida DNC or if there was a resolution to his complaint?
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    I couldn't care less. The fact that the party tried to cancel it is the problem.

    I'm not a fan of Phillips.
     
    Bigdaddysaints said:
    Hailey will not drop out no matter how much she loses in every state. As long as its just her and Trump, if Trump gets bumped because of his many idictments, she will be the only other one who would have the campigning stamina to continue in his place.
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    Yeah, I can see that. It makes no sense for her to drop out. She'd get the nomination pretty much by default if something happens to Trump.
     

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