Would there have been a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer without the close involvement of FBI informants? (1 Viewer)

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    WATCHING THE WATCHMEN​


    In the inky darkness of a late summer night last September, three cars filled with armed men began circling Birch Lake in northern Michigan, looking for ways to approach Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s three-bedroom vacation cottage, subdue her — using a stun gun if necessary — and drag her away.

    One vehicle stopped to check out a boat launch while a second searched in vain for the right house in the thick woods ringing the lake. The third car ran countersurveillance, using night vision goggles to look out for cops and handheld radios to communicate with the others.

    Earlier, they had scoped out a bridge over the Elk River, just a few miles away, scrambling down under the span to figure out where plastic explosives would need to be placed to blow it sky-high. That would slow police response, giving the men time to escape with the governor — who had infuriated them by imposing COVID lockdowns, among other outrages — and either take her to Lake Michigan, where they could abandon her on a boat, or whisk her to Wisconsin, where she would be tried as a “tyrant.”

    “Everybody down with what’s going on?” an Iraq War veteran in the group demanded to know when they ended their recon mission, well past midnight, at a campsite where they were all staying.

    “If you’re not down with the thought of kidnapping,” someone else replied, “don’t sit here.”

    The men planned for all kinds of obstacles, but there was one they didn’t anticipate: The FBI had been listening in all along.

    For six months, the Iraq War vet had been wearing a wire, gathering hundreds of hours of recordings. He wasn’t the only one. A biker who had traveled from Wisconsin to join the group was another informant. The man who’d advised them on where to put the explosives — and offered to get them as much as the task would require — was an undercover FBI agent. So was a man in one of the other cars who said little and went by the name Mark.

    …A longtime government informant from Wisconsin, for example, helped organize a series of meetings around the country where many of the alleged plotters first met one another and the earliest notions of a plan took root, some of those people say. The Wisconsin informant even paid for some hotel rooms and food as an incentive to get people to come.

    The Iraq War vet, for his part, became so deeply enmeshed in a Michigan militant group that he rose to become its second-in-command, encouraging members to collaborate with other potential suspects and paying for their transportation to meetings. He prodded the alleged mastermind of the kidnapping plot to advance his plan, then baited the trap that led to the arrest.

    This account is based on an analysis of court filings, transcripts, exhibits, audio recordings, and other documents, as well as interviews with more than two dozen people with direct knowledge of the case, including several who were present at meetings and training sessions where prosecutors say the plot was hatched. All but one of the 14 original defendants have pleaded not guilty, and they vigorously deny that they were involved in a conspiracy to kidnap anyone.

    Last week, the lawyer for one defendant filed a motion that included texts from an FBI agent to a key informant, the Iraq War veteran, directing him to draw specific people into the conspiracy — potential evidence of entrapment that he said the government “inadvertently disclosed.” He is requesting all texts sent and received by that informant, and other attorneys are now considering motions that accuse the government of intentionally withholding evidence of entrapment.

    Meanwhile, Gregory Townsend, one of the lead prosecutors handling the cases against eight of the defendants in Michigan state court, was reassigned in Maypending an attorney general audit into whether he had withheld evidence about deals cut with informants during a murder and arson trial in Oakland County in 2000. And on Sunday, in a matter apparently unrelated to the alleged kidnapping conspiracy, one of the lead FBI agents in the case, Richard J. Trask, was charged in state court in Kalamazoo with assault with intent to do great bodily harm.





    The FBI has a history of questionable tactics when it comes to confidential informants, entrapment, and their involvement in the plots where they are arresting and prosecuting people. Shouldn’t we be closely examining their involvement and methods or should we just trust the FBI?

     
    I am tired of the bullschlitz. Use your bleeping brain. Entrapment is bull. If you are so weak-brained as to fall for a scam involving crime then you deserve what happens to you.

    Remember when Saint Ronnie the Dim’s wife came up with “just say no”? Try that the next time some idiot comes up with a great idea like kidnapping a governor.
     
    And, the jury system works more than it doesn’t. After listening to the trial, they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
     
    @SaintForLife

    I've got a better rabbit hole for you to burrow into:



    Much more current and you can probably find some way to theorize this is a false flag by Biden to generate support for himself.
     
    I am tired of the bullschlitz. Use your bleeping brain. Entrapment is bull. If you are so weak-brained as to fall for a scam involving crime then you deserve what happens to you.

    Remember when Saint Ronnie the Dim’s wife came up with “just say no”? Try that the next time some idiot comes up with a great idea like kidnapping a governor.
    You may think that and I agree with the sentiment, but the jury isn't wrong, I don't think. They're judging based on what the charges are and not what they think should happen to them. As it should be. Everyone should be judged by the same standards in a court of law.
     
    You may think that and I agree with the sentiment, but the jury isn't wrong, I don't think. They're judging based on what the charges are and not what they think should happen to them. As it should be. Everyone should be judged by the same standards in a court of law.
    Oh, I get the point you are making. To me it is simply a lame azz excuse. “If Tommy Jones jumped off of a bridge, would you jump off of a bridge?” When do people take responsibility for their own actions?

    Or…

    Could it be that humans are psychologically fragile? Socio-economic situations impact the psyche leading to faulty decision-making processes which in turn cause more psychological pressure. This underscores the “rational man” fallacy. Humans can be rational but are not arbitrarily so. Extreme tribalism underscores this.
     
    The laws about entrapment are a check on government overreach. Yes, these guys are skeevy, and not truly innocent. But we do need checks on this sort of thing.
     
    The laws about entrapment are a check on government overreach. Yes, these guys are skeevy, and not truly innocent. But we do need checks on this sort of thing.
    Yeah, people get duped and/or pulled into things all the time. I'm not sure this counts because these guys should know better. But if agents were the ones planting seeds in their head or encouraged them, that's ultimately problematic when trying to build a case against these people.
     
    (Reuters) -A jury in Michigan began deliberations on Monday in the retrial of two men accused by the prosecution of devising an elaborate plot to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, though the defense claimed they were engaged merely in idle chatter.

    Adam Fox, 39, and Barry Croft Jr., 46, face the possibility of life in prison if convicted of kidnapping and weapons conspiracy charges in federal court in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

    A mistrial was declared in their first trial in April, while two other defendants were found not guilty in one of the most prominent cases in years involving domestic terrorism charges and militias.

    In the retrial, prosecutors again used testimony from FBI informants and two key witnesses who pleaded guilty to kidnapping conspiracy charges.

    The alleged plot by Croft and Fox was aimed at forcing an end to the Democratic governor's mandates in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic and pushing the country into conflict as a contentious presidential election approached in November 2020, according to prosecutors.

    Fox compiled a list of tools, including handcuffs and a hood to cover Whitmer’s head, for the alleged plot. Additionally, a makeshift house was built to simulate breaking in to the governor's vacation home in northern Michigan and abducting her, prosecutors said, according to the Detroit News............

     
    JACKSON, Mich. (AP) — A judge on Thursday handed down the longest prison terms so far in the plot to kidnap Michigan's governor, sentencing three men who forged an early alliance with a leader of the scheme before the FBI broke it up in 2020.

    Joe Morrison, Pete Musico and Paul Bellar were not charged with having a direct role in the conspiracy but were members of a paramilitary group that trained with Adam Fox, who separately faces a possible life sentence on Dec. 27 for his federal conviction.

    The trio was convicted in October of providing material support for a terrorist act, which carries a maximum term of 20 years, and two other crimes.

    Musico was sentenced to a minimum of 12 years in prison, followed by his son-in-law Morrison at 10 years and Bellar at seven. They will be eligible for parole after serving those terms.

    Speaking in a recorded video, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer urged the judge to "impose a sentence that meets the gravity of the damage they have done to our democracy.”..........

     
    GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — The co-leader of a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was sentenced Tuesday to 16 years in prison for conspiring to abduct the Democrat and blow up a bridge to ease an escape.

    Adam Fox’s sentence is the longest of anyone convicted in the plot so far, though it’s significantly shorter than the life sentence that prosecutors sought.

    Fox, 39, returned to federal court four months after he and Barry Croft Jr. were convicted of conspiracy charges at a second trial in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

    They were accused of organizing a wild plot to whip up anti-government extremists just before the 2020 presidential election. Their arrest, as well as the capture of 12 others, was a stunning coda to a tumultuous yearof racial strife and political turmoil in the U.S.

    The government said Croft offered bomb-making skills and ideology while Fox was the “driving force urging their recruits to take up arms, kidnap the governor and kill those who stood in their way.”


    But Judge Robert J. Jonker said that while Fox’s sentence was needed as a punishment and deterrent to future similar acts, the government’s request for life in prison is “not necessary to achieve those purposes.”……

     
    A Delaware trucker described as a co-leader of the conspiracy to kidnap Michigan’s governor has been sentenced to more than 19 years in prison.

    Barry Croft Jr was the fourth and final federal defendant to learn his fate, a day after ally Adam Fox was sentenced to 16 years in prison. The two men were convicted in August of conspiracy charges at a second trial in Grand Rapids…….

     
    A militia plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the Democratic governor of Michigan, was foiled by the FBI, and the 14 men involved were arrested just weeks before the November 2020 election. Now, almost three years later, the last three members of the scheme to be tried will plead their cases in court.

    Opening arguments began Monday for Eric Molitor and brothers William and Michael Null, a trio of men who prosecutors say are anti-government extremists angry with the governor's decision to enforce Covid-19 mitigation policies such as shutting down schools and closing businesses.

    The defendants were members of a large right-wing gang that had reportedly discussed attacking the state capitol in Lansing with the hopes of kicking off a civil war, according to prosecutors. Nine men involved in the plot have been convicted already. Four entered guilty pleas and two others were acquitted.……

     

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