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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    Someone mentioned the Obama-Romney debate and they couldn't have been more different than Thursday night's debate. Thought I'd drop this here.


    I’ll gladly take “binders full of women”, and “I’ve visited 57 states” over “I didn’t have sex with a porn star” and “we have defeated medicare”.
     
    Spoken like only a true believer in the cult of Trump would speak.

    That doesn't mean you're a true believer in the cult of Trump, it just means you speak like they do.

    I'll admit that if Biden dies, I'm still voting for the Biden-Harris ticket, because I'm casting my vote first and foremost against Trump and the corporate-christian-fascist cult that have devoted themselves to following him into seizing control of us and our government. By the way, that's what I mean when I say the cult of Trump.
    I had a relative who won an election after he had been killed in a plane crash. You may have heard of him, his name was Mel Carnahan. His corpse beat John Ashcroft.

     
    I’m not saying that a Weekend at Bernie’s administration would be better or worse than a Trump administration, I’m just saying Biden’s cult rides just as hard as a Gavin Newsom viagra bender.
    What do you have to say about the Criminal Jr's girlfriend? You know Gavin Newsom's ex-wife.

    The mere thought of her causes me to have a gag reflex.
     
    I’m good, you don’t need to tell me anything. Democracy is already dead, people are just now dancing with its corpse.
    Sorry to break this news to you, Democracy isn't a corporeal being, therefore it lacks a living body, and therefore lacks the ability to die, lacks the ability to ever become a corpse.

    This might help help you with your confusion:

     
    There are more than two options on the ballot though. These two candidates aren’t the only two candidates that one can vote for.

    As for me, I’m going to read up on the other party candidates. Surely someone out there can’t be worse than these two options.
    Yeah, there are more choices that just two.

    Here's two lists with links of them all, 10 in the major list, 44 more in the secondary list :

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    President Joe Biden is expected to discuss the future of his re-election campaign with family at Camp David on Sunday, following a nationally televised debate Thursday that left many fellow Democrats worried about his ability to beat former President Donald Trump in November, according to five people familiar with the matter.

    It's interesting there is mixed signaling on this now. Right after the debate we had public support from Obama, and party leaders.
     
    ...you are the one who said that you would vote for Biden’s corpse.
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    Are you too dim to understand the difference between saying I'll vote for the Biden-Harris ticket and I'll vote for Biden's corpse? Of course you're not that dim.

    You know exactly what I said, but the truth of what I said doesn't fit into your childish game playing, so you keep blatantly lying about what I actually said so you can keep playing your childish little games.

    You know that I specifically said Biden-Harris instead of just Biden for the obvious reason that Harris would still be very much alive and become president if Biden had died. You know I wouldn't be voting for a corpse, but you desperately want to seem more clever than you are, so you lie to set yourself up to seem clever. And you're so not clever that you're clueless as to how not clever it makes you look.

    It doesn't reflect well on you that you keep lying about something that is so obviously not true. I have no idea what stupid games you think you're winning and it doesn't matter to me. The more you do it, the less people will care about or believe what you say, which is all good in my book. As the saying goes, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
     

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    Your messiah is the king of lies. That hasn't changed at all
    He might be the king of lies, but Biden is next in line. Trump clearly lied about some things at the debate, but Biden did as well.

    Do you think saying Trump lied more somehow negates the worst debate performance ever by Biden?

    It's clear that Biden isn't mentally sharp enough to run for relection. Democrats are now concerned about Biden's relection chances due to Biden's deteriorating condition, but shouldn't we all be concerned that he's in that condition as the current President?
     
    He might be the king of lies, but Biden is next in line. Trump clearly lied about some things at the debate, but Biden did as well.

    Do you think saying Trump lied more somehow negates the worst debate performance ever by Biden?

    It's clear that Biden isn't mentally sharp enough to run for relection. Democrats are now concerned about Biden's relection chances due to Biden's deteriorating condition, but shouldn't we all be concerned that he's in that condition as the current President?
    The only thing clear is that you support a criminal who admitted talking to Putin about the invasion of Ukraine before it happened and who has undermined the country because he is completely mentally ill.
     
    I’m just saying, if Biden loses in November, I’m going to feel really bad for you two for letting it happen.
    You have to realize that those two will still post North Korea type propaganda claiming that Biden is fine mentally even after Biden's disastrous debate performance.

    Nothing will change that.
     


    Why it matters: Dr. Jill Biden; his younger sister, Valerie Biden; and 85-year-old Ted Kaufman, the president's longtime friend and constant adviser — plus a small band of White House advisers — are the only Biden deciders.

    This decades-long kitchen cabinet operates as an extended family, council of elders and governing oligarchy. These allies alone hold sway over decisions big and small in Biden's life and presidency.

    ...Behind the scenes: If Biden stays in, it's for the same reason he decided to run again: He and the oligarchy believe he has a much better chance of beating former President Trump than Vice President Harris does.

    ...The intrigue: We're told Democratic congressional leaders are one outside force that could bring pressure on Biden.

    They're getting calls and texts from panicked lawmakers who fear Biden's weakness could cost the party House and Senate seats in November.

    "This is no longer about Joe Biden's family or his emotions," said an adviser in constant touch with the West Wing. "This is about our country. It's an utter f***ing disaster that has to be addressed."

    It'll take a while for the oligarchy to process the stakes, this adviser argued, "but there will be a reckoning."

    ...Top Democrats saw what America saw live, on national TV, vividly and unforgettably. They can't unsee it. And they fear voters won't unsee it.

    No longer can they blame critics or edited footage or media exaggeration.

    Every misstep, verbal hiccup or frozen face will zip across social media and TV, reminding voters Biden will be 86 years old at the end of his second term.
     


    Why it matters: Dr. Jill Biden; his younger sister, Valerie Biden; and 85-year-old Ted Kaufman, the president's longtime friend and constant adviser — plus a small band of White House advisers — are the only Biden deciders.

    This decades-long kitchen cabinet operates as an extended family, council of elders and governing oligarchy. These allies alone hold sway over decisions big and small in Biden's life and presidency.

    ...Behind the scenes: If Biden stays in, it's for the same reason he decided to run again: He and the oligarchy believe he has a much better chance of beating former President Trump than Vice President Harris does.

    ...The intrigue: We're told Democratic congressional leaders are one outside force that could bring pressure on Biden.

    They're getting calls and texts from panicked lawmakers who fear Biden's weakness could cost the party House and Senate seats in November.

    "This is no longer about Joe Biden's family or his emotions," said an adviser in constant touch with the West Wing. "This is about our country. It's an utter f***ing disaster that has to be addressed."

    It'll take a while for the oligarchy to process the stakes, this adviser argued, "but there will be a reckoning."

    ...Top Democrats saw what America saw live, on national TV, vividly and unforgettably. They can't unsee it. And they fear voters won't unsee it.

    No longer can they blame critics or edited footage or media exaggeration.

    Every misstep, verbal hiccup or frozen face will zip across social media and TV, reminding voters Biden will be 86 years old at the end of his second term.

    And the Trump crime family is far worse.

    And what you posted is opinion.

    Trump’s criminality is very real.
     
    Let’s just deal with the reality of the situation here..

    People gravitate toward the smooth talkers, those with confidence, bravado, etc. Is it sensible? In many senses, hell no it isn’t. We all are privy to that. But this is America and we crave quick fixes.

    Biden had a very weak performance. He looked tired, confused, and let a more delirious Trump take the lead in conversation. Fire whoever made his drug cocktail pre debate.

    At this point, it seems the DNC is going to go down with this smoking ship. You made the bed, now you must lie in it.

    We will see how this plays out. My spidey senses tell me this is like a tired scene from 2016 where voters are even more fed up with both candidates. There’s LESS enthusiasm all around.

    So let’s see how an experiment we’ve already seen the results for works again..fingers crossed.

    Thanks in advance for the welcome back. It was mainly to take a break from the cluster that is the Israel thread, but it’s appreciated nonetheless.
     
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