General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (2 Viewers)

J-DONK said:

We talked about this in the debate thread. I think it's just name recognition.

Also, you people need to be consistent. Polls matter, or they don't?

Biden is still down, and down in every swing state. The definition is swing state is starting to include places like Virginia.

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You said, "you people."

U People say hi back at you, while Mike smiles and waves.

SaintForLife said:

You are correct about the right not wanting Biden to drop out.

I definitely want Biden to stay in especially after everyone realized his mental state after he had the worse debate performance in history. Anyone would want to run against a candidate like Biden.

Honestly I'm loving seeing the Democrats in this horrible situation and there aren't any good options to get out of it. I would call it karma.

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This board is getting pretty bad tbh. If Trump was down to Biden in a 3-7% point range. Would Democrats want Trump swapped out for Haley? Obviously, not.

This is not rocket science.

SamAndreas said:

You said, "you people."

U People say hi back at you, while Mike smiles and waves.

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You people = the people huffing copium over the polling

It's the same reality denying SFL, and Farb engage in.

J-DONK said:

You are cherry picking polls now. You are using Bloomberg instead of Emerson to say Biden is up in WI, and MI, but then you just used Emerson to say the other candidates don't poll as well as Biden.

The only poll that showed Biden up in a Swing state is Bloomberg, and it's not considered that accurate.

I could have linked the usatoday poll today that showed Harris>Biden. I didn't because the poll is generally considered bunk.

Find one aggregate and stick to it. Stop trying to swap around, and find data that fits your convictions.

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I am not using Bloomberg, I used the aggregate. I’m not shopping around, I am just reading and reacting to polls as I see them. It’s called RacetotheWhiteHouse.

MT15 said:

So I just saw this on Twitter. It’s an aggregate.

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I think there is a clear narrative being pushed by people who want Biden out, and another group that aren’t comfortable with pushing him out. You are pushing your narrative just as hard as anybody else on here.

J-DONK said:

SFL can't help himself, but overall Republicans have been quiet on this issue. They don't want him to drop out.

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The Republicans have not been quiet at all. They have been calling for him to drop out and have been trying to bully him into since he took office.

Donald Trump does not keep his mouth shut about what he truly wants and he makes it clear that Biden should drop out. He was giddy when he thought Biden was going to drop out last week.

J-DONK said:

Why would you want a guy to drop out that you are currently beating?

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Trump wouldn't which is why he would have shown disappointment at the prospect of Biden dropping out, but instead he was giddy with belief that Biden was dropping out.

It's very obvious that Trump's internal polling is not showing him the lead that the public polls are showing or he would be disappointed at the thought of Biden dropping out.

It's very obvious that Biden's and DNC's internal polling are not showing Democrats that Biden is trailing like the public polls are showing, or one of the mutineers would have leaked that information by now.

Campaigns and campaign managers don't make decisions on public polls, they make decisions based on their internal polling.

What we have is a classic case example of this (just substituting internal polls for film):

Here is the website and while I didn’t come across the table in the tweet I did find this.

J-DONK said:

You people = the people huffing copium over the polling

It's the same reality denying SFL, and Farb engage in.

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Then why didn't you type it that way? Did it save U time?

The issue with phrasing it the way you did is it attracts monsters.

A good thing, they are by and large reasonably friendly, well educated monsters.

MT15 said:

s first in person appearance since the debate, and he’s an hour late. People are standing in 100 degree heat at his golf club waiting for him.

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I think he's hiding, because he's the one that got a shot in the arse before the debate and he can't get that shot on a regular basis without it causing a rapid acceleration in his mental and physical decline.

Trump is the one hiding and being coddled, not Biden. Trump is drastically more unfit mentally and emotionally than Biden. If you're top voting priority is voting for the more mentally fit, then the obvious and only choice is to vote for Biden. Even with his obvious decline from aging, Biden is infinitely more mentally and emotionally fit than Trump. Trump just has more physical mobility and a much louder voice than Biden, but Trump's still full on bath sheet demented and crazy.

J-DONK said:

Also, you people need to be consistent.

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What do you mean, "you people?"

J-DONK said:

Polls matter, or they don't?

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They matter to you. So we show you the things that matters to you showing that the things that matter to you show that Biden has the best chance to win according to the things that matter to you. So, since you believe what those things say to you and they are telling you Biden has the best chance of beating Trump and what's most important to you is that Trump loses, then you should want Biden to stay in the race.

We people aren't saying we believe those polls, we people are just showing you that the things you believe in are showing you should believe Biden has the best chance to beat Trump.

J-DONK said:

Biden is still down, and down in every swing state. The definition of a swing state is starting to include places like Virginia.

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But the polls you believe in still clearly show that Biden has the best chance of beating Trump, so they are showing you Biden is the best choice moving forward.

We don't believe in the polls like you do. If you truly believe in the polls, then you'll want Biden to stay in, if you still want Biden to drop out after what the polls are showing you, then you don't really believe in the polls and you're just using them to support your desire to make Biden drop out.

So here we have a presidential candidate claiming falsely that there are many Russian warships in Cuba and also claiming that the news didn’t cover it. Acosta tweets his dismay, but will any media company step up and report this as a possible cognitive disability? Or a bold-faced lie? Or just total incompetence as a potential president?

J-DONK said:

It's the same reality denying SFL, and Farb engage in.

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You still pushing the conspiracy theory about Biden having Parkinson’s?

J-DONK said:

You are cherry picking polls now.

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The aggregate that MT15 posted the tweet about, only uses the most recent polls with the best reputation and the largest sample sizes. You trying to dismissively wave that off is what cherry picking actually is.

You're dismissing or ignoring every poll that doesn't support you're belief that Biden dropping out is what gives the best chance of beating Trump.

You're doing exactly what I said you would do once the polls started giving information that doesn't agree with and support your wanting Biden out of the race.

J-DONK said:

This board is getting pretty bad tbh.

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No one's making you come here.

J-DONK said:

If Trump was down to Biden in a 3-7% point range. Would Democrats want Trump swapped out for Haley? Obviously, not.

This is not rocket science.

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No, it's not rocket science at all, yet you keep ignoring an important reality, campaigns trust and make decisions off of their internal polls, not public ones.

You're trying to reverse engineer away what is obvious in the secret recording of Trump, he's obviously happy about the idea of Biden dropping out and Trump made it obvious wants Biden to drop out. This is what it appears you are doing and you may not be aware you're doing it:

When you have to tell yourself you aren't seeing what you are obviously seeing, your biases are literally obscuring your perception of reality.

J-DONK said:

You people = the people huffing copium over the polling

It's the same reality denying SFL, and Farb engage in.

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What happened to not making personal attacks and sticking to refuting what people say?

Does that only apply to everyone else and not you?

Man, it is hard to remember every crazy idiotic thing Trump has done. I had completely forgotten about this. What do you suppose he wanted to hide?

J-DONK said:

This board is getting pretty bad tbh. If Trump was down to Biden in a 3-7% point range. Would Democrats want Trump swapped out for Haley? Obviously, not.

This is not rocket science.

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Meanwhile the poll on that question: Who in the combined House and Senate want Biden to drop out has climbed to an astounding 1.5% of the total number of members of the legislature.

Footnote; that includes Republicans, excluding Republicans increases that by double to 3%.

Exciting,,, it might grow, might grow to whelping 2%. (R's included). Watching grass grow is also exciting.




Whelping is a real word, it means giving birth to puppies.

Sounds like they want to turn it into a reality show

“Who wants to be the next President?!”
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In the morass in which the Democratic party now finds itself over Joe Biden’s troubled presidential candidacy, a prominent narrative is that the party is confronted by two dire options: an aged and weakened Biden stumbles on to November, or he stands down, igniting an acrimonious and chaotic scramble for his replacement.

Either way, Donald Trump wins.

Over the past few days, however, energy has been building around a third, more optimistic solution. Advocates of this alternative model believe it could reinvigorate Democrats by putting the spotlight on young fresh talent, inspire the country with a powerful articulation of the party’s values and, critically, prevent Trump from returning to the White House bent on unleashing a full-blown attack on American democracy.

The idea is being floated by a loose affiliation of Democratic party stalwarts, including former senior government officials and elected representatives, major donors, and current party officeholders.

They are calling their plan the “blitz primary”– a quick-fire, tightly controlled selection process that would culminate with a younger successor to Biden being nominated at next month’s Democratic national convention.

“The question is: how can we flip this disaster into something remarkable?” said Ted Dintersmith, a venture capitalist and entrepreneur who is a leading proponent of the blitz primary idea. “What would totally shift the national narrative, turning bad options into an opportunity?”

Dintersmith, who in 2012 was appointed by Barack Obama to represent the US at the UN general assembly, estimates that about 70 prominent individuals have participated in the search for an alternative.

Discussions have focused on how to move beyond the crisis in which the Democratic party has been propelled by Biden’s lamentable performance in last month’s presidential debate which has sewn doubt both about the president’s mental acuity and his electability.

The blitz primary is posited on Biden voluntarily stepping down as the party’s nominee and playing an active role in the process. With his involvement, a shortlist of five to eight younger candidates would be identified, drawn from the Biden administration, Democratic state governors and other rising stars of the party.

Names mentioned include Vice-President Kamala Harris; Governors Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Gavin Newsom of California, and Andy Beshear of Kentucky; the US senator from Georgia, Raphael Warnock; and Biden cabinet members such as the Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo and the Transportation Secretary, Pete Buttigieg.

A controversial aspect of the blitz primary model is that Harris would be required to compete on equal terms – there would be no anointing her as Biden’s heir. Allan Katz, the former US ambassador to Portugal under Obama who has helped frame the blueprint, said that if she emerged as the nominee she would do so “as a much stronger, much better candidate than if the nomination was just handed to her”.

The younger generation of leaders would be introduced to the nation through a series of televised town halls running up to the convention in Chicago on 19 August. Moderators would be selected for their dynamic ability to attract large primetime audiences especially of younger voters, snatching back the media limelight from Trump.

Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama, the historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, and even Taylor Swift have been floated as fantasy interlocutors.…….