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    The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.
     
    Which polical opponents has Trump put in jail or were you talking about Democrats pushing for Trump associates to be put in jail?

    Trump has called for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden to all be imprisoned. They have not been "put in jail" because the Constitution requires an actual legal basis for jailing them.

    Prosecutors serving in Trump's own Department of Justice have prosecuted several of his associates for crimes and obtained at least two jury verdicts and multiple voluntary pleas. Trump's personal lawyer, campaign manager, national security adviser, and multiple campaign associates have committed documented crimes.

    No matter how dense Trump supporters want to pretend to be (or actually are), no one is buying any of your faux moral outrage any more. You've ceded the right to pretend to be outraged by corruption or immorality for at least a generation.
     
    Trump has called for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden to all be imprisoned. They have not been "put in jail" because the Constitution requires an actual legal basis for jailing them.

    Prosecutors serving in Trump's own Department of Justice have prosecuted several of his associates for crimes and obtained at least two jury verdicts and multiple voluntary pleas. Trump's personal lawyer, campaign manager, national security adviser, and multiple campaign associates have committed documented crimes.

    No matter how dense Trump supporters want to pretend to be (or actually are), no one is buying any of your faux moral outrage any more. You've ceded the right to pretend to be outraged by corruption or immorality for at least a generation.
    Yeah because calling for politcal opponents to be put in jail is similar to hoping that political opponents die from Covid.😒

    That's an odd argument for you to make considering the Democrats have been calling for Trump and his associates to be put in jail from even before the election and still are currently.

    I have yet to see you make one post criticizing Obama for spying on his party's presidential opponent during an election based of flimsy evidence so you can spare me your sanctimonious lecture.
     
    ive seen the Axios - its just comical. He is so uncomfortable being challenged its cringe-worthy.

    He interrupts to maintain the narrative, but the young man aint having none of it lolol
     
    If it's okay for millions of people to protest, why can't people cast their votes like normal? Couldn't we have special times for seniors or high risk people?
    Colorado holds all elections by mail, so that's how I normally vote. Once you get used to filling out a ballot at the kitchen table, when you can take time and actually review some of the candidates and initiatives you're not familiar with, you'll never want to go back to standing in line and voting in a booth.

    Not to mention you're making a false equivalency -- if you added all the protesters across the country do you even get to one or even a few million, as opposed to the approximately 130 million people who will vote this fall?

    The better question is, why is the right wing so afraid of making voting easy for people to do and why are they so eager to suppress voting rights?
     
    Colorado holds all elections by mail, so that's how I normally vote. Once you get used to filling out a ballot at the kitchen table, when you can take time and actually review some of the candidates and initiatives you're not familiar with, you'll never want to go back to standing in line and voting in a booth.

    Not to mention you're making a false equivalency -- if you added all the protesters across the country do you even get to one or even a few million, as opposed to the approximately 130 million people who will vote this fall?

    The better question is, why is the right wing so afraid of making voting easy for people to do and why are they so eager to suppress voting rights?

    Maybe that is why.... Imagine people actually doing their homework when it comes to voting....
     
    Colorado holds all elections by mail, so that's how I normally vote. Once you get used to filling out a ballot at the kitchen table, when you can take time and actually review some of the candidates and initiatives you're not familiar with, you'll never want to go back to standing in line and voting in a booth.

    Not to mention you're making a false equivalency -- if you added all the protesters across the country do you even get to one or even a few million, as opposed to the approximately 130 million people who will vote this fall?

    The better question is, why is the right wing so afraid of making voting easy for people to do and why are they so eager to suppress voting rights?
    I'm not saying mail by voting is bad, but that's something that needs to be debated publicly and not rushed into without the proper systems to handle that huge change. Look at what happened in New York recently. Those elections were way too much for the current system to handle and they were only local elections.

    Do you think a few months is enough time to debate how it should work, to create a national system that can handle the huge increase in mail in votes while also making sure it's secure?

    The New York Times estimated the amount of protestors to be 15 to 26 million.
     
    so to our conservative friends-

    Your president just said a private company needs to give part of their profit to the government.

    That blows right by Socialism and land squarely in the middle of Communism.

    So what say you? Care to defend? Is he right? Should we become Communist?
    How many times have you seen us defend the idiotic things that Trump says like what you are talking about now?
     
    Here is a pretty interesting (and obvious) opinion piece on the Axios interview. Not a long read but touches on the necessary points.


    Not even going to lie. This level of narcissism was even surprising for Trump.

    But the crowning spasm of narcissism came at the end, when Swan asked about the passing of John Lewis, civil-rights icon and genuine hero of the American experiment, who at the time of the interview was lying in state at the United States Capitol. "How do you think history will remember John Lewis?" Swan asked, offering up a softball for any reasonably well-adjusted politician to knock out of the park. Here was the American president's answer:

    TRUMP: I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know. I don't know John Lewis. He chose not to come to my inauguration. He chose—I never met John Lewis, actually, I don't believe.
    SWAN: Do you find him impressive?
    TRUMP: Uh, I can't say one way or another. I find a lot of people impressive, I find a lot of people not impressive...He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches, and that's OK, that's his right. And again, nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have. He should have come. I think he made a big mistake—
    SWAN: But taking your relationship with him out of it. Do you find his story impressive, what he's done for this country?
    TRUMP: He was a person who devoted a lot of energy and a lot of heart to civil rights. But there were many others also.

    Just wow. He didn't come to my inauguration so I couldn't be bothered with showing respect to one of the country's greatest civil rights figures ever? Me, me, me, me me, me!
     
    I'm not saying mail by voting is bad, but that's something that needs to be debated publicly and not rushed into without the proper systems to handle that huge change. Look at what happened in New York recently. Those elections were way too much for the current system to handle and they were only local elections.

    Do you think a few months is enough time to debate how it should work, to create a national system that can handle the huge increase in mail in votes while also making sure it's secure?

    The New York Times estimated the amount of protestors to be 15 to 26 million.
    Then the emphasis should be on logistics and whether and how quickly states can make vote by mail available to their constituents, not on slagging vote by mail as inherently fraudulent. And there wouldn't be a national system as each state holds it's own elections, so it's not like ballots would be crossing state lines or being counted en mass, they would be delivered to local voting precincts to be tallied and checked against voter rolls. It's not that complex -- just look to states that already do it.
     
    Then the emphasis should be on logistics and whether and how quickly states can make vote by mail available to their constituents, not on slagging vote by mail as inherently fraudulent. And there wouldn't be a national system as each state holds it's own elections, so it's not like ballots would be crossing state lines or being counted en mass, they would be delivered to local voting precincts to be tallied and checked against voter rolls. It's not that complex -- just look to states that already do it.
    We have no idea whether or not voting by mail on such a massive scale could be prone to fraud. I don't see how we can point to the smaller number of mail in votes in states to say that it would be the same if national elections were conducted strictly by mail. Do you think that could be implemented by every state in time for the election in November with confidence of the security of the votes?
     
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