Will “mass deportation” actually happen (5 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Sendai]

Doesn't this data point refute the narrative of a non-secure border?

“Unfortunately, the policies with which he replaced Trump’s measures failed to manage the southern border effectively. Encounters with migrants at the southwestern border rose to 1.7 million in FY 2021, 2.4 million in FY 2022, and 2.5 million in FY 2023. (In addition, an estimated 600,000 entered the U.S. undetected, without encountering border agents, in FY 2023.) During the first quarter of FY 2024 (October 1, 2023-December 31, 2023) encounters totaled 785,000, putting the United States on pace for 3.1 million encounters during the current fiscal year.”

 

[faceman]

MSN

 

[Incumbent]

You have been fed so much propaganda through Fox News. You think you're exhibiting common sense and consistency but all you keep spewing out on the subject of immigration is right wing rhetoric. Biden actually worked to find real solution to the immigration problem throughout his presidency. Nothing Trump has done will solve the immigration issues long term. He isn't going to kick out all illegals, he isn't going to stop the flow of immigrants into the country long term, he isn't going to bring order to anything. It's all fools gold because his solutions aren't policy focused. His solutions are authoritarian driven and draconian and they will eventually pass with him, if we're able to sustain our government/country. And saying that the majority of folks prefer law and order (as in they like what they're seeing from Trump) when Trump pardoned all of the insurrectionist criminals from January 6th, is carrying out an illegal and unconstitutional deployment of the military on US soil, is illegally deporting people left and right into foreign gulags, is using gestapo tactics to arrest people with agents covered and unidentifiable, and all the other illegal things he's doing, that are too much to list, is the height of cognitive dissonance. But I'm not surprised you can't see that.

You're right, the root causes aren't being addressed, which isn't an oversight.

Immigration fear-mongering provides cover and opportunities to stoke division and violence, resulting in an escalation of the use of force on society. Conservative media has spent years vilifying "others" and highlighting negative stories about immigrants, while largely ignoring the many positives that immigrants contribute to society.

Right now, immigrants are the target. The campaign "to save America" will expand to include protesters. Then, more broadly, the opposition. Each step of the way, Trump's supporters will be fed enough propaganda to *understand* why the escalation of force is necessary.

Immigration policy is a distraction to fill the airwaves and manipulate people.

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Today’s authoritarian playbook is a process that happens piecemeal and is hard to distinguish from normal political jockeying.

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Stoking violence​

Finally, while healthy democratic actors always eschew civil violence, autocrats either deliberately look the other way or even intentionally inflame politically useful violence. Such outbreaks can offer political cover for restrictions on civil liberties or the expansion of coercive security measures. They can also suppress voter turnout among opposition and inspire supporters to turn out in competitive areas.

Stoking violence advances authoritarian efforts in other areas of the playbook such as quashing dissent, but it also undermines the norms and trust among political elites, as well as the broader population, that underpin democratic stability. As feelings of insecurity rise, social divisions become more salient and politicized, and political leaders’ incentives shift further toward hardball politics over negotiation and compromise.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

“Unfortunately, the policies with which he replaced Trump’s measures failed to manage the southern border effectively. Encounters with migrants at the southwestern border rose to 1.7 million in FY 2021, 2.4 million in FY 2022, and 2.5 million in FY 2023. (In addition, an estimated 600,000 entered the U.S. undetected, without encountering border agents, in FY 2023.) During the first quarter of FY 2024 (October 1, 2023-December 31, 2023) encounters totaled 785,000, putting the United States on pace for 3.1 million encounters during the current fiscal year.”

But don't encounters just mean more people are coming, not that they aren't being stopped/deported? I sometime wonder if all the right wing talk of "open borders" actually encourages more people to come b/c they believe it's actually open. Although the real reason is that the US recovered from the COVID lockdowns much, much faster than everywhere else, making it the best place to get work.

 

[zztop]

I wonder if things will reach a point of something like the Boston Massacre

 

[SFIDC3]

How about “assign blame accordingly and don’t vote for the ones that are consistently derailing legitimate bipartisan efforts”?

Oh, c'mon now, he can't do that because that would be shifting blame away from those Dems, and he will have no one left to blame because.....FOX NEWS!!!!!!

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

He's an idiot, he testified today stating it is his duty to preserve law & order. That's not his job!

This time, he gets called out by the Senate:

 

[Sendai]

But don't encounters just mean more people are coming, not that they aren't being stopped/deported? I sometime wonder if all the right wing talk of "open borders" actually encourages more people to come b/c they believe it's actually open. Although the real reason is that the US recovered from the COVID lockdowns much, much faster than everywhere else, making it the best place to get work.

Those numbers are illegal entries under the prior administration. Those millions are still here. Current numbers are down by 90+%.

 

[efil4]

Those numbers are illegal entries under the prior administration. Those millions are still here. Current numbers are down by 90+%.

and eggs are down by 400%

im sure the figures from this administration are legit.

right?

 

[SamAndreas]

I wonder if things will reach a point of something like the Boston Massacre

I think it already has reached that point. The Boston Massacre was a massacre of a mere five people, it wasn't the massacre, it was the reactions of the people which followed it that is the big deal about that incident. The incident happened 6 years before the revolution, and it was clearly a leading proximate cause which led to the revolution in 1776.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I think it already has reached that point. The Boston Massacre was a massacre of a mere five people, it wasn't the massacre, it was the reactions of the people which followed it that is the big deal about that incident. The incident happened 6 years before the revolution, and it was clearly a leading proximate cause which led to the revolution in 1776.

Further, what's interesting about the Boston Massacre was it was preceded by riots on the part of the colonists for several days before hand. And the riot by colonists on the day of the massacre was a bunch of protestors throwing stuff at a British soldier who was knocked to the ground by the crowd, and then he called for help. More British soldiers arrived, and the crowd pelted them with ice and detritus. Only then did a panicky soldier open fire.

So the question arises, which side would Trump supporters have been on?

 

[SamAndreas]

Further, what's interesting about the Boston Massacre was it was preceded by riots on the part of the colonists for several days before hand. And the riot by colonists on the day of the massacre was a bunch of protestors throwing stuff at a British soldier who was knocked to the ground by the crowd, and then he called for help. More British soldiers arrived, and the crowd pelted them with ice and detritus. Only then did a panicky soldier open fire.

So the question arises, which side would Trump supporters have been on?

I think MAGA would have aligned with the crown. would have been the loyalists during the revolution. They would clearly like to have a rich powerful King.

After all it's apparent they are trying to crown Trump. I think that figures into why they feel they can ignore his criminal record.

The way to put it I suppose is that since our founders were also criminals insofar as the loyalists were concerned. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

So they ignored Trumps criminal record, and they are trying to recreate a monarchy. I've seen some of them who are excited about Don Jr replacing the criminal, and why not Don Jr is a criminal type as well. When "The king is dead, long live the king."

 

[J-DONK]

Those numbers are illegal entries under the prior administration. Those millions are still here. Current numbers are down by 90+%.

Wait you think all of these people were allowed into the country?

 

[efil4]

Wait you think all of these people were allowed into the country?

im sure he does

all 21,201,1021,5718 bazillion. And that number, under current administration deportations, is down 10012123%

 

[J-DONK]

im sure he does

all 21,201,1021,5718 bazillion. And that number, under current administration deportations, is down 10012123%

Na, he will backtrack to say he was referencing all illegal immgrants, and not the just ones under Biden, despite that being the topic of conversation.

 

[Optimus Prime]

ICE is using an app to identify people who can easily be deported – then arrest them

Information about more than 700,000 individuals is on the app and available in a ‘baseball-card-style format’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

A uniformed U.S. Army veteran has provoked anger among MAGA conservatives by joining a protest against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Dallas, Texas, on Monday.

In a viral video recorded at the event, the soldier does not hold back in her criticism of President Donald Trump for activating 4,000 members of the National Guard and 700 Marines to help police the anti-ICE demonstrations that have raged in Los Angelesfor five days and have since spread to other major American cities.

“We are not pawns for Donald Trump’s agenda,” the woman, wearing a camouflage uniform bearing the name tag “Colado,” says in the video shared by left-leaning X account BreakThrough News…….

Army veteran angers MAGA by joining anti-ICE protest in Dallas

‘We have a duty, a moral obligation to say no and resist,’ uniformed ex-soldier says at Texas demonstration, rebuking President Donald Trump for involving the military in domestic law enforcement

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

Los Angeles may resemble a war zone, with thousands of National Guard troops and hundreds of Marines deployed in response to widespread anti-immigration raid protests, but the Trump White House reportedly couldn’t be happier about the politics of the situation.

“We couldn’t have scripted this better,” a senior White House aide told The Atlantic of the dynamic inside the Oval Office. “It’s like the 2024 election never ended: Trump is strong while Democrats are weak and defending the indefensible.”

Trump insiders reportedly believe that the images of the protests, which have featured both large-scale peaceful demonstrations and multiple days of violence against police and immigration officers, as well as protesters burning vehicles and holding Mexican flags, play into the administration’s message. On the campaign trail, Trump frequently claimed Democrats are weak on law and order, while alleging most immigrants are violent national security threats, despite data showing the opposite.


“This is what America voted for, period,” a Trump adviser told NBC News. “This is the America First focus that got the president elected and is driven by nothing else than what he promised American voters.”………

Why the White House is thrilled with how LA crisis is playing out

Trump officials reportedly believe it has shown how Democrats are out of touch with country on law enforcement and immigration issues

www.independent.co.uk