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    If the Nov. 2024 ballot was DNC President Biden and GOP Donald Trump, I would certainly avoid both of them and look for another candidate.
    I just came across an online article that Senator Joe Manchin is CONSIDERING becoming a 3rd Party candidate.
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    Naturally his fellow Democrats would not like that.
    #1 West Virginia would possibly elect a Republican to be their next Senator
    #2 Manchin wouldn't win the presidency and he'd pull more votes from Biden than he would from Trump.
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    I'd CONSIDER voting for Manchin. IF he ran...AND the media gave him any "air time", then I think he'd make things interesting. :sneaky:
    Historically, Most 3rd Party Candidates were names that MOST "regular folks" never heard of. Ross Perrot was an exception.
    But again, my point is that most 3rd party candidates have received such a small number of votes because no one knew them and everyone knew they had no chance.
    Senator Joe Manchin DOES have name recognition going for him.
    When Biden's term began, I think there was some publication that called Joe Manchin: "The Most Powerful Man In Washington". An exaggeration of course, but he often "held the keys" to IF a Biden backed bill passed or it didn't.
    Anyway, what say you about anything I've posted here?
     
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    Biden=Obama=Clinton, that is how progressives see the Democratic Party and that is how history will show how they governed.

    I like to post up this article from time to time whenever someone on the right claims the left has gone 'radical left' or whatever (while simultaneously ignoring how the right has been leaned hard into christofascism).
     
    2nd one. I saw tv news because I am in the NY viewing area. The reporter stopped random people on the street in her district and no one seemed to think highly of her. No one could point out anything she had done. At the time, she was perceived as turning away Amazon and costing her district a chance at jobs. My opinion is reflecting back to that day I saw the reporter in her district. Yet the election came and she won anyway.

    That's fair, I was just curious. Honestly, I doubt that 95% of the people in this country know what their House representative is doing in their local district or even how they're voting. At most they know which way their representitive leans on social issue that are prominant in politics, if they know anything about at all.

    I garner that AOC is probably doing a lot more in ther district than people think.
     
    YES . Bill Clinton would still win. He was smart and likeable.
    That may be true, but he would win because of the way he governed.

    My opinion about why Biden was elected is unchanged by anything you said.
    That's fine. I will tell you that I voted for him for those reasons and I believe that I'm not alone alone.
     
    I'd say a lot can happen before 2024 and what happens/is happening this summer makes Manchin very vulnerable on what I predict will be one of the most important topics next year - namely global warming. I think many will still remember how Manchin forced Biden to remove key elements of the new green deal and all Manchins endorsements and support by and to the coal industry. I still have many friends in Tennessee and most of them are Trumpers but they are very worried about the environment rigth now and are beginning to realize that global warming is real and will impact their lives as well
     
    I'd say a lot can happen before 2024 and what happens/is happening this summer makes Manchin very vulnerable on what I predict will be one of the most important topics next year - namely global warming. I think many will still remember how Manchin forced Biden to remove key elements of the new green deal and all Manchins endorsements and support by and to the coal industry. I still have many friends in Tennessee and most of them are Trumpers but they are very worried about the environment rigth now and are beginning to realize that global warming is real and will impact their lives as well

    There reallys isn't anybody on the earth that can say they haven't be effected by the sever climate change caused by human industralism/polition we've seen in the last decade. Not everybody may truly understand it (and that's a problem), but everybody has felt it and knows it's real.

    The problem is that those that actively deny it and are resisting any effort to address it are doing it for two reasons. They're either profiting off of it (a small percentage) or they're beind duped by those profiting off of it (a much larger percentage). Because those that are beind duped are living in the alternative reality created by those profiting off of it, they belive it's all a hoax created by those "educated elite" to hurt, mislead, control and profit off of them.

    It will end up consuming us all, if voters continue to give them power in government.
     
    This online article fits nicely into this thread...
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    Much like the majority of Republicans, it doesn't seem that Manchin understands that time only moves forward. All of this bring back the past or bring back the parties of the past is nostaligic and there are a lot of people that would wish for that to be the case, but that's just not how time or our country (or any country) has ever worked.

    People need to let that go if we're ever going to find some sense of unity again and actually move forward with a more cohessive vision for all citizens in this counrty.
     
    Why would someone who has the best interests of the US in mind be against trying to combat the climate changes we are seeing manifested? Why would he oppose protecting voting rights?

    Because he doesn't care about best interests. He represents a coal-mining state that is 92% white, heavily conservative, experiences a high rate of poverty, ranks among the least educated and most religious, and Manchin primarily wants to stay in power than do any actual good.





     
    This online article fits nicely into this thread...
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    Hypocrite. He's only saying and doing this because the state might be electing the insane governor to replace him. When you see someone as weird as Justice likely beating you for your seat simply because of the D behind your name, you say and do stuff like this. Reminds me of Mary Landrieu before she got ousted. Did much of the same, but never discussed leaving.

    Good riddance, Joe.
     
    Manchin is more republican than some republicans are republican. He has been a thorn in Ds side for a while, but at least he is willing to (seemingly most of the time) find a compromise vs full obstructionist as most Rs are
     
    Because he doesn't care about best interests. He represents a coal-mining state that is 92% white, heavily conservative, experiences a high rate of poverty, ranks among the least educated and most religious, and Manchin primarily wants to stay in power than do any actual good.





    Yeah, totally agree. They were more rhetorical than actual questions.
     
    Yeah, totally agree. They were more rhetorical than actual questions.

    I know. I appreciate your understanding of events, but I saw it as an opportunity to fill in some of the details for anybody tempted to misunderstand, or mischaracterize, his situation.
     
    article on the No Labels party by Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.)
    =========================================
    When I first came to Congress, I was enamored with the alleged ideal behind No Labels and their mission to take partisanship out of politics. A world where people can work together on ideas that help the American people despite ideological differences.

    Boy was I wrong.

    Their non-partisan agenda is and always has been dishonest. My first disagreement with No Labels came when I realized they were only looking out for megadonor special interests, advocating for lowering taxes on the rich and powerful, and weakening regulations for big business, making it easier for them to exploit workers or the environment.

    After a short while, I became concerned about who was funding them. One day, I called them to ask, and they told me they would “quietly remove me from their membership rolls.” I told them, “I don’t do anything quietly.”

    I left the organization and the Problem Solvers Caucus. Then No Labels got involved in electoral politics. In 2014, they endorsed Republican Cory Gardner for Senate, despite the fact that he was challenging Mark Udall, the sitting Democratic senator from Colorado. So much for “no labels.”

    Late last year, it was reported that the organization is rife with toxicity and corruption. No Labels is apparently taking a page out of the Donald Trump playbook.

    Fast forward to today.

    No Labels is now working behind the scenes to recruit a “third-party” candidate for president if President Biden and Donald Trump are the two nominees. This is a recipe for disaster.

    Instead of staying out of the current presidential race, No Labels is setting up this scheme to be a spoiler in the 2024 presidential election to prevent Biden from being reelected. They are working behind the scenes to get Trump, an existential threat to our democracy, back into the White House.

    They know what they’re doing. No Labels doesn’t want a president in the White House who stands up to corporate interests like Joe Biden. They want someone like Donald Trump who turns a blind eye to rules, regulations and laws.

    No Labels isn’t even hiding it anymore. They just announced they are on the ballot in 10 states, including Arizona and Nevada where President Biden won by a very narrow margin in 2020.

    No Labels knows that advocating for a third party is only going to take votes away from Joe Biden and attempts to give the electoral college victory to Donald Trump.

    Candidates like Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) or former Utah Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman will only take votes from Biden, not Trump.

    No Labels is doubling down on this anti-democratic approach. One of their billionaire donors is Harlan Crow — the same Harlan Crow who has been acting as Justice Clarence Thomas’s benefactor, taking him and his extreme MAGA wife, Virginia Thomas, on trips all over the country.

    Now why would major Republican donor Harlan Crow give money to No Labels for a third-party candidate? Because he understands it’s all just a ruse to get Donald Trump back into the White House. To cut taxes on the wealthiest Americans. To eliminate regulations for polluters. And to push for an extreme agenda...............

     
    article on the No Labels party by Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.)
    =========================================
    When I first came to Congress, I was enamored with the alleged ideal behind No Labels and their mission to take partisanship out of politics. A world where people can work together on ideas that help the American people despite ideological differences.

    Boy was I wrong.

    Their non-partisan agenda is and always has been dishonest. My first disagreement with No Labels came when I realized they were only looking out for megadonor special interests, advocating for lowering taxes on the rich and powerful, and weakening regulations for big business, making it easier for them to exploit workers or the environment.

    After a short while, I became concerned about who was funding them. One day, I called them to ask, and they told me they would “quietly remove me from their membership rolls.” I told them, “I don’t do anything quietly.”

    I left the organization and the Problem Solvers Caucus. Then No Labels got involved in electoral politics. In 2014, they endorsed Republican Cory Gardner for Senate, despite the fact that he was challenging Mark Udall, the sitting Democratic senator from Colorado. So much for “no labels.”

    Late last year, it was reported that the organization is rife with toxicity and corruption. No Labels is apparently taking a page out of the Donald Trump playbook.

    Fast forward to today.

    No Labels is now working behind the scenes to recruit a “third-party” candidate for president if President Biden and Donald Trump are the two nominees. This is a recipe for disaster.

    Instead of staying out of the current presidential race, No Labels is setting up this scheme to be a spoiler in the 2024 presidential election to prevent Biden from being reelected. They are working behind the scenes to get Trump, an existential threat to our democracy, back into the White House.

    They know what they’re doing. No Labels doesn’t want a president in the White House who stands up to corporate interests like Joe Biden. They want someone like Donald Trump who turns a blind eye to rules, regulations and laws.

    No Labels isn’t even hiding it anymore. They just announced they are on the ballot in 10 states, including Arizona and Nevada where President Biden won by a very narrow margin in 2020.

    No Labels knows that advocating for a third party is only going to take votes away from Joe Biden and attempts to give the electoral college victory to Donald Trump.

    Candidates like Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) or former Utah Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman will only take votes from Biden, not Trump.

    No Labels is doubling down on this anti-democratic approach. One of their billionaire donors is Harlan Crow — the same Harlan Crow who has been acting as Justice Clarence Thomas’s benefactor, taking him and his extreme MAGA wife, Virginia Thomas, on trips all over the country.

    Now why would major Republican donor Harlan Crow give money to No Labels for a third-party candidate? Because he understands it’s all just a ruse to get Donald Trump back into the White House. To cut taxes on the wealthiest Americans. To eliminate regulations for polluters. And to push for an extreme agenda...............

    Give the reader what they want to hear so they can give a thumbs up. I do not believe Joe Lieberman wants to push for an extreme agenda. I saw a lengthy and recent interview of him. He said he is aware that a great number of Americans do not want Trump or Biden. He would only run a candidate if he thought his candidate could win. Of course all of you don"t think his candidate could win. I am just sharing HIS words. If Trump backers give money to No Labels then I will admit that they feel a 3rd Party Candidate would take more votes from Biden than Trump. For any newcomers to me....I would prefer that Trump was under house arrest and Biden would change his mind about running again.
     
    a third party candidate has zero chance to win.

    And I believe that the third party candidate regardless of what they say in interviews know that in their heart of hearts

    At best, they just want to 'send a message' they'd get thousands of votes but not enough to flip any state one way or the other. But enough to show that there is a decent size group of people who don’t want either main party candidate

    Worst case, they know full well and intend to be playing spoiler. The want their thousands of votes to pull away from one particular candidate in one or more particular states that it does flip the other way

    In this case it’s just to try to prevent Biden from winning

    If Liz Cheney, Larry Hogan or Adam Kinzinger throw their hat in the third party ring it would be to prevent Trump from winning
     
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