2024 GOP Presidential Race (11 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Optimus Prime]

For a lot of anti-Trump Republicans, the perfectly timed rise of Nikki Haley in polls and buzz as the voting phase of the 2024 GOP primary approaches is heaven-sent. Without having definitively broken with Donald Trump or his supporters, Haley projects the kind of personality and message that doesn’t embarrass respectable GOP elites, and that could in theory provide an appeal beyond the ranks of the party base.

Perhaps just as important, Haley appears fresh and interesting, in sharp contrast to the rival she seems poised to displace as Trump’s most serious challenger: Ron DeSantis.

The Florida governor’s act is getting stale. The 2022 reelection triumph at the center of his electability argument is receding into the rear-view mirror. His tales of tormenting schoolteachers, diversity consultants, and Mickey Mouse have lost their punch. And his efforts to convince Republicans that the 45th president is a RINO squish just haven’t worked at all.

Thanks to a couple of solid debate performances, her fine instincts for pandering to multiple audiences without looking desperate, and the weaknesses of her opponents, Haley has ascended as DeSantis has descended in New Hampshire, in her native South Carolina, and most recently in Iowa. Is she the Trump rival non-MAGA Republicans have been waiting for?

The answer could be “yes,” but there’s a very big catch: There just aren’t enough non-MAGA Republicans to sustain a successful challenge to the front-runner, which means her vote is probably capped at a level far below Trump’s. DeSantis had the right strategy for defeating Trump by depicting himself as more authentically right wing, a natural successor and perfecter of the MAGA movement. He just didn’t have the chops to displace the movement’s founder.

As anti-Trump conservative Rich Lowry admits in Politico, Haley really isn’t the candidate to steal Trump’s thunder or his share of the primary electorate:

Haley has been gaining exclusively among voters who are unfavorable to Trump. The problem for her is that this is only 20 percent or so of the party.
The hot-button issue of Ukraine illustrates the dynamic. DeSantis has played to the skepticism of the party’s base for continued aid, but alienated the traditional element of the party when he over-sauced the goose by calling the war a “territorial dispute.” On the other hand, Haley has been stalwart in favor of supporting Ukraine. This has pleased the traditional element of the party, but at the cost of further defining herself as too establishment and moderate for MAGA voters.

Looking at the contest on a more granular level, Haley isn’t going to inherit a whole lot of voters who are abandoning the once-formidable DeSantis bandwagon — mostly voters poached from the front-runner. Polling consistently shows Trump as the second choice of a plurality of DeSantis voters (in Iowa’s authoritative Selzer poll, for example, DeSantis supporters prefer Trump to Haley by a 41 percent to 27 percent margin). So as Haley rises, so does Trump, and only one of them has anything close to the kind of support necessary for victory. Of course, if the Trump campaign suffers some catastrophe before he nails down the nomination, as his GOP rivals have been vainly counting on, Haley could win as the last rival standing. But as Lowry observes, we’ve seen this movie before:

It’s hard to resist seeing the current race through a 2016 prism — with Trump as Trump, DeSantis as Ted Cruz, and Haley as Marco Rubio or John Kasich. In 2016, none of those non-Trump candidates had the strength to escape their “lane” and match Trump’s breadth of support.

Haley was a big Rubio supporter in 2016, and like Rubio that year, she might exceed expectations in Iowa just enough to hang on as a potential vanquisher of Trump. But the Florida senator was forced out of the race when he badly lost his home state to the MAGA mogul. The exact same fate is likely to await Nikki Haley, assuming she makes it that far.............

MSN

Nikki Haley’s Rise Will Clinch Donald Trump’s Victory

Anti-Trump Republicans are delighted to see Haley climbing as Ron DeSantis sinks. Trouble is there aren’t enough of them to stop the front-runner.

nymag.com

 

[Taurus]

For a lot of anti-Trump Republicans, the perfectly timed rise of Nikki Haley in polls and buzz as the voting phase of the 2024 GOP primary approaches is heaven-sent. Without having definitively broken with Donald Trump or his supporters, Haley projects the kind of personality and message that doesn’t embarrass respectable GOP elites, and that could in theory provide an appeal beyond the ranks of the party base.

Perhaps just as important, Haley appears fresh and interesting, in sharp contrast to the rival she seems poised to displace as Trump’s most serious challenger: Ron DeSantis.

The Florida governor’s act is getting stale. The 2022 reelection triumph at the center of his electability argument is receding into the rear-view mirror. His tales of tormenting schoolteachers, diversity consultants, and Mickey Mouse have lost their punch. And his efforts to convince Republicans that the 45th president is a RINO squish just haven’t worked at all.

Thanks to a couple of solid debate performances, her fine instincts for pandering to multiple audiences without looking desperate, and the weaknesses of her opponents, Haley has ascended as DeSantis has descended in New Hampshire, in her native South Carolina, and most recently in Iowa. Is she the Trump rival non-MAGA Republicans have been waiting for?

The answer could be “yes,” but there’s a very big catch: There just aren’t enough non-MAGA Republicans to sustain a successful challenge to the front-runner, which means her vote is probably capped at a level far below Trump’s. DeSantis had the right strategy for defeating Trump by depicting himself as more authentically right wing, a natural successor and perfecter of the MAGA movement. He just didn’t have the chops to displace the movement’s founder.

As anti-Trump conservative Rich Lowry admits in Politico, Haley really isn’t the candidate to steal Trump’s thunder or his share of the primary electorate:


Looking at the contest on a more granular level, Haley isn’t going to inherit a whole lot of voters who are abandoning the once-formidable DeSantis bandwagon — mostly voters poached from the front-runner. Polling consistently shows Trump as the second choice of a plurality of DeSantis voters (in Iowa’s authoritative Selzer poll, for example, DeSantis supporters prefer Trump to Haley by a 41 percent to 27 percent margin). So as Haley rises, so does Trump, and only one of them has anything close to the kind of support necessary for victory. Of course, if the Trump campaign suffers some catastrophe before he nails down the nomination, as his GOP rivals have been vainly counting on, Haley could win as the last rival standing. But as Lowry observes, we’ve seen this movie before:


Haley was a big Rubio supporter in 2016, and like Rubio that year, she might exceed expectations in Iowa just enough to hang on as a potential vanquisher of Trump. But the Florida senator was forced out of the race when he badly lost his home state to the MAGA mogul. The exact same fate is likely to await Nikki Haley, assuming she makes it that far.............

Nikki Haley’s Rise Will Clinch Donald Trump’s Victory

Anti-Trump Republicans are delighted to see Haley climbing as Ron DeSantis sinks. Trouble is there aren’t enough of them to stop the front-runner.

nymag.com

I'd like to take this moment to note that we aren't the only ones who're saying that the GOP is the party of Trump. His supporters aren't the outliers, they're not some fringe that only has pull because they vote in primaries...they ARE the party. All you reasonable Republicans need to acknowledge and own that. You also need to hold your noses and vote Democrat until your party's lost enough elections to have some sense slapped back into it. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting more and more insane, incompetent, nihilistic pieces of crap like Trump, MGT and Gaetz.

 

[J-DONK]

I'd like to take this moment to note that we aren't the only ones who're saying that the GOP is the party of Trump. His supporters aren't the outliers, they're not some fringe that only has pull because they vote in primaries...they ARE the party. All you reasonable Republicans need to acknowledge and own that. You also need to hold your noses and vote Democrat until your party's lost enough elections to have some sense slapped back into it. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting more and more insane, incompetent, nihilistic pieces of crap like Trump, MGT and Gaetz.

I would go even further, and say Republicans are no longer conservative but authoritarians. There have been plenty of Republicans, on the outs with the current party, who talk about Trumps cult of personality, and his disregard for democracy.

It's hilarious when Farb, and SFL come on this site, and start trying to both sides stuff. You have to be willfully obtuse to not understand just how far in a hole the Republican party has fallen. Neither poster could tell you the current parties overall goals or agendas. There are none. It's all simply Trump, victim complex, and culture war.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

For a lot of anti-Trump Republicans, the perfectly timed rise of Nikki Haley in polls and buzz as the voting phase of the 2024 GOP primary approaches is heaven-sent. Without having definitively broken with Donald Trump or his supporters, Haley projects the kind of personality and message that doesn’t embarrass respectable GOP elites, and that could in theory provide an appeal beyond the ranks of the party base.

Perhaps just as important, Haley appears fresh and interesting, in sharp contrast to the rival she seems poised to displace as Trump’s most serious challenger: Ron DeSantis.

The Florida governor’s act is getting stale. The 2022 reelection triumph at the center of his electability argument is receding into the rear-view mirror. His tales of tormenting schoolteachers, diversity consultants, and Mickey Mouse have lost their punch. And his efforts to convince Republicans that the 45th president is a RINO squish just haven’t worked at all.

Thanks to a couple of solid debate performances, her fine instincts for pandering to multiple audiences without looking desperate, and the weaknesses of her opponents, Haley has ascended as DeSantis has descended in New Hampshire, in her native South Carolina, and most recently in Iowa. Is she the Trump rival non-MAGA Republicans have been waiting for?

The answer could be “yes,” but there’s a very big catch: There just aren’t enough non-MAGA Republicans to sustain a successful challenge to the front-runner, which means her vote is probably capped at a level far below Trump’s. DeSantis had the right strategy for defeating Trump by depicting himself as more authentically right wing, a natural successor and perfecter of the MAGA movement. He just didn’t have the chops to displace the movement’s founder.

As anti-Trump conservative Rich Lowry admits in Politico, Haley really isn’t the candidate to steal Trump’s thunder or his share of the primary electorate:


Looking at the contest on a more granular level, Haley isn’t going to inherit a whole lot of voters who are abandoning the once-formidable DeSantis bandwagon — mostly voters poached from the front-runner. Polling consistently shows Trump as the second choice of a plurality of DeSantis voters (in Iowa’s authoritative Selzer poll, for example, DeSantis supporters prefer Trump to Haley by a 41 percent to 27 percent margin). So as Haley rises, so does Trump, and only one of them has anything close to the kind of support necessary for victory. Of course, if the Trump campaign suffers some catastrophe before he nails down the nomination, as his GOP rivals have been vainly counting on, Haley could win as the last rival standing. But as Lowry observes, we’ve seen this movie before:


Haley was a big Rubio supporter in 2016, and like Rubio that year, she might exceed expectations in Iowa just enough to hang on as a potential vanquisher of Trump. But the Florida senator was forced out of the race when he badly lost his home state to the MAGA mogul. The exact same fate is likely to await Nikki Haley, assuming she makes it that far.............

MSN

Nikki Haley’s Rise Will Clinch Donald Trump’s Victory

Anti-Trump Republicans are delighted to see Haley climbing as Ron DeSantis sinks. Trouble is there aren’t enough of them to stop the front-runner.

nymag.com

WHEN...what date is the Florida primary?

 

[superchuck500]

WHEN...what date is the Florida primary?

That information is only available to people with access to Google.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

That information is only available to people with access to Google.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I had students walking into my instructional room ( I am a 5th grade Instrumental Music Teacher) and I was viewing this thread. Just before exiting out of this thread I quickly typed that question about "When is the FL Primary?" and then I focused on my students.
Now that we've dismissed the students I'll open a new tab and look for myself....because you had time to be sarcastic but did not actually answer the question.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I had students walking into my instructional room ( I am a 5th grade Instrumental Music Teacher) and I was viewing this thread. Just before exiting out of this thread I quickly typed that question.
Now that we've dismissed the students I'll open a new tab and look for myself....because you had time to be sarcastic but did not actually answer the question.

It will be held on my BIRTHDAY....

2024 Florida Republican presidential primary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

For a lot of anti-Trump Republicans, the perfectly timed rise of Nikki Haley in polls and buzz as the voting phase of the 2024 GOP primary approaches is heaven-sent. Without having definitively broken with Donald Trump or his supporters, Haley projects the kind of personality and message that doesn’t embarrass respectable GOP elites, and that could in theory provide an appeal beyond the ranks of the party base.

Perhaps just as important, Haley appears fresh and interesting, in sharp contrast to the rival she seems poised to displace as Trump’s most serious challenger: Ron DeSantis.

The Florida governor’s act is getting stale. The 2022 reelection triumph at the center of his electability argument is receding into the rear-view mirror. His tales of tormenting schoolteachers, diversity consultants, and Mickey Mouse have lost their punch. And his efforts to convince Republicans that the 45th president is a RINO squish just haven’t worked at all.

Thanks to a couple of solid debate performances, her fine instincts for pandering to multiple audiences without looking desperate, and the weaknesses of her opponents, Haley has ascended as DeSantis has descended in New Hampshire, in her native South Carolina, and most recently in Iowa. Is she the Trump rival non-MAGA Republicans have been waiting for?

The answer could be “yes,” but there’s a very big catch: There just aren’t enough non-MAGA Republicans to sustain a successful challenge to the front-runner, which means her vote is probably capped at a level far below Trump’s. DeSantis had the right strategy for defeating Trump by depicting himself as more authentically right wing, a natural successor and perfecter of the MAGA movement. He just didn’t have the chops to displace the movement’s founder.

As anti-Trump conservative Rich Lowry admits in Politico, Haley really isn’t the candidate to steal Trump’s thunder or his share of the primary electorate:


Looking at the contest on a more granular level, Haley isn’t going to inherit a whole lot of voters who are abandoning the once-formidable DeSantis bandwagon — mostly voters poached from the front-runner. Polling consistently shows Trump as the second choice of a plurality of DeSantis voters (in Iowa’s authoritative Selzer poll, for example, DeSantis supporters prefer Trump to Haley by a 41 percent to 27 percent margin). So as Haley rises, so does Trump, and only one of them has anything close to the kind of support necessary for victory. Of course, if the Trump campaign suffers some catastrophe before he nails down the nomination, as his GOP rivals have been vainly counting on, Haley could win as the last rival standing. But as Lowry observes, we’ve seen this movie before:


Haley was a big Rubio supporter in 2016, and like Rubio that year, she might exceed expectations in Iowa just enough to hang on as a potential vanquisher of Trump. But the Florida senator was forced out of the race when he badly lost his home state to the MAGA mogul. The exact same fate is likely to await Nikki Haley, assuming she makes it that far.............

MSN

Nikki Haley’s Rise Will Clinch Donald Trump’s Victory

Anti-Trump Republicans are delighted to see Haley climbing as Ron DeSantis sinks. Trouble is there aren’t enough of them to stop the front-runner.

nymag.com

The reason I am interested to now learn that the Florida GOP Primary will be March 19th is because it was referenced in the end of the text I have quoted.

 

[V Chip]

His whole speech is like MAGA buzzword bingo... just say talking point BS and hope the idiots respond.

 

[Taurus]

His whole speech is like MAGA buzzword bingo... just say talking point BS and hope the idiots respond.

Man, transcripts of Trump speeches are...is there a word that combines pitiful, incoherent, abhorrent and terrifying?

Like if Azathoth, the blind idiot god at the center of the universe were deeply concerned with water pressure.

 

[Lapaz]

The reason I am interested to now learn that the Florida GOP Primary will be March 19th is because it was referenced in the end of the text I have quoted.

I think the article is alluding to Haley losing badly to Trump in her home state of South Carolina, just like Rubio lost badly to Trump in his home state of Florida. South Carolina's primary is on 3 FEB.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I think the article is alluding to Haley losing badly to Trump in her home state of South Carolina, just like Rubio lost badly to Trump in his home state of Florida. South Carolina's primary is on 3 FEB.

Oh. I did not catch that, thank you.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Trump campaign is successfully working hard to embarrass DeSantis in Florida...
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The Trump-DeSantis rivalry grows more personal and crude as the GOP candidates head to Florida

Former President Donald Trump is expanding his support in Florida as he seeks to bury the presidential ambitions of Gov. Ron DeSantis in their shared home state. Trump in recent days was endorsed by U.S. Sen. Rick Scott and state lawmaker Randy Fine, a longtime DeSantis ally who has advised him...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

……As she plows ahead, Haley is also testing her party’s willingness to elect a woman of color to the nation’s highest office.

In her campaign launch, she nodded to the possibility that her candidacy could make history. “I will simply say this: may the best woman win.” (In the same speech she also denounced “identity politics” and “glass ceilings”.)

No woman has ever won a Republican presidential primary contest, let alone the party’s nomination. And to do so, she must wrest control of the party from the frontrunner, a former president with a long record of attacking women and people of color in demeaning and vulgar terms.

“Top predictors of votes for Donald Trump are hostile sexism and racial resentment,” said Kelly Dittmar, director of research and a scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University.

“So how do you as a south Asian woman run against the person who has won on sentiments that also work against you as an individual?”……

Nikki Haley’s unexpected rise from ‘scrappy’ underdog to Trump’s closest rival

The former South Carolina governor is rising in the polls but despite executive and foreign policy experience she has a mountain to climb

www.theguardian.com

 

[SFIDC3]

Another wolf in sheep's clothing.....don't trust her at all.....anyone who states that they would pardon Trump upon being elected should not even be considered a serious candidate.....

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Another wolf in sheep's clothing.....don't trust her at all.....anyone who states that they would pardon Trump upon being elected should not even be considered a serious candidate.....

I don't trust the lot of them! Until someone from the Republican Party can muster up the courage to be honest with their ill informed electorate, none of them are worthy of being POTUS.