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NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

“You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

PRESSURE ON BIDEN


The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

 
Tbf, if we are talking about cults, Biden could die the day before the election and his cult would still place write in votes for his corpse. 🧟‍♂️
Spoken like only a true believer in the cult of Trump would speak.

That doesn't mean you're a true believer in the cult of Trump, it just means you speak like they do.

I'll admit that if Biden dies, I'm still voting for the Biden-Harris ticket, because I'm casting my vote first and foremost against Trump and the corporate-christian-fascist cult that have devoted themselves to following him into seizing control of us and our government. By the way, that's what I mean when I say the cult of Trump.
 
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These were the headlines on the NYT app earlier today. Not a single one about Trump. Screenshots are mine so this is firsthand.
Forget needing to talk about Kevin. We really need to talk about Trump and they need to finally start the damned conversation if they want to truly be news agencies and journalists.
 
I’m not saying that a Weekend at Bernie’s administration would be better or worse than a Trump administration, I’m just saying Biden’s cult rides just as hard as a Gavin Newsom viagra bender.
Completely false. Just the opposite of the truth here el. Here is how you know they are not even close to the same:

Trump gets found liable for sexual assault, his organization is found to have committed massive business fraud, and he is personally criminally convicted of over 30 felonious instances of fraudulent business records in the commission of another crime, and the GOP says - he’s our guy! Nobody else! This doesn’t even mention refusing to concede an election he lost, encouraging people to invade the Capitol, trying to get Governors and state legislators to overthrow the election results, and stealing classified documents and obstructing efforts to get them back.

Biden is doing a great job as president, has a bad debate performance and Dems are seriously talking about kicking him off the ticket.
 
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This is exactly right. You cannot expect Biden to fact check in real time because nobody could do it. If you care about being truthful, you cannot quickly deal with a Gish Gallup - we all well know that from our resident galloper. You have to look up the actual facts and refute them one point at a time...
I agree with everything in your post. I quoted this part in agreement and wanted to add that fact checking the resident gish-galloper on this board takes a village. It takes all of us to fact check all of the lies they post here. That's why it is in fact also the moderators' responsibility to help fact check when someone is shotgunning out a bunch of lies.
 
I’m not saying that a Weekend at Bernie’s administration would be better or worse than a Trump administration, I’m just saying Biden’s cult rides just as hard as a Gavin Newsom viagra bender.
Once again it's the Trump cult wishes that to destroy democracy as we know it. If you fail to see the difference I don't know what else to say to you
 
Completely false. Just the opposite of the truth here el.
You say this, yet no more than a few comments ago you have this comment saying that they would vote for Biden’s corpse.

Spoken like only a true believer in the cult of Trump would speak.

That doesn't mean you're a true believer in the cult of Trump, it just means you speak like they do.

I'll admit that if Biden dies, I'm still voting for the Biden-Harris ticket, because I'm casting my vote first and foremost against Trump and the corporate-christian-fascist cult that have devoted themselves to following him into seizing control of us and our government. By the way, that's what I mean when I say the cult of Trump.
 
You say this, yet no more than a few comments ago you have this comment saying that they would vote for Biden’s corpse.
That’s simply a bit of rhetorical hyperbole. He even says his main motivation is keeping Trump out of the WH, not some kind of Biden worship.

Trying to say that both sides are the same is just dishonest el. I added to my post enumerating all the reasons the GOP is a craven cult these days. It’s not even remotely the same.
 
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That’s simply a bit of rhetorical hyperbole. He even says his main motivation is keeping Trump out of the WH.

Trying to say that both sides are the same is just dishonest el. I added to my post enumerating all the reasons the GOP is a craven cult these days. It’s not even remotely the same.
You can miss me with “our cult is less crazy than their cult” (especially when you have posters here proving my point for me).

I’m just going to sit back, listen to the sweet music of John Secada, and watch both sides fumble away undecided voters.
 
You can miss me with “our cult is less crazy than their cult” (especially when you have posters here proving my point for me).

I’m just going to sit back, listen to the sweet music of John Secada, and watch both sides fumble away undecided voters.
You can deny the truth all you want. One of those two guys is going to win. I want it to be the guy who isn’t leading a cult.
 
I’m not saying that a Weekend at Bernie’s administration would be better or worse than a Trump administration, I’m just saying Biden’s cult rides just as hard as a Gavin Newsom viagra bender.
Propaganda Gaslighting 101.

"Hey, don't pay any attention to everything I say, how I say it and who I say it about, just accept this one thing I'm saying is true and take me at my word that I'm not shilling for anyone, even though I'm completely one sided in who I criticize and how I childishly criticize them. It doesn't mean I'm schilling for the one side, I mean I told you I don't like either side, even though I don't actually criticize the other side them like I constantly do the one side. That's just a weird coincidence that doesn't say anything at all about me. It'd be weird if you thought what looks like a consistent pattern is actually a consistent pattern. I mean, who's crazy enough to think that a consistent pattern is actually a consistent patter. How stupid do you have to be to believe. So never mind that consistent pattern on my part, because it's not really a consistent patter. You just focus on how right and true my one childish criticism of the one side I just made is. That's all you need to know and think about. Forget everything else you think you see and you think you believe, because you're not really seeing what you see and you don't really believe what you believe. Trust me on that."
 
What’s wild is Trump was full of more crap than one of Biden’s diapers. He would have been better off just being quiet for 90 mins and letting all the attention go to Trump’s lies.

It’s nuts that he can go from the man we saw on Thursday night, to the man we saw on Friday. A man of extremes indeed.
 
Propaganda Gaslighting 101.

"Hey, don't pay any attention to everything I say, how I say it and who I say it about, just accept this one thing I'm saying is true and take me at my word that I'm not shilling for anyone, even though I'm completely one sided in who I criticize and how I childishly criticize them. It doesn't mean I'm schilling for the one side, I mean I told you I don't like either side, even though I don't actually criticize the other side them like I constantly do the one side. That's just a weird coincidence that doesn't say anything at all about me. It'd be weird if you thought what looks like a consistent pattern is actually a consistent pattern. I mean, who's crazy enough to think that a consistent pattern is actually a consistent patter. How stupid do you have to be to believe. So never mind that consistent pattern on my part, because it's not really a consistent patter. You just focus on how right and true my one childish criticism of the one side I just made is. That's all you need to know and think about. Forget everything else you think you see and you think you believe, because you're not really seeing what you see and you don't really believe what you believe. Trust me on that."
You can deny the truth all you want. One of those two guys is going to win. I want it to be the guy who isn’t leading a cult.
I’m just saying, if Biden loses in November, I’m going to feel really bad for you two for letting it happen.
 
Propaganda Gaslighting 101.

"Hey, don't pay any attention to everything I say, how I say it and who I say it about, just accept this one thing I'm saying is true and take me at my word that I'm not shilling for anyone, even though I'm completely one sided in who I criticize and how I childishly criticize them. It doesn't mean I'm schilling for the one side, I mean I told you I don't like either side, even though I don't actually criticize the other side them like I constantly do the one side. That's just a weird coincidence that doesn't say anything at all about me. It'd be weird if you thought what looks like a consistent pattern is actually a consistent pattern. I mean, who's crazy enough to think that a consistent pattern is actually a consistent patter. How stupid do you have to be to believe. So never mind that consistent pattern on my part, because it's not really a consistent patter. You just focus on how right and true my one childish criticism of the one side I just made is. That's all you need to know and think about. Forget everything else you think you see and you think you believe, because you're not really seeing what you see and you don't really believe what you believe. Trust me on that."
Ma’am this is an Arby’s drive through.

And James Carvill is right.
 
You say this, yet no more than a few comments ago you have this comment saying that they would vote for Biden’s corpse.
Welp now you've proven your dishonest or have zero reading comprehension. So which is it? Are you dishonest or do you have zero reading comprehension? Either way no one should trust anything you say, because you're either being dishonest or you have zero understanding of what you read which means you have zero idea what you are talking about.

You may think this is a game between us, but I'm not playing games. I 100% sincere in what I say and I'm done letting immature, malignant behavior go buy without speaking up. If you want to know my mindset right now, let me sum it up by quoting one of my most inspirational historical figures, "More weight." I'll let you figure out who it was and the context of their quote yourself if you care to.

Now to justify all of the above you said I said:
...you have this comment saying that they would vote for Biden’s corpse.

This is what I said:
'll admit that if Biden dies, I'm still voting for the Biden-Harris ticket, because I'm casting my vote first and foremost against Trump and the corporate-christian-fascist cult that have devoted themselves to following him into seizing control of us and our government. By the way, that's what I mean when I say the cult of Trump.

That is clearly me saying I would vote for the ticket which would mean the very alive Harris would be president. I also clearly said it would not be able voting for Biden, it would be about voting against Trump. In no way did I come close to saying that would vote for Biden's corpse.

So either you are intentionally being dishonest or you don't have a clue how to comprehend the things you read.
 

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