All Things LGBTQ+ (8 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[RobF]

Coming from the person who constantly accuses people they disagree with of lying.....


NEW YORK (AP) — A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House.

The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. The judgment adds to Trump’s legal woes and offers vindication to Carroll, whose allegations had been mocked and dismissed by Trump for years.

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House. The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on...

apnews.com

I know you've seen this before, so do try to keep up:

Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal

Ex-president claimed that writer defamed him when saying he raped her, but judge said term is commonly ‘used and understood’ in context

www.theguardian.com

"Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll."

 

[MT15]

So you don't believe women if they accuse Democrats of rape. Nice

Nope, that’s another lie from you. But you support a racist so I’m not surprised.

 

[MT15]

Coming from the person who constantly accuses people they disagree with of lying.....


NEW YORK (AP) — A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House.

The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. The judgment adds to Trump’s legal woes and offers vindication to Carroll, whose allegations had been mocked and dismissed by Trump for years.

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House. The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on...

apnews.com

Not coincidentally, Reade’s false accusation about Joe Biden exactly mirrors what Trump did to Carroll. Yet, you call one rape and one not. Why is that?

 

[MT15]

Why do you constantly parrot establishment narratives no matter what? I'm aware it hasn't been peer reviewed yet, because I posted that. It's from the Mayo Clinic. Will you try to discredit them as a right wing conspiracy?

There is also the British researcher I posted that talked about it.

Also:

We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of puberty suppressing hormones to make the treatment routinely available at this time.”

Children to stop getting puberty blockers at gender identity clinics, says NHS England | Gender | The Guardian

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There is also the WPATH Files that discredits the treatment of transgenders. You didn't have much to say in that thread besides your normal vague statement. The Washington Post and The Guardian reporter on it. Typical right wing outlets.

So now trying to point out that scientific method requires questioning and proving and re-proving discoveries is an “establishment narrative”? This is clownish drivel.

 

[SaintForLife]

I know you've seen this before, so do try to keep up:

Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal

Ex-president claimed that writer defamed him when saying he raped her, but judge said term is commonly ‘used and understood’ in context

www.theguardian.com

"Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll."

The charge was decided by a jury and not that judge. We can all see that the jury rejected the rape charge.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Why do you think there is a spike in kids that report to be trans in the last few years?

I think eating, drinking and breathing in copious amount of pollutants that are genetic and endocrine disruptors has lead to a spike in the natural occurrence.

No matter what's causing an increase in the frequency of the natural occurrence, it's a natural occurrence and we should accept and respect them, their autonomy, and their parents's autonomy.

 

[RobF]

The charge was decided by a jury and not that judge. We can all see that the jury rejected the rape charge.

I just knew you were going to ignore the article and then say something ignorant that's explicitly addressed in the article:

"Kaplan had already outlined why it was not defamation for Carroll to say Trump raped her.

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law."

Hence, it can correctly be said that Trump raped Carroll. Like this:

Trump raped Carroll.

 

[CoolBrees]

The only rapist here is Trump- he was found liable by his peers for raping Caroll.

Nobody is mentioning the other 11 accusations against him- including a 12 year old. Those are allegations, and law enforcement chose not to pursue so they will forever remain allegations.

Trump was found liable in court. That is no longer an allegation it is a fact. He raped her with his tiny hands and now has to pay her millions he doesn't have.

Oh he also is going to be convicted of soliciting sex for money and trying to cover it up.

While his fake wife is pregnant with "his" child.

And has been found liable for $450 million which he doesn't have so he will lose Trump Tower among other assets. He can't even cover the bond to appeal.

So to recap-

Those who support Trump support a convicted rapist, tax cheat and has to pay a porn star to sleep with him. This are not up for debate or can be disputed.

That is who you support.

 

[SaintForLife]

I just knew you were going to ignore the article and then say something ignorant that's explicitly addressed in the article:

"Kaplan had already outlined why it was not defamation for Carroll to say Trump raped her.

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law."

Hence, it can correctly be said that Trump raped Carroll. Like this:

Trump raped Carroll.

His reasoning is ridiculous while trying to get around the fact that it didn't fit the definition of rape in New York law.

But the judge said the jury's finding that Trump forcibly and without consent penetrated Carroll's vagina made her rape claim "substantially true under common modern parlance," even if it did not fit the definition of rape under New York law.
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Luckily we can see exactly what the jury found and that you and the judge are full of shirt

 

[CoolBrees]

SFL -

Do you support all convicted rapists or just Trump?

 

[LA - L.A.]

I've noticed what I see as a change in tactic on social media. At this point, the christian taliban/christian white nationalists don't seem to be focused as much on recruiting or spreading propaganda.

It seems that their new goal is to drag everyone down to their level by reducing every discussion, that runs contrary to what they support and believe, into a 2nd grade, back and forth shouting match of "I know you are, but what am I."

They're having a lot more success at that than they should.

I think there's a realization on their part that they aren't going to be able to recruit or change many more people's minds and that they aren't capable of restraining or hiding their immaturity, dishonesty and hypocrisy.

I think they're desperately trying to drag everybody into the muck with them, because it's their safe space and where they feel they have a home court advantage.

One doesn't need to take the high road with them, just don't let them drag you down into the muck with them. Don't give them what they so desperately want.

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL -

Do you support all convicted rapists or just Trump?

Says the guy who supports Biden who raped Tara Reade.

Do they not teach reading comprehension in your neck of the woods because everyone can see that the jury rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped?

 

[CoolBrees]

That is an allegation.

Tara Reade accused Biden.

Trump was found guilty of using his tiny little fingers to rape a women and you champion it.

Seriously, I know you are an incel but being happy she was raped is pretty low even for you

 

[SaintForLife]

That is an allegation.

Tara Reade accused Biden.

Trump was found guilty of using his tiny little fingers to rape a women and you champion it.

Seriously, I know you are an incel but being happy she was raped is pretty low even for you

What happened to believe all women? I know. It's (D)ifferent

 

[CoolBrees]

I hope your family doesn't know you support rape

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[RobF]

His reasoning is ridiculous while trying to get around the fact that it didn't fit the definition of rape in New York law.

But the judge said the jury's finding that Trump forcibly and without consent penetrated Carroll's vagina made her rape claim "substantially true under common modern parlance," even if it did not fit the definition of rape under New York law.

Stop and take look at yourself for a moment. You're clowning yourself, being willfully ignorant, trying to argue that shoving your finger up someone isn't rape, in an attempt to defend a rapist. That is what you're doing here.

As if being able to say, "shoving your finger up a woman without their consent is rape as defined in pretty much every dictionary and many legal codes, but in New York penal law it's sexual abuse" makes it all go away?

What do you think is going to happen? Do you think everyone is going to join you and pretend not only that rape is not defined more widely than it is in New York penal law, but that sexual abuse isn't also a terrible thing? Like if you could convince yourself you're 'only' defending a sexual abuser, that'd be ok?

That's, obviously, incredibly stupid. It's never, ever, going to achieve anything. I doubt you're even convincing yourself, and that's saying something.

 

[Optimus Prime]

What happened to believe all women? I know. It's (D)ifferent

You’ve posted this like three times

“Trump didn’t rape her he just sexually assaulted her” is a very weird hill to die on