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    Very sobering article
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    If you know people still in denial about the crisis of American democracy, kindly remove their heads from the sand long enough to receive this message: A startling new finding by one of the nation’s top authorities on foreign civil wars says we are on the cusp of our own.

    Barbara F. Walter, a political science professorat the University of California at San Diego, serves on a CIA advisory panel called the Political Instability Task Force that monitors countries around the world and predicts which of them are most at risk of deteriorating into violence.

    By law, the task force can’t assess what’s happening within the United States, but Walter, a longtime friend who has spent her career studying conflicts in Syria, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Rwanda, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere, applied the predictive techniques herself to this country.

    Her bottom line: “We are closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe.” She lays out the argument in detail in her must-read book, “How Civil Wars Start,” out in January. “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war,” she writes.

    But, “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America — the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or the Ivory Coast or Venezuela — you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely.

    And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

    Indeed, the United States has already gone through what the CIA identifies as the first two phases of insurgency — the “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” phases — and only time will tell whether the final phase, “open insurgency,” began with the sacking of the Capitol by Donald Trump supporters on Jan. 6.

    Things deteriorated so dramatically under Trump, in fact, that the United States no longer technically qualifies as a democracy. Citing the Center for Systemic Peace’s “Polity” data set — the one the CIA task force has found to be most helpful in predicting instability and violence — Walter writes that the United States is now an “anocracy,” somewhere between a democracy and an autocratic state.

    U.S. democracy had received the Polity index’s top score of 10, or close to it, for much of its history. But in the five years of the Trump era, it tumbled precipitously into the anocracy zone; by the end of his presidency, the U.S. score had fallen to a 5, making the country a partial democracy for the first time since 1800.

    “We are no longer the world’s oldest continuous democracy,” Walter writes. “That honor is now held by Switzerland, followed by New Zealand, and then Canada. We are no longer a peer to nations like Canada, Costa Rica, and Japan, which are all rated a +10 on the Polity index.”…….

    Others have reached similar findings. The Stockholm-based International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance put the United States on a list of “backsliding democracies” in a report last month.

    “The United States, the bastion of global democracy, fell victim to authoritarian tendencies itself," the report said.

    And a new survey by the academic consortium Bright Line Watch found that 17 percent of those who identify strongly as Republicans support the use of violence to restore Trump to power, and 39 percent favor doing everything possible to prevent Democrats from governing effectively……



     

    Not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria, so trans ≠ mental disorder.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255
    Ok, if that is the case, then why is a mental health services involved for any type of gender affirming care? Actually, the first resource listed at the mayo clinic.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-pr...gender-women/care-at-mayo-clinic/pcc-20470695

    Just repeating the same words over and over does it make it true in this shared reality.

    Because identity goes beyond the physical and into the mental and emotional. You don't need to see your GP to speak with a mental health professional about anxiety and depression because those are mental. You don't need to speak with your psychiatrist before having kidney stones removed because that is physical.

    And, more importantly, just because you do consult a mental health professional doesn't mean you actually suffer from a mental health condition.

    There. I am bookmarking this post for the next time you claim to have not been told this shirt.
     
    The cracks in the foundations of the United States are widening, rapidly and on several fronts. The overturning of Roe v Wade has provoked a legitimacy crisis no matter what your politics.

    For the right, the leaking of the draft memo last month revealed the breakdown of bipartisanship and common purpose within the institution.

    For the left, it demonstrated the will of dubiously selected Republican justices to overturn established rights that have somewhere near 70% to 80% political support.

    Accelerating political violence, like the attack in Buffalo, increasingly blurs the line between the mainstream political conservative movement and outright murderous insanity.

    The question is no longer whether there will be a civil conflict in the United States. The question is how the sides will divide, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and how those strengths and weaknesses will determine the outcome.

    The right wing has been imagining a civil war, publicly, since at least the Obama administration.

    Back in 2016, when it looked like Hillary Clinton would win the election, then Kentucky governor Matt Bevin described the possibility in apocalyptic terms: “The roots of the tree of liberty are watered by what? The blood. Of who? The tyrants, to be sure. But who else? The patriots. Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren,” he told supporters at the Values Voter Summit.

    The possibility of civil war has long been a mainstay of rightwing talk radio. Needless to say, when the right conjures these fantasies of cleansing violence, they tend to fantasize their own victory.

    Steve King, while still a congressman from Iowa, tweeted an image of red and blue America at war, with the line: “Folks keep talking about another civil war. One side has about 8tn bullets, while the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use.”

    Any time anyone acts on their violent rhetoric, the rightwing politicians and media elites are appalled that anyone would connect what they say to what others do. “We need to understand we’re under attack, and we need to understand this is 21st-century warfare and get on a war footing,” Alex Jones said in the lead-up to the Capitol riot…….

    The conflict, which on the surface seems so unequal, with an emboldened and violent right against a demoralized and disorganized left, is not as one-sided as it looks at first.

    It is unequal but it is also highly asymmetrical. The right has the weaponry and an electoral system weighted overwhelmingly in its favor. The left has money and tech…….



     
    The Biden administration is saying men can get pregnant? What I'm saying is you tend to frame your arguments against far-left positions that hardly anyone on the left hold. But that's MAGA in a nutshell.
    Really? So those discussions on this board with people that do hold those far-left positions didn't really happen? Was I discussing with a Russian bot?
     
    Not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria, so trans ≠ mental disorder.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255


    Because identity goes beyond the physical and into the mental and emotional. You don't need to see your GP to speak with a mental health professional about anxiety and depression because those are mental. You don't need to speak with your psychiatrist before having kidney stones removed because that is physical.

    And, more importantly, just because you do consult a mental health professional doesn't mean you actually suffer from a mental health condition.

    There. I am bookmarking this post for the next time you claim to have not been told this shirt.
    "However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention."

    This is what you are basing your argument on? True, some mentally ill people don't know they are mentally ill. I had an uncle that was crazy as a outhouse rat. He thought he was the smartest guy in the room. He thought he was helping his brother and his family when in reality, his brother and family were taking care of him. Everyone played along for his sake. Remind you of anything?
     
    "However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention."

    This is what you are basing your argument on? True, some mentally ill people don't know they are mentally ill. I had an uncle that was crazy as a outhouse rat. He thought he was the smartest guy in the room. He thought he was helping his brother and his family when in reality, his brother and family were taking care of him. Everyone played along for his sake. Remind you of anything?

    Reminds me of a certain person's role here on the forum.
     
    "However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention."

    This is what you are basing your argument on? True, some mentally ill people don't know they are mentally ill.

    You're back to ignoring facts again. Yawn.

    I had an uncle that was crazy as a outhouse rat. He thought he was the smartest guy in the room. He thought he was helping his brother and his family when in reality, his brother and family were taking care of him. Everyone played along for his sake. Remind you of anything?

    Yeah. It reminds me that mental illness can be hereditary and anyone in a family with a history of it should speak to a professional. It's why I see someone when my mental health takes a downward swing.
     
    Really? So those discussions on this board with people that do hold those far-left positions didn't really happen? Was I discussing with a Russian bot?
    So people on this board represent everyone left of center writ-large? I'm sure you've done a statistical study on that. What's funnier is if you scrutinize those threads as I know you do, then you've in fact seen me disagree with a lot of the more extremist transgender issues.
     
    So people on this board represent everyone left of center writ-large? I'm sure you've done a statistical study on that. What's funnier is if you scrutinize those threads as I know you do, then you've in fact seen me disagree with a lot of the more extremist transgender issues.
    You have disagreed with several of those alt-left things. I have notice, and I it made me proud!
    Seriously though, I know most (maybe 80%) on this board that are 'left' don't follow the whole alt-left marching orders. I also know that I make up less than 20% of the conservatives on this board. I am much too right-wing for a lot of them and that is fine. That is why I tend to keep to a few threads so I don't fight the culture war all over the place on this board or 'follow' around posters that I disagree with. So I guess you are welcome? ;)
     
    I am much too right-wing for a lot of them and that is fine. That is why I tend to keep to a few threads so I don't fight the culture war all over the place on this board
    Is that the official reason for why you aren't in the Jan. 6th Committee thread?
     
    You have disagreed with several of those alt-left things. I have notice, and I it made me proud!
    Seriously though, I know most (maybe 80%) on this board that are 'left' don't follow the whole alt-left marching orders. I also know that I make up less than 20% of the conservatives on this board. I am much too right-wing for a lot of them and that is fine. That is why I tend to keep to a few threads so I don't fight the culture war all over the place on this board or 'follow' around posters that I disagree with. So I guess you are welcome? ;)

    Yet the only threads I see you in are the ones where you "fight the culture war", even though there are plenty of threads with great discussions that have nothing to do with the "culture war."
     
    Yet the only threads I see you in are the ones where you "fight the culture war", even though there are plenty of threads with great discussions that have nothing to do with the "culture war."
    I know I irk people so, my self-limitation is a net-positive for the board IMO.
     
    In particular, this:

    And the second stage, you start to have a few isolated attacks. And in the manual, it says, really the danger in this stage is that governments and citizens aren’t aware that this is happening. And so when an attack occurs, it’s usually just dismissed as an isolated incident, and people are not connecting the dots yet. And because they’re not connecting the dots, the movement is allowed to grow until you have open insurgency, when you start to have a series of consistent attacks, and it becomes impossible to ignore.

    I think we're here. This also reminds me a lot of this thread:


    And how dots were starting to connect way back in 2018, while the majority were still in denial.
     
    I agree for the most part with this guy’s take. Right wing media has been actively gaslighting people for decades. It’s all BS.





     
    So basically, you can kill a lot of people in a short period of time. And some people fear hope that they may have to in the near future
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    The gun industry’s report last week that there are 24 million AR-15/AK-47 rifles in America got us wondering why it’s America’s favorite weapon.

    In asking those who own and sell them, we heard the usual: The rifles are fun to shoot, they’re accurate, and there are thousands of configurations to play with.

    But from others, we heard a more ominous reason: With crime surging and concerns of civil war, the rifles are considered the best defensive weapon in a breakdown of society.

    Drew Miller, who is expanding his network of Fortitude Ranch survival camps to 11 states, told us that self-defense is a more important reason to have the firearm than hunting. “The biggest and best argument for semi-automatic rifles with high-capacity magazines is their use for defense in a collapse," he said.

    A standard rifle won’t hold back armed hoards, he said.

    “Fortitude Ranch believes that the biggest and best argument for semi-automatic rifles with high-capacity magazines is their use for defense in a collapse. This is the reason preppers and survival communities like Fortitude Ranch buy these weapons and high-capacity magazines. If you are trying to defend your family when there is no police protection, you could face a marauder group with dozens of armed thieves and killers coming at you. A five-round shotgun or bolt action rifle with just a small clip and you’ll be dead quickly,” he said.

    His emphasis on AR-15 and AK-15 style rifles and pistols comes as President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris are urging a ban on the weapons and parts, such as extended magazines that Miller said are key to protecting yourself..........

     
    But from others, we heard a more ominous reason: With crime surging and concerns of civil war, the rifles are considered the best defensive weapon in a breakdown of society.
    This is what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    “The biggest and best argument for semi-automatic rifles with high-capacity magazines is their use for defense in a collapse,"
    At least some gun owners are finally dropping the hunting/sport shooting/collecting charade.

    Guns are made for killing. AR-15s are made for killing people, specifically.
     

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