Will “mass deportation” actually happen (13 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[bird]

I would agree there was no mandate. What you say is true. What is also true is that despite all that, Dems lost. They were polling behind on many of the major issues.

So the question is what if anything would they change. Or does nothing come to mind?

Doing everything different than snowflake, whining, screeching Republican politicians is always a good start. There is not one thing, not one single thing, that the Republican Party has done for the good of the country or the people for the last 40+ years.

They had a chance with the border bill but were too damn afraid of Trump to put it to a vote.

The Republican Party is worthless at best and a danger to the American people, democracy and the world at worst.

 

[TampaJoe]

The polling sucked? That's where you want to go with this, as you ignore the fact that a bill that worked to address the border issue- an issue that you claim to view with such importance- was publicly killed by Trump to deny Democrats something to campaign on. The same guy who killed this bill is being supported by the very senators you voted for. You are laughably forking transparent, Joe. Either that, or you are genuinely unable to follow the logical throughline of this conversation.

I follow. Trump killed the last bill. I again ask, where do we go from here? You have no answer. You just keep making the same point over and over again.

You want folks to put your folks in charge and yet you either cannot articulate where they would go from here or you truly don’t know.

If you want to drive then you need to look ahead. You are totally focused on the rearview mirror.

 

[TampaJoe]

Doing everything different than snowflake, whining, screeching Republican politicians is always a good start. There is not one thing, not one single thing, that the Republican Party has done for the good of the country or the people for the last 40+ years.

They had a chance with the border bill but were too damn afraid of Trump to put it to a vote.

The Republican Party is worthless at best and a danger to the American people, democracy and the world at worst.

Good non answer.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

So the question is what if anything would they change. Or does nothing come to mind?

...Perhaps they should try to govern in an inclusive manner.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I follow. Trump killed the last bill. I again ask, where do we go from here? You have no answer. You just keep making the same point over and over again.

Where do we go from here? We stop voting for the GOP, Joe. One side consistently tries to work across the aisle. The other side doesn't. If you vote for that side and then get mad when Democrats stop trying, that's on you for voting for and supporting the partisan butt crevasses on the right. The answer is simple. You want things to change? You want both sides to work together? STOP VOTING FOR THE SIDE THAT REFUSES TO WORK WITH OTHERS!

You want folks to put your folks in charge and yet you either cannot articulate where they would go from here or you truly don’t know.

If you want to drive then you need to look ahead. You are totally focused on the rearview mirror.

Can't articulate it in the same way that you think Kamala never articulated her positions and then refused to acknowledge how wrong you were when a ten-second Google search proved you to be dead wrong? GTFO with this nonsense.

 

[TampaJoe]

Where do we go from here? We stop voting for the GOP, Joe. One side consistently tries to work across the aisle. The other side doesn't. If you vote for that side and then get mad when Democrats stop trying, that's on you for voting for and supporting the partisan butt crevasses on the right. The answer is simple. You want things to change? You want both sides to work together? STOP VOTING FOR THE SIDE THAT REFUSES TO WORK WITH OTHERS!



Can't articulate it in the same way that you think Kamala never articulated her positions and then refused to acknowledge how wrong you were when a ten-second Google search proved you to be dead wrong? GTFO with this nonsense.

You say stop voting for the GOP and yet you can’t or wont name anything the Dems should do or would do differently from the border policy that was soundly rejected in the last election.

Pretty inspiring. Great vision for the future. And yet you are surprised when the voters didn’t vote for that? Speaking of nonsense.

 

[MT15]

You say stop voting for the GOP and yet you can’t or wont name anything the Dems should do or would do differently from the border policy that was soundly rejected in the last election.

Pretty inspiring. Great vision for the future. And yet you are surprised when the voters didn’t vote for that? Speaking of nonsense.

Quit trolling. At least when push came to shove the Democrats worked with Lankford and compromised on a huge border bill. Which is what you claim you want. Yet you voted for the people who killed that bill, under orders from a corrupt idiot. You voted to keep the border the same mess it’s always been.

You cannot or will not deal in facts. And the facts include that you voted for people who have no intention of fixing the border, and all of us voted for the party that was willing to compromise to start to fix it.

And yet you come on here and act like you’re not the problem when you are exactly the problem. You are the reason the border is a mess and you’ve been voting to keep it a mess for years now.

You remind me of the guy who said that the marches yesterday were because “leftists always throw a fit when they lose an election.” Acting like his ilk didn’t break into the Capitol and defile it while trying to get Congress to not certify a free and fair election.

That’s exactly the same kind of cognitive dissonance that you display.

 

[MT15]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You say stop voting for the GOP and yet you can’t or wont name anything the Dems should do or would do differently from the border policy that was soundly rejected in the last election.

It wasn't defeated in the election. It was defeated when Trump told the Senate Republicans not to vote for it, and they all fell in line. Will you vote for any senator who refused to vote for this bill?

Pretty inspiring. Great vision for the future. And yet you are surprised when the voters didn’t vote for that? Speaking of nonsense.

Your inability to pay attention to the message, much like that of millions of other unobservant and uninformed voters, is not my fault. It's yours. Whether you try to fix the problem is on you.

 

[J-DONK]

I would agree there was no mandate. What you say is true. What is also true is that despite all that, Dems lost. They were polling behind on many of the major issues.

So the question is what if anything would they change. Or does nothing come to mind?

A better way to frame this question would be Trump's approval is tanking right now, but Democrats is not going up. Why, and what needs to be done to fix?

Democrats def need better leadership, and accountability:

1. Biden, and his whole outfit lied about his health.
2. Schumer is so passive he comes across as a jewish effeminate banker.
3. Age for some reason is a taboo topic. We've lost 3 seats to these dinosaurs dying in the House in just 6 months. Most boards have age limits of 75 for a reason.
4. I would rather the heavy hand of Barack Obama not pick the next candidate. He can't be bothered to stand up now. He should sit his arse down in 4 years as well.

 

[brandon]

You say stop voting for the GOP and yet you can’t or wont name anything the Dems should do or would do differently from the border policy that was soundly rejected in the last election.

Pretty inspiring. Great vision for the future. And yet you are surprised when the voters didn’t vote for that? Speaking of nonsense.

Why don’t you expect the GOP to offer up quality alternative legislation that the democrats could potentially support, and hold them accountable in the same way if they don’t? Oh, and would you blame the republicans if they had a quality bipartisan proposal that the democrats tanked for no reason other than to prevent the GOP from getting a win?

You expect the democrats to come in and fix things, and if they don’t, you’re voting GOP.

Can we safely assume that if the GOP’s policies don’t fix things, that you’ll be voting democrat?

Of course not. It’s a blatant double standard, so because the Dems can’t meet your standards of perfection, we have to deal with authoritarianism instead.

 

[MT15]

Why don’t you expect the GOP to offer up quality alternative legislation that the democrats could potentially support, and hold them accountable in the same way if they don’t? Oh, and would you blame the republicans if they had a quality bipartisan proposal that the democrats tanked for no reason other than to prevent the GOP from getting a win?

You expect the democrats to come in and fix things, and if they don’t, you’re voting GOP.

Can we safely assume that if the GOP’s policies don’t fix things, that you’ll be voting democrat?

Of course not. It’s a blatant double standard, so because the Dems can’t meet your standards of perfection, we have to deal with authoritarianism instead.

It’s extremely clear that he doesn’t care at all about fixing the border mess, all he cares about is blaming democrats for it. He’s the perfect foil for GOP talking points. Unable or unwilling to carry a logical thought through to anything that contradicts the party line.

Oh, and as a bonus he gets to claim he doesn’t like Trump, even though he voted for all Trump’s stooges in the GOP who remain silent in the face of Trump’s exhaustive corruption, and trampling of due process and our system of laws, including the Constitution.

And he then has the nerve to come on here and complain about the Democratic Party, which is far from perfect but it is providing the ONLY pushback for Trump.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

This isn’t jaywalking. Jaywalkers aren’t really a problem. They don’t strain our infrastructure. That is a lame arse analogy.

I’m all for working towards a resolution. I’m all for finding a way for most of these folks to remain in the country and work legally. I’m also all for doing away with sanctuary city and sanctuary states. State and local governments should not be working at odds against the Feds.

So if we need legislation then let’s be about legislation.

The point is, just saying something is a crime is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to justify spending billions of dollars, suspending rights -- or really getting people all worked up over it.

What people who are obsessed over this issue have failed to do, is the hard work of actually showing the costs and harm caused by it. Instead we get empty rhetoric over honoring the law - which we don't believe you care about, and anecdotes. We've never had an open border policy, so using that as inflammatory rhetoric has the effect of making anyone interested in a discussion dismissive of people using that rhetoric. It comes across as deeply unserious, and feels like trying to run the country like an AM radio host.

I think every single person on this thread and at least 90% of Democrats (probably higher), believe in having an orderly immigration process and recognize the need to understand who is coming into our country. Everyone understands that it is not good policy to allow human trafficking, drugs, or even a lot of people to come over the border.

However, when the leader of a political party who is generally considered to be lawless, and pardons people who beat up cops, and then calls people in our community who know and are generally considered to be a benefit (I'm talking about the guys doing our roofing, or working the kitchens, or gardens, or whatever), rapists and bad hombres (oh and some of them are fine). Yeah, no thanks. That invites pushback... because now we don't believe you care about the law. We don't believe you care about creating an orderly immigration process. We believe that the real driving force is demonization of an out group in order to consolidate power. That will always invite resistance.

So you want a better immigration process... clean house first, and then come back and talk.

 

[TampaJoe]

Why don’t you expect the GOP to offer up quality alternative legislation that the democrats could potentially support, and hold them accountable in the same way if they don’t? Oh, and would you blame the republicans if they had a quality bipartisan proposal that the democrats tanked for no reason other than to prevent the GOP from getting a win?

You expect the democrats to come in and fix things, and if they don’t, you’re voting GOP.

Can we safely assume that if the GOP’s policies don’t fix things, that you’ll be voting democrat?

Of course not. It’s a blatant double standard, so because the Dems can’t meet your standards of perfection, we have to deal with authoritarianism instead.

If I were conversing with a bunch of Republicans, I would suggest the same thing to them.

Immigration and border security is an issue and it needs legislation. Otherwise the next POTUS can come in and via executive order undo everything.

And it needs to be bipartisan.

You can safely assume I will vote as a conservative. I assume you will vote according to your political ideology. We don’t vote on individual issues. We vote on representation. You pick what works best for you. I don’t assume you necessarily agree 100 percent with every policy position the person you vote for may hold. I differ on a few with the folks I vote for.

But as I understand it, we discuss policy here. So we may find there are policies we can agree on.

 

[where yat brah]

I'll vote according to my political ideology UNLESS the candidate I have in mind is a danger to our great country.
In that instance, I'll vote for who I feel is the best candidate to lead the US. I'm not voting for dolt just because he thinks DEI is great or his plan for a plan is in his head and not distributed to the public in the party platform.

 

[TampaJoe]

The point is, just saying something is a crime is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to justify spending billions of dollars, suspending rights -- or really getting people all worked up over it.

What people who are obsessed over this issue have failed to do, is the hard work of actually showing the costs and harm caused by it. Instead we get empty rhetoric over honoring the law - which we don't believe you care about, and anecdotes. We've never had an open border policy, so using that as inflammatory rhetoric has the effect of making anyone interested in a discussion dismissive of people using that rhetoric. It comes across as deeply unserious, and feels like trying to run the country like an AM radio host.

I think every single person on this thread and at least 90% of Democrats (probably higher), believe in having an orderly immigration process and recognize the need to understand who is coming into our country. Everyone understands that it is not good policy to allow human trafficking, drugs, or even a lot of people to come over the border.

However, when the leader of a political party who is generally considered to be lawless, and pardons people who beat up cops, and then calls people in our community who know and are generally considered to be a benefit (I'm talking about the guys doing our roofing, or working the kitchens, or gardens, or whatever), rapists and bad hombres (oh and some of them are fine). Yeah, no thanks. That invites pushback... because now we don't believe you care about the law. We don't believe you care about creating an orderly immigration process. We believe that the real driving force is demonization of an out group in order to consolidate power. That will always invite resistance.

So you want a better immigration process... clean house first, and then come back and talk.

If you and 90 percent of your party seriously believed all those things you noted in your third paragraph, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I want a better immigration system. The Biden/Mayorkas policy wasn’t it. The voters obviously rejected that. It doesn’t sound like anything would change under a different Dem administration.

So if you want change, maybe come up with some ideas you and your party are willing to support. Then come back and talk. Otherwise, it looks like you have nothing to offer the voters other than empty rhetoric.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Why don’t you expect the GOP to offer up quality alternative legislation that the democrats could potentially support, and hold them accountable in the same way if they don’t? Oh, and would you blame the republicans if they had a quality bipartisan proposal that the democrats tanked for no reason other than to prevent the GOP from getting a win?

You expect the democrats to come in and fix things, and if they don’t, you’re voting GOP.

Can we safely assume that if the GOP’s policies don’t fix things, that you’ll be voting democrat?

Of course not. It’s a blatant double standard, so because the Dems can’t meet your standards of perfection, we have to deal with authoritarianism instead.

100% this

 

[TampaJoe]

A better way to frame this question would be Trump's approval is tanking right now, but Democrats is not going up. Why, and what needs to be done to fix?

Democrats def need better leadership, and accountability:

1. Biden, and his whole outfit lied about his health.
2. Schumer is so passive he comes across as a jewish effeminate banker.
3. Age for some reason is a taboo topic. We've lost 3 seats to these dinosaurs dying in the House in just 6 months. Most boards have age limits of 75 for a reason.
4. I would rather the heavy hand of Barack Obama not pick the next candidate. He can't be bothered to stand up now. He should sit his arse down in 4 years as well.

I may not agree with you on everything but you at least have some idea about what you would change.