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    SaintForLife said:
    Oh looky. The US was involved in removing yet another country's leader. Ukraine 2014 too.

    THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT encouraged the Pakistani government in a March 7, 2022, meeting to remove Imran Khan as prime minister over his neutrality on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to a classified Pakistani government document obtained by The Intercept.

    The meeting, between the Pakistani ambassador to the United States and two State Department officials, has been the subject of intense scrutiny, controversy, and speculation in Pakistan over the past year and a half, as supporters of Khan and his military and civilian opponents jockeyed for power. The political struggle escalated on August 5 when Khan was sentenced to three years in prison on corruption charges and taken into custody for the second time since his ouster. Khan’s defenders dismiss the charges as baseless. The sentence also blocks Khan, Pakistan’s most popular politician, from contesting elections expected in Pakistan later this year.

    One month after the meeting with U.S. officials documented in the leaked Pakistani government document, a no-confidence vote was held in Parliament, leading to Khan’s removal from power. The vote is believed to have been organized with the backing of Pakistan’s powerful military. Since that time, Khan and his supporters have been engaged in a struggle with the military and its civilian allies, whom Khan claims engineered his removal from power at the request of the U.S.

    The text of the Pakistani cable, produced from the meeting by the ambassador and transmitted to Pakistan, has not previously been published. The cable, known internally as a “cypher,” reveals both the carrots and the sticks that the State Department deployed in its push against Khan, promising warmer relations if Khan was removed, and isolation if he was not.

    The document, labeled “Secret,” includes an account of the meeting between State Department officials, including Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu, and Asad Majeed Khan, who at the time was Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S.



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    Do you have knowledge of Pakistani politics? This time I’m not going to tell you. I’ll give you some keywords so you can google and read it yourself. Corruption, Pakistan, china, road and belt initiative, bankrupt, default on loans, world bank/imf bailout.

    Edit my timeline is off. IMF only arrived in feb 2023, and didn’t pressure for reforms then. He was removed in 2022. The corruption still stands as uncovered in some belt and road initiatives.
     
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    We worked back door channels to remove Imran Khan?

    GOOD!

    He is a piece of shirt.

    Here I thought you were going to bring up real US President driven coup attempts, sorry regime change. Like Iraq. Or Iran in the 50's. Or Nicaragua. Or January 6th.
     
    CoolBrees said:
    We worked back door channels to remove Imran Khan?

    GOOD!

    He is a piece of shirt.

    Here I thought you were going to bring up real US President driven coup attempts, sorry regime change. Like Iraq. Or Iran in the 50's. Or Nicaragua. Or January 6th.
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    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is like the cherry pick nuland phone call.

    Edit…oh yeah the supposed cable was at the end. Here it is.
    I expressed the hope that the issue of the Prime Minister’s visit to Russia will not impact our bilateral ties. Don replied that “I would argue that it has already created a dent in the relationship from our perspective. Let us wait for a few days to see whether the political situation changes, which would mean that we would not have a big disagreement about this issue and the dent would go away very quickly. Otherwise, we will have to confront this issue head on and decide how to manage it.”
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    Nothing about removing khan. A pressure campaign to help isolate Russia.
     
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    CoolBrees said:
    We worked back door channels to remove Imran Khan?

    GOOD!

    He is a piece of shirt.

    Here I thought you were going to bring up real US President driven coup attempts, sorry regime change. Like Iraq. Or Iran in the 50's. Or Nicaragua. Or January 6th.
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    Yeah, it's a weak sauce argument. That didn't help him at all. Lmao.
     
    UriUT said:
    Do you have knowledge of Pakistani politics?
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    WHY under the Biden Administration are we giving 5 billion US Tax dollars to the Taliban led Afghanistan government?
     
    MT15 said:
    Which crimes do you think Trump should be allowed to just get away with?
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    None, but there has to be equal application of the law and that should include all US citizens and politicians.

    You have the Biden DOJ indicting Trump over the classified documents while we haven't heard much at all from the Special Counsel Robert Hur investigating Biden for his classified document issue except recently about negotiating an interview with Biden. Considering what Weiss got caught doing I'm guessing that Hur will do something similar for Biden.

    Those indictments of Trump are ongoing while Biden's DOJ got caught trying to give Hunter a sweetheart plea deal and blanket immunity. That plea deal quickly crumbled after just some brief questions by the judge.

    The DOJ also tipped off Hunter that the IRS agents were going to interview him. Shapley was later notified that he wasn't allowed to approach Hunter's home to interview him. He was told he had to wait near his home and wait for Hunter to contact him. 😆 Obviously the interview never happened.
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    CoolBrees said:
    We worked back door channels to remove Imran Khan?

    GOOD!

    He is a piece of shirt.

    Here I thought you were going to bring up real US President driven coup attempts, sorry regime change. Like Iraq. Or Iran in the 50's. Or Nicaragua. Or January 6th.
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    Speaking of coups...

    Neocons and the Ukraine Coup
    February 23, 2014

    Exclusive: American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a “regime change” on Russia’s western border. But the coup and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront also reveal divisions within the Obama administration, reports Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    More than five years into his presidency, Barack Obama has failed to take full control over his foreign policy, allowing a bureaucracy shaped by long years of Republican control and spurred on by a neocon-dominated U.S. news media to frustrate many of his efforts to redirect America’s approach to the world in a more peaceful direction.

    But Obama deserves a big dose of the blame for this predicament because he did little to neutralize the government holdovers and indeed played into their hands with his initial appointments to head the State and Defense departments, Hillary Clinton, a neocon-leaning Democrat, and Robert Gates, a Republican cold warrior, respectively.

    Even now, key U.S. diplomats are more attuned to hard-line positions than to promoting peace. The latest example is Ukraine where U.S. diplomats, including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, are celebrating the overthrow of an elected pro-Russian government.

    Occurring during the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, the coup in Ukraine dealt an embarrassing black eye to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had offended neocon sensibilities by quietly cooperating with Obama to reduce tensions over Iran and Syria, where the neocons favored military options.

    Over the past several weeks, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was undercut by a destabilization campaign encouraged by Nuland and Pyatt and then deposed in a coup spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias. Even after Yanukovych and the political opposition agreed to an orderly transition toward early elections, right-wing armed patrols shattered the agreement and took strategic positions around Kiev.

    Despite these ominous signs, Ambassador Pyatt hailed the coup as “a day for the history books.” Most of the mainstream U.S. news media also sided with the coup, with commentators praising the overthrow of an elected government as “reform.” But a few dissonant reports have pierced the happy talk by noting that the armed militias are part of the Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist group which is often compared to the Nazis.
    consortiumnews.com

    Neocons and the Ukraine Coup

    Exclusive: American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a “regime change” on Russia’s western border. But the coup and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront also reveal divisions within the Obama administration, reports Robert
    consortiumnews.com consortiumnews.com
     
    SFL quit posting propaganda and especially Russian propaganda. It’s embarrassing. The House Rs have zero credibility left and may as well be Russian propaganda at this point.
     
    SaintForLife said:
    None, but there has to be equal application of the law and that should include all US citizens and politicians.
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    Then why do you say that the DOJ shouldn’t prosecute Trump? That it isn’t a legitimate case? Why do you amplify propaganda from the Trump side of things so consistently?
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
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    What kind of aid? Military? Humanitarian?

    Is it as egregious as when trump unilaterally invited the taliban to camp David without the ruling afghanistani government? Really, what kind of signal do you tell folks fighting against the taliban that the us promises TO the taliban only to leave by a specific date AND we will reduce our troop number and aid. Oh right when shirt hits the fan due to it, we blame the guy who just got into office, while denying him the courtesy of any access to intelligence during the transition phase. Nah. Instead, let’s try to overthrow the incoming government instead.

    Maybe these faux outrages are a bit mismplaced.
     

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