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[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.

 

[SaintForLife]

Maybe that is why.... Imagine people actually doing their homework when it comes to voting....

In person voting doesn't allow people to do their homework on the candidates beforehand?

 

[efil4]

I wonder if he thought that tweet was supposed to be a private message.

US has been orchestrating coups for years.

What he is telling you, which you already know, is Trump is fond of dictators.

 

[Booker]

We have no idea whether or not voting by mail on such a massive scale could be prone to fraud. I don't see how we can point to the smaller number of mail in votes in states to say that it would be the same if national elections were conducted strictly by mail. Do you think that could be implemented by every state in time for the election in November with confidence of the security of the votes?

There are a number of states that regularly use mail in ballots, and some do it exclusively, so we do know that it can be done without fraud. Again, this isn't one big election, this is 50 separate ones, and if each state focused on getting it done it could absolutely be accomplished.

1. Once the ballot has been finalized, print one up for every registered voter, making sure each ballot has a unique code for authentication (if the state is already printing absentee ballots, then all you're changing is the volume).
2. Use voting rolls to send out ballots to registered voters.
3. Have voters mail (or drop off) ballots) to the polling place (in Colorado votes must be received by election day).
4. Count the votes.

What's so hard?

 

[SaintForLife]

There are a number of states that regularly use mail in ballots, and some do it exclusively, so we do know that it can be done without fraud. Again, this isn't one big election, this is 50 separate ones, and if each state focused on getting it done it could absolutely be accomplished.

1. Once the ballot has been finalized, print one up for every registered voter, making sure each ballot has a unique code for authentication (if the state is already printing absentee ballots, then all you're changing is the volume).
2. Use voting rolls to send out ballots to registered voters.
3. Have voters mail (or drop off) ballots) to the polling place (in Colorado votes must be received by election day).
4. Count the votes.

What's so hard?

I disagree that it could be done in time for the election in November while ensuring the integrity and security of the vote. That doesn't even include getting all 50 states to agree to only mail in voting.

 

[Nebaghead]

We have no idea whether or not voting by mail on such a massive scale could be prone to fraud. I don't see how we can point to the smaller number of mail in votes in states to say that it would be the same if national elections were conducted strictly by mail. Do you think that could be implemented by every state in time for the election in November with confidence of the security of the votes?

Oregon doing it for 2 decades seems like a pretty good test on how it works.

 

[CoolBrees]

So the states were put in charge of handling Covid19 outbreak which was novel- with no support from the federal government because they were local and knew how to work their one state.

But mailing an envelope to peoples homes is more than they can handle.

Can you guys make up your mind on if the states should be in charge or not

 

[Booker]

In person voting doesn't allow people to do their homework on the candidates beforehand?

It's the down ballot stuff that people don't do their homework on. There are usually a number of initiative as well as races for local offices that I'd wager most people don't put much consideration in until they step into the voting booth. Seriously, who hasn't ever had to wait in line to vote while you've got someone in front of you taking forever because they must be trying to read, comprehend and decide on all the initiatives while in the booth?

 

[Taurus]

We have no idea whether or not voting by mail on such a massive scale could be prone to fraud. I don't see how we can point to the smaller number of mail in votes in states to say that it would be the same if national elections were conducted strictly by mail. Do you think that could be implemented by every state in time for the election in November with confidence of the security of the votes?

Not in the South, no. Certainly not Georgia. But then, I feel the same about in-person voting there, too. The Republicans already rig every election they can. With mail-in, they just have to start from scratch in figuring out how.
My guess is they'll ramp up what they already do to Native Americans and make it illegal to send ballots to anything but a physical address. No apartment mailboxes allowed. That's the kind of thing they're good at. Making a rule that sounds reasonable but which explicitly screws likely Democrat voters.

 

[Ayo]

Oregon doing it for 2 decades seems like a pretty good test on how it works.

I've been doing it for one and a half. And it's awesome.

 

[MT15]

I disagree that it could be done in time for the election in November while ensuring the integrity and security of the vote. That doesn't even include getting all 50 states to agree to only mail in voting.

every single state already does it. And I don’t think anybody is saying “mail only” by this November. You keep saying things like you don’t know if it could be done with ensuring the integrity, so are the current mail in votes without integrity?

It’s just a matter of scaling up what they already do. Where would be the opportunity for fraud? How would that fraud occur on a scale that would actually matter?

The push against mail in voting is completely self serving by the right. They are just going along with Trump on it, which, BTW, Trump’s campaign is actively encouraging their voters to vote by mail and they have never stopped doing that. It’s completely nonsensical.

 

[FullMonte]

The push against mail in voting is completely self serving by the right. They are just going along with Trump on it, which, BTW, Trump’s campaign is actively encouraging their voters to vote by mail and they have never stopped doing that. It’s completely nonsensical.

Trump's CAMPAIGN?? Please. Trump himself tweeted out that everyone in Florida should go out and vote by mail.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So those unprecedented things Trump is known for doing... looks like we might be getting another one.

Trump said he may deliver convention speech from White House

President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he will "probably" deliver his Republican National Convention acceptance speech live from the White House after scrapping his plans to deliver the speech in Charlotte, North Carolina.

www.cnn.com

 

[MT15]

If anything can be looked at as a silver lining, let’s hope all of this shows us where we need to shore up our guardrails. What good are the Emoluments clause, or the Hatch Act in this case, if there isn’t any enforcement mechanism to give them teeth when an Administration cares nothing about ethics or law?

To Trump they may as well not exist.

I do know Trump is immune from the Hatch Act, but his staff isn’t and we have seen multiple violations.

 

[Taurus]

If anything can be looked at as a silver lining, let’s hope all of this shows us where we need to shore up our guardrails. What good are the Emoluments clause, or the Hatch Act in this case, if there isn’t any enforcement mechanism to give them teeth when an Administration cares nothing about ethics or law?

To Trump they may as well not exist.

I do know Trump is immune from the Hatch Act, but his staff isn’t and we have seen multiple violations.

Not just enforcement options, but an *imperative* to enforce them. Like, no matter who the AG is, or the President, there's a mechanism to compel *someone* to enforce these things.

Some of it's on us, too. You can only have so many suspenders and so many belts.

"What if the President is corrupt?"
"Well, the Attorney General can investigate"
"What if the AG is a fawning, useless lapdog?"
"Well, Congress can impeach and remove either or both of them."
"What if the Senate is so partisan and corrupt they won't do it and won't even call witnesses or hear evidence?"
"Well...uhm...wow, you voted yourselves into quite a pickle. Wait four years, I guess?"

 

[CoolBrees]

Well there are Hatch Act Violations and then there is giving a political speech from the Oval Office Hatch Act violations, so there is some hope that it would be stopped prior to it happening.

I am almost certain I have heard that as the example used when defending other Hatch Act violations. “Let’s not act like he gave the nomination speech from the Oval Office or anything.”

 

[Taurus]

Ok, I have to ask. What on Earth is Trump's fixation on payroll taxes about?
The dude usually vacillates like bamboo in a hurricane but kicking trans people out of the military and payroll tax cuts seem to be obsessions he refuses to let go of.
What gives?

 

[Richard]

Ok, I have to ask. What on Earth is Trump's fixation on payroll taxes about?

Unless I miss my guess, it is all about being able to say that he reduced taxes when on the campaign trail. The previous tax cut was ill-conceived and was strictly done for political benefit. Any payroll tax cut would amount to the same thing. While there can be legitimate arguments made for reducing or even eliminating payroll taxes, this would be just for show, since the benefits to people during the pandemic would be minimal and wouldn't help the unemployed at all. Strictly carnival.

 

[nolaspe]

Ol' donny boy makes Jonah Ryan look like a Mensa all-star...