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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
    www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    DaveXA said:
    Sorry, unless Trump keels over, Haley isn't winning the primary. Republicans, more specifically Maga Republicans aren't gonna vote for her. And there are more Maga Republicans than sane ones.
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    I heard someone talking about a poll in a podcast - they said that Haley’s problem is that DeSantis voters choose Trump when asked for their second choice.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Sorry, but eventually people will realize that Trump has zero chance to beat Biden.
    A vote for Trump will be a vote for 4 more years of Biden.
    When Rs realize that Haley could beat Biden in the General Election, but Trump couldn't...she will get more support than you think.
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    Eh, too many Maga hacks out there. They'd rather lose with Trump than win with Haley.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    If Trump is not able to run because of being taken off the ballot or for any other reasons, I do not agree the "DeSantis will inherit the vast majority of his voters".
    I don't think die hard Trumpers like DeSantis.
    Everything else you said I can agree with.
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    She is a converted Sikh and brown, so I believed that would turn off many Trumpist. This article from 28 AUG said that DeSantis is the overwhelming 2nd choice.

    www.washingtonexaminer.com

    DeSantis is the top second choice for GOP voters — does that matter? - Washington Examiner

    Former President Donald Trump remains the far-and-away front-runner in the Republican primary contest, with a double-digit lead over all opponents. But Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) is the top second choice of Republican likely voters. The contest becomes much closer when factoring in the number of...
    www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

    However, I may have overestimated how many Republicans wouldn't vote for Haley based on the following more recent link from 6 OCT using Ranked Choice:

    fairvote.org

    New ranked choice poll examines the Republican presidential field after second debate - FairVote

    WPA Intelligence and FairVote fielded a national poll of 801 likely Republican presidential primary voters following the second debate.
    fairvote.org fairvote.org

    She ends up 2nd to Trump, but gets up to 37%, and is ahead of Rama and DeSantis when all 4 remain in the race. That surprises me, so if Trump is knocked out of the race, it looks like she could actually win the primary.
     
    Lapaz said:
    She is a converted Sikh and brown, so I believed that would turn off many Trumpist. This article from 28 AUG said that DeSantis is the overwhelming 2nd choice.

    www.washingtonexaminer.com

    DeSantis is the top second choice for GOP voters — does that matter? - Washington Examiner

    Former President Donald Trump remains the far-and-away front-runner in the Republican primary contest, with a double-digit lead over all opponents. But Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) is the top second choice of Republican likely voters. The contest becomes much closer when factoring in the number of...
    www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

    However, I may have overestimated how many Republicans wouldn't vote for Haley based on the following more recent link from 6 OCT using Ranked Choice:

    fairvote.org

    New ranked choice poll examines the Republican presidential field after second debate - FairVote

    WPA Intelligence and FairVote fielded a national poll of 801 likely Republican presidential primary voters following the second debate.
    fairvote.org fairvote.org

    She ends up 2nd to Trump, but gets up to 37%, and is ahead of Rama and DeSantis when all 4 remain in the race. That surprises me, so if Trump is knocked out of the race, it looks like she could actually win the primary.
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    As a Christian, I LIKE to hear the testimony of people who have converted from other faiths or from atheism. I would hope other Christians would agree with me.
    I'm sure you know that some states are trying to have Trump removed from the ballot because he incited a mob on Jan. 6th. He brushed aside the constitution, etc. etc.
    There is always hope that at the 2024 GOP Convention Trump will not be nominated....and my hope at the moment is that Haley will be the nominee...because she has a better chance of winning the General Election than Trump or DeSantis....she does...doesn't she?
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Sorry, but eventually people will realize that Trump has zero chance to beat Biden.
    A vote for Trump will be a vote for 4 more years of Biden.
    When Rs realize that Haley could beat Biden in the General Election, but Trump couldn't...she will get more support than you think.
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    Trump supporters do not believe he's destined to lose to Biden (hell, I don't even think he's destined to lose) and they're not changing their minds about him three months from now.

    Haley would be much, much better for the country as the nominee and I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong.. but it ain't happening.
     
    Ok everyone, I'm gonna spend the rest of the evening with my wife.
    It's been great exchanging viewpoints with each of you.
    This is always been what I hoped for. To focus on viewpoints...not on Steve.
     
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    RICHMOND — Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin has kept everyone guessing about his White House ambitions for nearly two buzz-filled years, so long that the 2024 speculation has shifted from will he or won’t he to can he — is it even possible, this late in the game, to mount a credible campaign?


    Having missed candidate-filing deadlines in key early states, Youngkin (R) could try to make a big splash in the March 5 Super Tuesday primaries.

    But that would require a mad dash to get on the ballot — an exercise that in some states requires gathering tens of thousands of petition signatures and filing paperwork with the strict “i”-dotting and “t”-crossing that’s tripped up even the most experienced and unhurried campaigns.


    “A lot of people think you can just wake up one morning and say you’re running for president and magically your name appears on the ballot,” said Dennis Lennox, a Republican strategist who was part of a last-minute scramble around Christmas 2012 to get Mitt Romney the signatures he needed from blue congressional districts in Illinois.

    Some conservatives, including media mogul Rupert Murdoch and megadonor Thomas Peterffy, have encouraged Youngkin to jump in as an alternative to Donald Trump and the host of declared Republican rivals who’ve failed to gain traction against the former president.

    Youngkin has conspicuously not ruled out a run, but says he will focus exclusively on state legislative races until Election Day on Tuesday, when all 140 seats in Virginia’s House and Senate will be on the ballot.

    Just a handful of races in each narrowly divided chamber will determine the fate of Youngkin’s conservative legislative agenda, including banning most abortions after 15 weeks, and the viability of his national aspirations.


    But even if the GOP wins Virginia in a landslide, Youngkin’s path to the GOP primary ballot would be an uphill climb.


    The filing deadline in Alabama hits three days after Virginia votes next week. The cutoff in Arkansas comes Nov. 14. In Maine, Nov. 20. The window shuts Nov. 28 for the easier of two routes to the California ballot, which involves filing an application with the secretary of state.

    The other option gives the candidate until Dec. 15 but requires gathering signatures from a whopping 52,000 registered Republicans.


    Before December is up, deadlines will come and go in 17 other states stretching from Vermont to Hawaii. Given that tight time-frame, some of the GOP’s leading experts on ballot access and convention-delegate math give slim odds to a late Youngkin gambit.


    “Theoretically possible” but “very, very small” is how veteran Republican elections lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg described Youngkin’s chances of winning the nomination. He noted daunting hurdles beyond getting on the ballot, such as finding experienced staff not already committed to other campaigns and meeting donor thresholds for remaining debates.

    “A presidential campaign is like the ultimate start-up: You go from zero in the bank to needing several hundred million dollars really quickly,” Ginsberg said. “And so, if you don’t have a long runway to plan that out, which Youngkin doesn’t, campaigns tend to do an inconsistent and slapdash job when what you need is real attention to detail.”……..

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    RICHMOND — Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin has kept everyone guessing about his White House ambitions for nearly two buzz-filled years, so long that the 2024 speculation has shifted from will he or won’t he to can he — is it even possible, this late in the game, to mount a credible campaign?


    Having missed candidate-filing deadlines in key early states, Youngkin (R) could try to make a big splash in the March 5 Super Tuesday primaries.

    But that would require a mad dash to get on the ballot — an exercise that in some states requires gathering tens of thousands of petition signatures and filing paperwork with the strict “i”-dotting and “t”-crossing that’s tripped up even the most experienced and unhurried campaigns.


    “A lot of people think you can just wake up one morning and say you’re running for president and magically your name appears on the ballot,” said Dennis Lennox, a Republican strategist who was part of a last-minute scramble around Christmas 2012 to get Mitt Romney the signatures he needed from blue congressional districts in Illinois.

    Some conservatives, including media mogul Rupert Murdoch and megadonor Thomas Peterffy, have encouraged Youngkin to jump in as an alternative to Donald Trump and the host of declared Republican rivals who’ve failed to gain traction against the former president.

    Youngkin has conspicuously not ruled out a run, but says he will focus exclusively on state legislative races until Election Day on Tuesday, when all 140 seats in Virginia’s House and Senate will be on the ballot.

    Just a handful of races in each narrowly divided chamber will determine the fate of Youngkin’s conservative legislative agenda, including banning most abortions after 15 weeks, and the viability of his national aspirations.


    But even if the GOP wins Virginia in a landslide, Youngkin’s path to the GOP primary ballot would be an uphill climb.


    The filing deadline in Alabama hits three days after Virginia votes next week. The cutoff in Arkansas comes Nov. 14. In Maine, Nov. 20. The window shuts Nov. 28 for the easier of two routes to the California ballot, which involves filing an application with the secretary of state.

    The other option gives the candidate until Dec. 15 but requires gathering signatures from a whopping 52,000 registered Republicans.


    Before December is up, deadlines will come and go in 17 other states stretching from Vermont to Hawaii. Given that tight time-frame, some of the GOP’s leading experts on ballot access and convention-delegate math give slim odds to a late Youngkin gambit.


    “Theoretically possible” but “very, very small” is how veteran Republican elections lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg described Youngkin’s chances of winning the nomination. He noted daunting hurdles beyond getting on the ballot, such as finding experienced staff not already committed to other campaigns and meeting donor thresholds for remaining debates.

    “A presidential campaign is like the ultimate start-up: You go from zero in the bank to needing several hundred million dollars really quickly,” Ginsberg said. “And so, if you don’t have a long runway to plan that out, which Youngkin doesn’t, campaigns tend to do an inconsistent and slapdash job when what you need is real attention to detail.”……..

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    Flock Youngkin.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Sorry, but eventually people will realize that Trump has zero chance to beat Biden.
    A vote for Trump will be a vote for 4 more years of Biden.
    When Rs realize that Haley could beat Biden in the General Election, but Trump couldn't...she will get more support than you think.
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    That's not how cults work. They never realize the comet isn't coming to take them home. They just put on their Nikes and go to sleep.
     
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    Optimus Prime said:
    RICHMOND — Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin has kept everyone guessing about his White House ambitions for nearly two buzz-filled years, so long that the 2024 speculation has shifted from will he or won’t he to can he — is it even possible, this late in the game, to mount a credible campaign?


    Having missed candidate-filing deadlines in key early states, Youngkin (R) could try to make a big splash in the March 5 Super Tuesday primaries.

    But that would require a mad dash to get on the ballot — an exercise that in some states requires gathering tens of thousands of petition signatures and filing paperwork with the strict “i”-dotting and “t”-crossing that’s tripped up even the most experienced and unhurried campaigns.


    “A lot of people think you can just wake up one morning and say you’re running for president and magically your name appears on the ballot,” said Dennis Lennox, a Republican strategist who was part of a last-minute scramble around Christmas 2012 to get Mitt Romney the signatures he needed from blue congressional districts in Illinois.

    Some conservatives, including media mogul Rupert Murdoch and megadonor Thomas Peterffy, have encouraged Youngkin to jump in as an alternative to Donald Trump and the host of declared Republican rivals who’ve failed to gain traction against the former president.

    Youngkin has conspicuously not ruled out a run, but says he will focus exclusively on state legislative races until Election Day on Tuesday, when all 140 seats in Virginia’s House and Senate will be on the ballot.

    Just a handful of races in each narrowly divided chamber will determine the fate of Youngkin’s conservative legislative agenda, including banning most abortions after 15 weeks, and the viability of his national aspirations.


    But even if the GOP wins Virginia in a landslide, Youngkin’s path to the GOP primary ballot would be an uphill climb.


    The filing deadline in Alabama hits three days after Virginia votes next week. The cutoff in Arkansas comes Nov. 14. In Maine, Nov. 20. The window shuts Nov. 28 for the easier of two routes to the California ballot, which involves filing an application with the secretary of state.

    The other option gives the candidate until Dec. 15 but requires gathering signatures from a whopping 52,000 registered Republicans.


    Before December is up, deadlines will come and go in 17 other states stretching from Vermont to Hawaii. Given that tight time-frame, some of the GOP’s leading experts on ballot access and convention-delegate math give slim odds to a late Youngkin gambit.


    “Theoretically possible” but “very, very small” is how veteran Republican elections lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg described Youngkin’s chances of winning the nomination. He noted daunting hurdles beyond getting on the ballot, such as finding experienced staff not already committed to other campaigns and meeting donor thresholds for remaining debates.

    “A presidential campaign is like the ultimate start-up: You go from zero in the bank to needing several hundred million dollars really quickly,” Ginsberg said. “And so, if you don’t have a long runway to plan that out, which Youngkin doesn’t, campaigns tend to do an inconsistent and slapdash job when what you need is real attention to detail.”……..

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    @MT15 told me that as a Republican and not an independent, getting on the ballot would not be an issue for Youngkin. This online article seems to say otherwise.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    @MT15 told me that as a Republican and not an independent, getting on the ballot would not be an issue for Youngkin. This online article seems to say otherwise.
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    Okay, so I was thinking about the general election and not the primaries. I still think he could do it if he wanted to. 🤷‍♀️
     

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