All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[CoolBrees]

Medications wear off.

I have no problem with kids taking hormone blockers if their doctor approves them medically - parents don't get a say.

Nobody is doing gender reassignment surgery on children. That is a lie told by you - a liar. It is a stupid argument I won't entertain.

 

[bird]

In your estimation, only religious people are against giving life altering drugs and medical procedures to children who suffer from a mental illness in order to not treat, but affirm the illness?

Do you think any study doesn't have limitations? Hint, all studies do, that is the reason for peer review is it not?

Very libertarian of you. Do you think their should be an age of sexual consent or leave it up to those involved?

It is none of your business. Never was, never will be. Your concern is not “the children”. Your concern is hatred of anyone who might be trans.

Take your RW talking points elsewhere.

 

[Farb]

Medications wear off.

I have no problem with kids taking hormone blockers if their doctor approves them medically - parents don't get a say.

Nobody is doing gender reassignment surgery on children. That is a lie told by you - a liar. It is a stupid argument I won't entertain.

What age do you consider a child?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...are-restrictions-for-minors-grow/70652104007/
Gender-affirming surgeries were most popular with young adults; more than 25,000 people ages 19 to 30 received these procedures. Fewer than 8% of patients − a total of 3,678 − were 12- to 18-year-olds, a group scrutinized by lawmakers pursuing restrictions mainly in conservative states.
https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.

Do you consider the WPATH to be liars?

 

[Farb]

It is none of your business. Never was, never will be. Your concern is not “the children”. Your concern is hatred of anyone who might be trans.

Take your RW talking points elsewhere.

Why can't you answer the question? Do you think there should be a legal age of sexual consent or do you truly believe that it is no ones business?

 

[CoolBrees]

Well I consider a child under 18 - you know the law.

You agree with the Kentucky State Senator and believe it is 12 so they can marry (even your first cousin).

You support a convicted rapist for President too.

What do you tell your daughters about supporting a rapist?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former reality TV performer-turned-Florida state Rep. Fabián Basabe (R) is threatening to sue Miami Beach Pride if they don’t allow him to ride in their annual parade, which will be held on April 14. When Basabe rode in last year’s parade, attendees booed and heckled him over his support of Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” law and a statewide drag ban.

When Basabe tried to reserve a space in this year’s parade, organizers forbade him from participating. Basabe’s lawsuit accuses parade organizers of violating his First Amendment rights to free speech, but organizers say they can legally decide who to include in their parade and claimed they declined Basabe’s reservation out of security concerns. Supreme Court precedent seems to side with the parade organizers.

“We can’t risk having you in the parade this year,” Bruce Horwich, chairman of the nonprofit organization behind the parade, told Basabe in a March 16 text message, according to The Miami Herald. “Last year you had to be surrounded by police officers in riot gear as well as had several more plain clothes officers surrounding your vehicle.”

“We have had Republicans, Democrats, and Independent parties in our parade and festival in the past and welcome all political views unless they are planning or have shown from the past that they are a security risk,” Horwich added. “Our bylaws clearly state that we can’t have participants that put themselves or other participants at risk or antagonize our guests.”

Basabe responded, writing, “You have no right to exclude me, not as an individual nor as an elected official, nor may you attempt to set me up again with a bogus ‘public safety claim.’ I have always attended this parade peacefully.” He also accused organizers of allowing “extremist” protesters “to agitate the crowds and incite violence against me for political purposes” during last year’s parade............

MSN

 

[Farb]

Well I consider a child under 18 - you know the law.

You agree with the Kentucky State Senator and believe it is 12 so they can marry (even your first cousin).

You support a convicted rapist for President too.

What do you tell your daughters about supporting a rapist?

Lets stay on topic and not get in the weeds about Kentucky bumkins and bad orange man and a daughter I don't have.

Do you accept that fact that minors (under 18) have had elective 'gender affirming' surgeries preformed on them in this country?

 

[CoolBrees]

Lets stay on topic and not get in the weeds about Kentucky bumkins and bad orange man and a daughter I don't have.

Do you accept that fact that minors (under 18) have had elective 'gender affirming' surgeries preformed on them in this country?

I accept that on rare occasions there are genetic anomalies where both anatomical parts are present or another physical incongruity exists. I accept that in these instances surgeries take place to correct these anomalies.

I don't accept any of your other bull shirt though. It has been explained ad nauseam (it means alot Farb) to by people a lot more patient than me on these very boards. But you don't care.

You will respond with some nonsense like "do you believe men can have babies" or something like that.

oh and since you aren't married, and don't have a daughter (could have sworn you said you had at least one) then you shout really be silent about abortion.

 

[MT15]

Why do you think there is a spike in kids that report to be trans in the last few years?

Probably for the same reason there is a spike in anything after it has been reported on and made more widely known. People who used to suffer in silence, or take their own lives out of desperation, now have knowledge that they aren’t alone and other people feel the same way.

If your contention is that people are being persuaded to be trans, why is it that the percentage is still well below the study you quoted as some sort of “gotcha”? Where is the huge spike?

And that percentage isn’t those who take any sort of treatment or action as adolescents, btw, it is the number who identify as trans. So the number of adolescents being treated would presumably be lower.

How do you explain this?

 

[MT15]

Do you consider the WPATH to be liars?

Exactly which surgeries are they talking about? They are probably not lying, but the outrage porn sites that you frequent probably are lying.

 

[MT15]

Farb is just a completely bad faith poster at this point. It didn’t used to be that way.

 

[Farb]

I accept that on rare occasions there are genetic anomalies where both anatomical parts are present or another physical incongruity exists. I accept that in these instances surgeries take place to correct these anomalies.

I don't accept any of your other bull shirt though. It has been explained ad nauseam (it means alot Farb) to by people a lot more patient than me on these very boards. But you don't care.

You will respond with some nonsense like "do you believe men can have babies" or something like that.

oh and since you aren't married, and don't have a daughter (could have sworn you said you had at least one) then you shout really be silent about abortion.

So you don't accept the standards that are put forth by the WPATH? Interesting. Sounds like you just can't admit you were wrong.

That response I like to use is an attempt to demonstrate how far down the ideological rabbit hole you are and what you are willing to believe is certain people tell you to believe. So far it has proven itself over and over.

So only female babies are murdered? I did not know that. Can you show me the proof because I am pretty sure that they abort both sexes of babies.

 

[Farb]

Probably for the same reason there is a spike in anything after it has been reported on and made more widely known. People who used to suffer in silence, or take their own lives out of desperation, now have knowledge that they aren’t alone and other people feel the same way.

If your contention is that people are being persuaded to be trans, why is it that the percentage is still well below the study you quoted as some sort of “gotcha”? Where is the huge spike?

And that percentage isn’t those who take any sort of treatment or action as adolescents, btw, it is the number who identify as trans. So the number of adolescents being treated would presumably be lower.

How do you explain this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teenagers-national-survey.html

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Is there a large difference between those with gender dysphoria and those that are gay that attempt suicide?

No spike?

 

[Farb]

Farb is just a completely bad faith poster at this point. It didn’t used to be that way.

That just means you can't defend your ever changing stances, while mine has not moved.

Remember when you said there were no minors receiving gender affirming care (drugs or surgeries)? I do. Then you were proved wrong

Remember when you said it was only in rare cases? I do and then you were proven wrong.

Remember when you said that it is happening but but the science backed it up? I do and then you were proven wrong.

Now your stance is what? It has to happen or they will commit suicide? This is also wrong.

Just admit your stance is what your talking heads tell you to believe and that would be correct.

 

[Farb]

Exactly which surgeries are they talking about? They are probably not lying, but the outrage porn sites that you frequent probably are lying.

read the article, it explains it. Do you think a breast removal is reversible? Do you think hormone suppression has no life long side effects?

 

[MT15]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teenagers-national-survey.html

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Is there a large difference between those with gender dysphoria and those that are gay that attempt suicide?

No spike?

Do you think the efforts from the right to demonize gay and trans people could contribute to their desperation and suicide attempts?

If the current % of adolescents who identify as trans is 1.4%, and that’s the largest number I found in a quick search (I also saw 0.6%) then this doesn’t signify a big spike. Especially since the survey you posted says that up to 4% of adults sometimes have gender issues.

If something goes from 0.7% to 1.4% that can be used to whip up panic as “100% jump in youth who identify as trans!” It’s not really a huge jump, though, and well within what your post says is to be expected.

 

[MT15]

Remember when you said there were no minors receiving gender affirming care (drugs or surgeries)? I do. Then you were proved wrong

Nope, never said that. I said gender reversals. Full gender reversals. You have a bad habit of misrepresenting what I have said.

 

[Farb]

Do you think the efforts from the right to demonize gay and trans people could contribute to their desperation and suicide attempts?

If the current % of adolescents who identify as trans is 1.4%, and that’s the largest number I found in a quick search (I also saw 0.6%) then this doesn’t signify a big spike. Especially since the survey you posted says that up to 4% of adults sometimes have gender issues.

If something goes from 0.7% to 1.4% that can be used to whip up panic as “100% jump in youth who identify as trans!” It’s not really a huge jump, though, and well within what your post says is to be expected.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
In 2021, about 42,000 children and teens across the United States received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, nearly triple the number in 2017, according to data Komodo compiled for Reuters. Gender dysphoria is defined as the distress caused by a discrepancy between a person’s gender identity and the one assigned to them at birth.

Overall, the analysis found that at least 121,882 children ages 6 to 17 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria from 2017 through 2021. Reuters found similar trends when it requested state-level data on diagnoses among children covered by Medicaid, the public insurance program for lower-income families.

Gender-affirming care for youths takes several forms, from social recognition of a preferred name and pronouns to medical interventions such as hormone therapy and, sometimes, surgery. A small but increasing number of U.S. children diagnosed with gender dysphoria are choosing medical interventions to express their identity and help alleviate their distress.

These medical treatments don’t begin until the onset of puberty, typically around age 10 or 11.