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    It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

    Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

    Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

     
    The memory, language, math, and reasoning parts of my brain cannot be fit in a thimble, neither can yours. So the shoe doesn't fit. You know it doesn't fit metaphorically either.

    You're just being petty instead of having any honest and open conversation.

    Your choices in this discussion leave you with zero credibility with anyone who isn't an already a card carrying member of Maga, so it's all good.
    Says the man who started this conversation putting words in my mouth. Your lecture on credibility rings hollow.
     
    I shared my values in a way that is comfortable to me. Do I want or condone people being treated “badly”. “Badly” means different things to different people.
    When you first started using "treated badly" to avoid answering the question, I asked if you if you were okay with very specific actions. I made it very clear that I was not asking if you thought it was happening, or if it was legal, or if it was constitutional. You still kept avoiding the very specific question I was asking.

    You're not being honest or sincere at this point.
    I don’t require or seek your trust.
    Good, because you shouldn't. I don't care if you trust me, but I'm still direct, honest and sincere when you ask me a question. That's one of the differences between you and me. I don't try to hide what I believe from anyone and I don't try to fool anyone about anything.

    It is an anonymous board after all.
    All the more reason to directly and honestly answer a question.

    I wouldn’t fully trust anything I read on this board.
    I trust what people say about themselves until they make it clear that they are not trustworthy.

    Most of it is opinion and everybody has one of those.
    I repeatedly asked your opinion on a very specific set of actions and you repeatedly ducked the question while pretending you had answered it.
     
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    Yes, he is. He isn't asking about the end results. He is asking you about the method. That has been made incredibly clear. Do you agree with the method being employed by federal agents: masks, unmarked vehicles, refusing to notify family, and not allowing the person being detained to contact family or a lawyer?
    I have no issue with masks or unmarked vehicles. I do believe LEO should identify themselves and be badged at the time of arrest or detention. As to notifying family, I don’t know that LEO has an obligation to notify anyone. That’s up to the individual being detained or arrested. If I’m law enforcement, I’m not going to worry about tracking down family members of every detainee or arrestee. As to whether said detainee can contact a lawyer or family, I would not have a problem with that but then again, I haven’t heard the other side of the argument from the government. As I said before, if the person being detained or arrested already has had “due process” under the law, they might not be entitled under our laws. When we transfer convicts from one prison to another, do we notify them ahead of time? Do we call their lawyers? I doubt it.

    I would agree that if a family member or attorney makes an inquiry, they should be given as much information as is reasonable.
     
    When you first started using "treated badly" to avoid answering the question, I asked if you if you were okay with very specific actions. I made it very clear that I was not asking if you thought it was happening, or if it was legal, or if it was constitutional. You still kept avoiding the very specific question I was asking.

    You're not being honest or sincere at this point.

    Good, because you shouldn't. I don't care if you trust me, but I'm still direct, honest and sincere when you ask me a question. That's one of the differences between you and me. I don't try to hide what I believe from anyone and I don't try to fool anyone about anything.


    All the more reason to directly and honestly answer a question.


    I trust what people say about themselves until they make it clear that they are not trustworthy.


    I repeatedly asked your opinion on a very specific set of actions and you repeatedly ducked the question while pretending you had answered it.
    There are a lot of differences between you and me. Like that means anything. I don’t aspire to be like you. I don’t trust people who start conversations lying about what I think or say. Who wants to be like that?
     
    There are a lot of differences between you and me.
    I agree.

    Like that means anything.
    It means what it means. there are a lot of differences between you and me. One of those differences is I am direct and straightforward with you, and you are not that way with me.

    I don’t aspire to be like you.
    Brother, I'll be the first to tell you no one should aspire to be me.

    I don’t trust people who start conversations lying about what I think or say.
    I didn't lie about what you said. I have said what it seems to me that you think based on what you've said and how you've acted, but I've made it very clear that those were my honest perceptions and impressions.
     
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    I never said they have to have a judicial warrant. You're telling partial truths again to give cover to truants, so let the record show @Sendai supports tyranny.

    The full truth is that ICE is required to either have an administrative warrant to make an arrest or they make an arrest without one if certain strict criteria are met. That's the full truth.

    The bigger issue is that we don't even know if ICE is making any of the abductions, because the abductors are masked and unidentifiable as being ICE agents. The people that are being abducted are disappearing. No one knows where each individual is being taken and ICE will not confirm they've abducted anyone when asked. Most people are being abducted without any video record of it. We have no idea what is happening to those people.

    The few reports we get from inside detention centers indicates that horrible human rights violations are occurring. The people being abducted are being treated brutally and horribly. It's not acceptable to be treated that way, but it's clear that you fully support people being treated that way and you are going to continue to justify that treatment.

    By the way civility, politeness and courtesy does not mean pretending that people aren't who they show us to be. It's just the manner in which you go about speaking the bare naked truth about someone. Telling Ted Bundy he's a ruthless serial killer is not uncivil. Telling a Nazi sympathizer that they support tyranny and the horrible treatment of people is not uncivil. Telling a Charles Manson supporter they support a horrible person and murdering of innocents is not uncivil.

    Telling someone who openly and repeatedly excuses and justifies the horrible and tyranncialy actions of Trump and his fellow Republicans that they support tyranny and the horrible treatment of people is not uncivil. To not speak that truth would be the actual act of incivility toward the people suffering, and all of the people that will soon suffer if we don't speak the truth about the tyranny and atrocities and if we don't stand united against the atrocities and everyone who supports it.
    Actually it’s quite easy to locate individuals detained by ICE.

     
    HOLLYWOOD, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A U.S. citizen who was arrested during an ICE raid at the Hollywood Home Depot has been released. Now, he's sharing details about his experience.

    Job Garcia was capturing an ICE raid on camera when he suddenly became a target. The 37-year-old U.S. citizen was tackled and taken into custody.

    "You want to go to jail? Fine, you got it," an agent can be heard saying on the video.

    "The pressure of like, the knee on my back, and his hand on my neck. I thought like, 'Is this it for me?'" Garcia told Eyewitness News.

    Other witnesses captured the violent takedown on video, and it quickly went viral.

    It happened on Thursday as Garcia was filming ICE agents who were detaining people outside Home Depot in Hollywood. Numerous witnesses, including Garcia, were yelling at the officers as they targeted a man in a truck, smashing his window.

    "A split second after that is when he lunged at me. I was still recording, so he pushes me, puts both hands on me, and I pushed his hand off. And then, he didn't like that, so he grabbed my left hand," Garcia recalled.

    Garcia, who is a PhD student at Claremont Graduate University, said the officers seemed surprised when he told them he was a U.S. citizen. He says he was first taken to a holding area at Dodger Stadium, where he heard agents boasting about how many people they had grabbed.

    "Like, 'How many bodies did you guys get today?' And one of them said 31, and they started like, 'Yay! It was a good day today.' And they were like, high-fiving each other," Garcia said.

    He said the officers also debated about what they could charge him with.

    "At first it was assault of a federal agent, but only later, the narrative started switching because the video was out," Garcia said.

    After 24 hours, Garcia was released. He said if his violent arrest by numerous officers gave others a window of opportunity, then it was all worth it.

    "However long period that was, if an undocumented person ran away and got away and got to get to his family, and got to get to his pregnant wife, then I'm OK with that," Garcia said.

    Garcia said he doesn't know if he will be charged with any crime. He said he was only told that someone would be in touch. What he does know is that he plans to take legal action for the violation of his civil rights.…….

     
    I agree.


    It means what it means. there are a lot of differences between you and me. One of those differences is I am direct and straightforward with you, and you are not that way with me.


    Brother, I'll be the first to tell you no one should aspire to be me.


    I didn't lie about what you said. I have said what it seems to me that you think based on what you've said and acted, but I've made it very clearly that those were my honest perceptions and impressions.
    You should stick to what you know and stop telling other people what they think. You blow at it. Further it is dishonest.
     
    You should stick to what you know and stop telling other people what they think. You blow at it. Further it is dishonest.

    He didn't tell you what you think. He told you what it seems like you think based on the way you present yourself and what you say. Those are two very different things.
     
    He didn't tell you think. He told you what it seems like you think based on the way you present yourself and what you say. Those are two very different things.
    That is a distinction without a difference. When you start a post with “Let the record show Tampa supports” something I never supported he is putting words in my mouth. That is misrepresenting my point of view. That is lying. Stop defending bad behavior. I dont make up crap like that about you or other posters. I don’t intentionally make representations that you support obviously extreme positions. Why? It is dishonest. It IS putting words in someone else’s mouth. It is a lie.

    It is exactly why I do nor do stupid “yes or no” questions. I explain my answers and qualify my answers. Otherwise folks will twist and misrepresent my words to mean what they want. Why do you defend that?
     
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    HOLLYWOOD, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A U.S. citizen who was arrested during an ICE raid at the Hollywood Home Depot has been released. Now, he's sharing details about his experience.

    Job Garcia was capturing an ICE raid on camera when he suddenly became a target. The 37-year-old U.S. citizen was tackled and taken into custody.

    "You want to go to jail? Fine, you got it," an agent can be heard saying on the video.

    "The pressure of like, the knee on my back, and his hand on my neck. I thought like, 'Is this it for me?'" Garcia told Eyewitness News.

    Other witnesses captured the violent takedown on video, and it quickly went viral.

    It happened on Thursday as Garcia was filming ICE agents who were detaining people outside Home Depot in Hollywood. Numerous witnesses, including Garcia, were yelling at the officers as they targeted a man in a truck, smashing his window.

    "A split second after that is when he lunged at me. I was still recording, so he pushes me, puts both hands on me, and I pushed his hand off. And then, he didn't like that, so he grabbed my left hand," Garcia recalled.

    Garcia, who is a PhD student at Claremont Graduate University, said the officers seemed surprised when he told them he was a U.S. citizen. He says he was first taken to a holding area at Dodger Stadium, where he heard agents boasting about how many people they had grabbed.

    "Like, 'How many bodies did you guys get today?' And one of them said 31, and they started like, 'Yay! It was a good day today.' And they were like, high-fiving each other," Garcia said.

    He said the officers also debated about what they could charge him with.

    "At first it was assault of a federal agent, but only later, the narrative started switching because the video was out," Garcia said.

    After 24 hours, Garcia was released. He said if his violent arrest by numerous officers gave others a window of opportunity, then it was all worth it.

    "However long period that was, if an undocumented person ran away and got away and got to get to his family, and got to get to his pregnant wife, then I'm OK with that," Garcia said.

    Garcia said he doesn't know if he will be charged with any crime. He said he was only told that someone would be in touch. What he does know is that he plans to take legal action for the violation of his civil rights.…….


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    McALLEN, Texas (AP) — Adults fighting kids for clean water, despondent toddlers and a child with swollen feet denied a medical exam — these first-hand accounts from immigrant families at detention centers included in a motion filed by advocates Friday night are offering a glimpse of conditions at Texas facilities.

    Families shared their testimonies with immigrant advocates filing a lawsuit to prevent the Trump administration from terminating the Flores Settlement Agreement, a ‘90s-era policy that requires immigrant children detained in federal custody be held in safe and sanitary conditions.

    The agreement could challenge President Donald Trump’s family detention provisions in his “big, beautiful” bill of tax breaks and spending cuts, which also seeks to make the detention time indefinite and comes as the administration ramps up arrests.

    “At a time when Congress is considering funding the indefinite detention of children and families, defending the Flores Settlement is more urgent than ever,” Mishan Wroe, a senior immigration attorney at the National Center for Youth Law, said in a statement Friday.

    Advocates with the center, as well as the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law, RAICES and Children’s Rights contacted or visited children and their families held in two Texas family detention centers in Dilley and Karnes, which reopened earlier this year.

    The conditions of the family detention facilities were undisclosed until immigration attorneys filed an opposing motion before a California federal court.

    The oversight of the detention facilities was possible because of the settlement, and the visits help ensure standards compliance and transparency, said Sergio Perez, the executive director of the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law.

    Without the settlement, those overseeing the facilities would lose access to them and could not document what is happening inside.…….


     
    Since "In México" is the only thing you addressed:

    The US isn't Mexico
    So México is better now? We MexiCANs and you 'MuriCAN'Ts? :hihi:

    Some people in the US can't easily get an ID that is accepted as proof of citizenship. There are several reasons why. Nothing that is said by anyone will change that fact.
    There are a million things that "some people" can't do for one reason or another, but that should not be the reason why something should not be implemented for the benefit of the majority.

    What are these several reasons people in the U.S. can't easily get an ID that is accepted as proof of citizenship?
     
    Actually it’s quite easy to locate individuals detained by ICE.

    You've shown a site exists that claims it can allegedly be used to track all of the abducted and of course it exists to give false cover. Are you familiar with garbage in garbage out? If the names of people aren't being put into the database, which a lot of the recently abducted names must not be being input, then that site can't be used to locate them.

    You're the master of using performative partial truths to tell a non-truth. You do it in drive by style. You're like the moles in whack-a-mole. I look forward to seeing what drive by non-truth you spew out next. You never defend against the challenges to your non-truths, because you can't. There is no wall for your spaghetti throwing to stick to.

    I personally know people who have had friends or family members who have been abducted and can't be found. You can find credible reports from credible news sources about it happening as well.
     
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