Will “mass deportation” actually happen (7 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

You haven’t a clue

Maybe not. All I have to go by is how you represent yourself on here. I’m comfortable with my conclusions at this point however. I do readily reevaluate people when given reason to do so.

 

[samiam5211]

I am skeptical of the New York State prosecutions. As to the federal charges i was skeptical of the legality of the special counsels appointment. I believe I espoused that any of the sitting District Attorneys would have been appropriate appointees to bring the cases forward.

“people like you”
You haven’t a clue

Closeted Trumpers are the most pathetic ones of all.

 

[samiam5211]

MSN

At a court hearing in Washington about the recent targeting of many international students across the country, the department said it used 10 to 20 employees to run the names of 1.3 million foreign-born students through the National Crime Information Center, an FBI-run computerized index that includes criminal history information.

Names??? WTF Names? even names and DOB for something like this is forking stupid.

They have the fingerprints of every F-1 student. They have the fingerprints of everyone arrested.

You have no idea how many people named Mohammed Mohammed born on January 1, or some year there are in this country.

Same for Jose Martinez, or any common Hispanic name.

They will say we removed millions of criminal students, when likely the people who committed the crime wasn't even here on a F-1 Visa, they just happened to have the same name.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Even El Salvador’s president ‘questioned Trump team if migrants were gang members’

El Salvador’s Nayib Bukele privately ‘expressed concern’ about who the Trump administration sent to El Salvador’s Terrorism Confinement Center, according to the report

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

SAN DIEGO (KGTV) — A San Diego immigration attorney says he received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security asking him to self-deport.

Adam Peña is an attorney for a nonprofit organization in San Diego. He says he got the letter to his email inbox in mid-April.

"When I opened up the email, I was stunned and I was confused," says Peña.

Peña showed ABC 10News reporter Laura Acevedo the letter. It states that his parole would end 7 days from the date on the letter. It states that 'it is time for you to leave the United States.'

The problem is that Peña is a U.S. citizen and was born in El Paso.

"I'm still here. I have not self-deported. I don't have a place to self-deport to," says Peña.

He says his family has been in the country for over a century. He also showed ABC 10News his U.S. passport and his birth certificate.

Peña thinks he got the letter because of the clients he represents and he feels that it was an intimidation tactic by the Trump administration.

"I feel that I received this letter because the government is basically trying to exert its authority," says the attorney.…….

San Diego attorney, U.S. citizen, receives deportation letter

A San Diego immigration attorney says he received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security asking him to self-deport.

www.10news.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Haitian woman complaining of chest pain and told to ‘lie down’ dies at ICE facility

Marie Ange Blaise, 44, died while in custody at the Broward Transitional Center in Pompano Beach, Florida, on April 25

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

SAN DIEGO (KGTV) — A San Diego immigration attorney says he received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security asking him to self-deport.

Adam Peña is an attorney for a nonprofit organization in San Diego. He says he got the letter to his email inbox in mid-April.

"When I opened up the email, I was stunned and I was confused," says Peña.

Peña showed ABC 10News reporter Laura Acevedo the letter. It states that his parole would end 7 days from the date on the letter. It states that 'it is time for you to leave the United States.'

The problem is that Peña is a U.S. citizen and was born in El Paso.

"I'm still here. I have not self-deported. I don't have a place to self-deport to," says Peña.

He says his family has been in the country for over a century. He also showed ABC 10News his U.S. passport and his birth certificate.

Peña thinks he got the letter because of the clients he represents and he feels that it was an intimidation tactic by the Trump administration.

"I feel that I received this letter because the government is basically trying to exert its authority," says the attorney.…….

San Diego attorney, U.S. citizen, receives deportation letter

A San Diego immigration attorney says he received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security asking him to self-deport.

www.10news.com

This has been going on for at least a week now. You would think the geniuses at DOGE would have realized by now that their list of email addresses of undocumented immigrants is compromised because a lot of immigrants don’t use email because they don’t own computers. So they use their lawyers email addresses on forms that are filed.

(I say DOGE because I read an article back when this first started happening that a Musk minion was sent to DHS to “automate” these emails. They’re all just forking geniuses.)

 

[Optimus Prime]

When 19-year-old Javier Salazar was loaded on to a bus from an immigrant detention center in northern Texas, he had no idea where he was being taken.

He wondered if he was being transferred to another facility or maybe deported back to his native Venezuela. He and the other passengers, their hands and feet shackled, settled into a tense silence. Then a terrifying possibility crept into Salazar’s mind.

“My fear was being sent to El Salvador,” he said, tothe brutal prison where the Trump administration has dispatched more than 200 Venezuelans into a legal black hole. They are accused of being violent gang members, but reportedly on flimsy evidencefor most, deported without even a court hearing.


Salazar became stressed “because we’d been listening to the news and the other people at the facility”, he said in a telephone interview from detention.

His and other buses in the convoy from the remote Bluebonnet facility pulled over on the side of the road for an unexplained 15 minutes then drove on to Abilene regional airport, about 200 miles west of Dallas. Salazar recognized it as where he landed a few days earlier from detention in Farmville, Virginia, where he had been for about a month after Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) arrested him and his father in neighboring Maryland.

But once they arrived at the airport in Abilene, the buses abruptly turned around. On the way back to Bluebonnet, a guard told them to be thankful to God, Salazar said. Later he found out the likely reason why. An emergency order in the early hours from the supreme court had temporarily blocked their removal from the US, in the latest clash between Donald Trump and the courts.………

‘He’s just a kid’: the Maryland teenager swept into Trump immigration dragnet

A last-minute supreme court intervention prevented Javier Salazar from getting deported, but the battle is far from over

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

So buckle up, the House GOP Judiciary Committee just voted to allow Trump to deport US citizens.

 

[Dragon]

Since US President Donald Trump took power in January, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has become a far more visible and fearsome force on American streets.

Though ICE is ostensibly still bound by constitutional limits, the way it has been operating bears the hallmarks of a secret police force in the making.

As an expert on authoritarian regimes, I’ve studied historical and contemporary secret police forces extensively across Africa, Asia and Europe. They typically meet five criteria:

• they’re a police force targeting political opponents and dissidents
• they’re not controlled by other security agencies and answer directly to the dictator
• the identity of their members and their operations are secret
• they specialise in political intelligence and surveillance operations
• they carry out arbitrary searches, arrests, interrogations, indefinite detentions, disappearances and torture.

How close is ICE to becoming a secret police force? Let’s consider each of these criteria....

https://theconversation.com/how-ice...e-force-under-the-trump-administration-255019


Scary article. Especially the last paragraph

While the agency is far from resembling history’s most feared secret police forces, there have so far been few constraints on how it operates.

The worst may be yet to come. A budget bill making its way through Congress would provide ICE with up to US$175 billion (A$274 billion) in funding over the next decade. (Its current annual budget is US$9 billion, or A$14 billion.) This would supercharge its use of surveillance, imprisonment and physical violence.

When combined with a potential shift towards targeting US citizens for dissent and disobedience, ICE is fast becoming a key piece in the repressive apparatus of American authoritarianism.

 

[MT15]

https://theconversation.com/how-ice...e-force-under-the-trump-administration-255019


Scary article. Especially the last paragraph

And I think they intend to use it on US citizens. We already know they are fine sending people to concentration camps for merely the belief they are in a gang, with 90% of the people they sent having no criminal convictions and no criminal charges.

They’re going to use it to send dissidents or anyone they call a “radical left lunatic” to a concentration camp. They will just designate them as domestic terrorists. What will it take for people to wake up?

They don’t need that much money for undocumented people. They’re running out of people they can send that way and Trump wants El Salvador to build 5 more camps.

 

[superchuck500]

The ruling came in response to an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit filed after the El Centro Border Patrol traveled to Kern County to conduct a three-day sweep in January, detaining day laborers, farm workers and others in a Home Depot parking lot, outside a convenience store and along a highway between orchards.

The ruling prohibits Border Patrol agents from taking similar actions, restricting them from stopping people unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the person is in violation of U.S. immigration law. It also bars agents from carrying out warrantless arrests unless they have probable cause that the person is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained.

“You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say, ‘Give me your papers,’” U.S. District Court Judge Jennifer L. Thurston said during a Monday hearing in Fresno that featured moments of heated exchange between government attorneys and the judge................

Judge restricts Border Patrol in California: 'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin'

'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say give me your papers,' a judge said in ordering the Border Patrol to halt warrantless sweeps in California.

calmatters.org

I’ll see your Columbus county sheriff and raise you our Portage county sheriff.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/12/portage-county-sheriff-bruce-zuchowski-partners-ice-immigration-trump-ohio/83047643007/

Well, this certainly wasn't difficult to anticipate. One of the problems, historically, in effectively deputizing local law enforcement to carry out federal law is that they're often just not very good at doing it lawfully. When a federal administration actually cares about that, it brings substantial caution. This one doesn't give a fork about the law.

We talked about the caselaw earlier in this thread - you can probably search the thread and find it. But basically it is highly contextual/circumstantial but it can’t be “he looks possibly Mexican”. The officer has to have a genuine reason to suspect the individual might be illegal. What that is can vary but appearance or even an accent (or lack of English) alone isn’t enough.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Trump administration’s deportation of a gay asylum seeker to a brutal Salvadoran prison has outraged LGBT+ communities rallying for his return.

Makeup artist Andry Jose Hernandez Romero, 31, fled Venezuela for California in 2024, fearing persecution under Nicolas Maduro’s regime and has no criminal history or gang ties, according to his family and attorneys.

He lawfully entered California with an appointment through the CBP One app but was swiftly transferred to the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which labeled him a security risk because of his tattoos. He was among dozens of Venezuelan immigrants accused of being Tren de Aragua members and deported to El Salvador’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center on March 15.


A coalition of California-based LGBT+ advocacy groups is pressing Donald Trump’s administration for his safe return. Officials and activists joined protests in Los Angeles on Wednesday, demanding urgent government action.…….

LGBT+ community outraged after gay makeup artist deported to El Salvador prison

Activists say Trump’s removal of Andry Jose Hernandez Romero to brutal jail is ‘a death sentence’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

Venezuelan migrants held at a detention center in Texas spelled out the distress signal “SOS” with their bodies while awaiting deportation by Donald Trump’s administration.

Thirty-one detainees being held at the Bluebonnet Detention Facility in Anson and dressed in red and orange jumpsuits came together on Monday to spell out the letters, as a Reuters drone flew overhead. The stunt was to protest against their incarceration by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials and appeal for help.

The secure facility, lying 200 miles west of Dallas, has been used to house suspected illegal immigrants from Central America, many of whom the administration has accused of belonging to the notorious Tren de Aragua criminal gang, although in most cases they and their families have denied having any association with the group.…

Inmates awaiting deportation spell out ‘SOS’ message that can be seen from skies

Detainees stand together in formation to spell out distress signal in protest at their incarceration and potential transportation to El Salvador

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

So buckle up, the House GOP Judiciary Committee just voted to allow Trump to deport US citizens.

I have read some context on this vote today - Swalwell was not stating it correctly. The committee is working on the budget and Democrats had proposed several amendments, which were opposed. So the Democrats said we will withdraw all our other amendments if you agree to this one: it bars ICE from being used to deport American citizens. That should be a win-win, it seems to me. ICE cannot legally deport American citizens right? So just affirming that should be easy for both parties. They could reassure people worried about Trump saying he intends to send American citizens to El Salvador.

Well, the GOP members of the committee voted unanimously to oppose that amendment as well as all the others. So are they just that afraid of Trump? It makes me feel like they think Trump will definitely try to send citizens to the concentration camp in El Salvador and they don’t want to be on record opposing that effort.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The 18th-century Alien Enemies Act does not authorize Donald Trump to deport Venezuelan immigrants alleged to be members of the Tren de Aragua gang, a federal judge in Texas ruled on Thursday.

The ruling from US district judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr is significant because it is the first sweeping and permanent injunction directly addressing whether the government can use the 1798 Alien Enemies Act (AEA) to deport alleged members of Tren de Aragua. Other judges have issued similar but more limited and preliminary rulings.

The decision applies only to migrants detained in Rodriguez’s judicial district, the southern district of Texas, which includes Brownsville, McAllen and Houston. Trump appointed Rodriguez to the federal bench in 2018.…….

Judge rules Alien Enemies Act does not allow White House to deport alleged gang members

Ruling only applies in southern Texas district, yet is the most powerful rebuke to Trump’s use of 18th-century law

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

The 18th-century Alien Enemies Act does not authorize Donald Trump to deport Venezuelan immigrants alleged to be members of the Tren de Aragua gang, a federal judge in Texas ruled on Thursday.

The ruling from US district judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr is significant because it is the first sweeping and permanent injunction directly addressing whether the government can use the 1798 Alien Enemies Act (AEA) to deport alleged members of Tren de Aragua. Other judges have issued similar but more limited and preliminary rulings.

The decision applies only to migrants detained in Rodriguez’s judicial district, the southern district of Texas, which includes Brownsville, McAllen and Houston. Trump appointed Rodriguez to the federal bench in 2018.…….

Judge rules Alien Enemies Act does not allow White House to deport alleged gang members

Ruling only applies in southern Texas district, yet is the most powerful rebuke to Trump’s use of 18th-century law

www.theguardian.com

A judge doesn’t have the authority to tell President Donald Trump that he cannot deport immigrants under the Alien Enemies Act, Vice President JD Vance declared during a Fox News interview Thursday.

It’s the president’s decision, he told Bret Baieron Special Report, laying the groundwork for a constitutional confrontation over American authority.

His declaration followed the ruling earlier Thursday by Trump-appointed Texas District Judge Fernando Rodriguez that it was “unlawful” for the administration to use the18th Century war-time law to detain and deport alleged Tren de Aragua members.

“The judge doesn’t decide if the Alien Enemies Act applies – the president does,” Vance told Baier fresh off a tour of the Nucor Steel plant in Huger, South Carolina.

“If you tell the president he can’t deport illegal criminals, you’re saying he can’t be president. We reject that, and so will the Supreme Court.”……

Vance proclaims judge can’t block Trump from deporting immigrants using war act

That’s up to Trump, the vice president declared in an interview with Brett Baier

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Dragon]

A judge doesn’t have the authority to tell President Donald Trump that he cannot deport immigrants under the Alien Enemies Act, Vice President JD Vance declared during a Fox News interview Thursday.

It’s the president’s decision, he told Bret Baieron Special Report, laying the groundwork for a constitutional confrontation over American authority.

His declaration followed the ruling earlier Thursday by Trump-appointed Texas District Judge Fernando Rodriguez that it was “unlawful” for the administration to use the18th Century war-time law to detain and deport alleged Tren de Aragua members.

“The judge doesn’t decide if the Alien Enemies Act applies – the president does,” Vance told Baier fresh off a tour of the Nucor Steel plant in Huger, South Carolina.

“If you tell the president he can’t deport illegal criminals, you’re saying he can’t be president. We reject that, and so will the Supreme Court.”……

Vance proclaims judge can’t block Trump from deporting immigrants using war act

That’s up to Trump, the vice president declared in an interview with Brett Baier

www.independent.co.uk

So the vice president don't understand the basic part about the separation of powers...