Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[RobF]

The children were sent with their mother at the mothers request.

Which children? They've deported multiple children. And what's your source for that?

E.g. if you're referring to this case - https://www.npr.org/2025/04/26/nx-s1-5378077/honduras-deported-girl-citizen - are you just repeating the claims of the Department of Homeland Security and ignoring everything else?

If so, maybe try putting contended information in its proper context, and by doing so, stop being an apologist for an increasingly authoritarian fascist administration? That'd be great, thanks.

 

[samiam5211]

What about the roughly 8 million who have scheduled asylum hearings?

They will have to be allowed to stay until their asylum claim has had due process.

Trump can't do shirt legally about someone with a pending asylum claim.

Congress has needed to fix immigration for 40 years.

There is absolutely nothing the president can do legally that "fixes" our situation.

We should have done a better job of being a good neighbor. Every single bit of this is the fault of the United States, and every single one of us OWES people from central america safe harbor, so you can just shut the fork up.

These forking gangs that are now transnational terrorist organizations were formed here and exported to central America,

 

[samiam5211]

Well currently it looks like ICE arrest them when they show up for their regular check ins, regardless of a hearing being scheduled at a future day or not. All they need to claim is gang membership and off they go. And in EVERY case where people are lucky enough to get their case in fron of a judge, ICE has failed to provide even a fragment of proofs of their claims...

Nope.

There are many reasons people check in, most of which have nothing to do with a pending asylum claim, and yes, many people in those status (withholding of removal, ect) are removable if policy changes.

 

[MT15]

The children were sent with their mother at the mothers request.

So they say, but if you believe they are telling the truth about that in all cases then you’re incredibly naive. Do you think that 4 yo citizen with stage 4 cancer should have been removed without the family being allowed to contact the doctors or retrieve their medicine? Do you feel safer now that they’re deported?

 

[TampaJoe]

The county judge didn't do those things, though, right? My understanding is that the judge allowed the individual to leave through an alternate route. That is not illegal, I would think.

It sounds as if the judge aided the individual to evade arrest. That is obstruction. She might not agree with ICE but she should not obstruct.

She will have her day in front of a judge to explain. Her due process.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It sounds as if the judge aided the individual to evade arrest. That is obstruction. She might not agree with ICE but she should not obstruct.

She will have her day in front of a judge to explain. Her due process.

The warrant in question has been identified by some as an administrative warrant, which Judge Dugan was not required to comply with. Arresting judges who don't kowtow and punishing law firms that were involved in actions against Trump are dangerous precedents to set.

 

[TampaJoe]

The warrant in question has been identified by some as an administrative warrant, which Judge Dugan was not required to comply with. Arresting judges who don't kowtow and punishing law firms that were involved in actions against Trump are dangerous precedents to set.

I don’t believe the judge is question was asked to comply with anything. Correct me if I am wrong. She didn’t have to cooperate. She wasn’t asked to cooperate.

That said, she may have crossed a line legally when she actively aided an individual evade arrest by federal officers. That she cannot do. That would exceed her legal authority.

 

[coldseat]

I don’t believe the judge is question was asked to comply with anything. Correct me if I am wrong. She didn’t have to cooperate. She wasn’t asked to cooperate.

That said, she may have crossed a line legally when she actively aided an individual evade arrest by federal officers. That she cannot do. That would exceed her legal authority.

This case will be dismissed. No federal judge is going to entertain this case against a sitting state court judge that occurred while her court was in session. The state judge has control of their courtroom, she was under no obligation to hide what was happening with ICE from the defendant and his lawyer. She also has the authority to allow the defendant leave from whatever door she chose in her courtroom. ICE has no jurisdiction/ability to control that. She didn't harbor the defendant, he left once the case ended.

Also, ICE shouldn't be making sting operation arrest in courthouses. That's executive overreach on steroids.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are sanctions against the DOJ and FBI in the long term.

 

[TampaJoe]

This case will be dismissed. No federal judge is going to entertain this case against a sitting state court judge that occurred while her court was in session. The state judge has control of their courtroom, she was under no obligation to hide what was happening with ICE from the defendant and his lawyer. She also has the authority to allow the defendant leave from whatever door she chose in her courtroom. ICE has no jurisdiction/ability to control that. She didn't harbor the defendant, he left once the case ended.

Also, ICE shouldn't be making sting operation arrest in courthouses. That's executive overreach on steroids.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are sanctions against the DOJ and FBI in the long term.

Maybe. I guess we will see. Depends on the federal judge assigned to the case.

 

[coldseat]

Maybe. I guess we will see. Depends on the federal judge assigned to the case.

It won't matter in this case. The framing of the DOJ and FBI will fall apart under scrutiny and like so many of the other dictates of this administration, doesn't have any actual legal support.

They're choosing to spotlight this case because the believe people like yourself will be moved by it. It's all just more propaganda to feed their base.

 

[Sendai]

So they say, but if you believe they are telling the truth about that in all cases then you’re incredibly naive. Do you think that 4 yo citizen with stage 4 cancer should have been removed without the family being allowed to contact the doctors or retrieve their medicine? Do you feel safer now that they’re deported?

I am noted, especially by my former project mates, as impeccably pragmatic. Had I been a family member or friend I would have the medicine on a FedEx flight rather quickly. Also, would be lining up caretakers in the event of a desire to repatriate the children. I’m sure there are many social services that would arrange their return.

Safer isn’t an issue or concern to me. Pragmatism is. The $12 billion it’s costing New York City alone. Or the cost to Chicago, L.A., etc. etc. , the strain on social service programs. And the jobs they leave can be picked up by citizens on unemployment and the welfare rolls. If they won’t work then cut the benefits off.

I’d like to see the 1.7 millions gottaways rounded up and swiftly deported. That might be a group prone to causing trouble.

You are not wrong about intimidation. Make it so they want to leave on their own.

I do find it interesting the former presidential terms open spigot at the border is no longer open. Must not be that hard to turn off.

And of the 8 million awaiting their hearing, those ordered deported at the end of the hearings cycle, should be on their way that day.

Eliminate the incentives and eliminate the problem.

I have a friend with a roofing home renovation contractor business. He has a legal arrangement with Costa Rica. Legal skilled workers. Multiple crews, four month stints, and they are happy to be home with their families after the four months. He tells me it’s a very common way to do business.

 

[UriUT]

Tax Contributions

Do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? Undocumented immigrants play a crucial role in the U.S. economy, not only through their labor but also through substantial tax contributions that support public services and government programs. In 2023, households led by undocumented immigrants paid $89.8B...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

I don't go to cato to read often, but this did cross my bluesky/threads feed.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-cato-research-shows-illegal-immigrants-are-less-likely-be-convicted-murder-texas

 

[UriUT]

I am noted, especially by my former project mates, as impeccably pragmatic. Had I been a family member or friend I would have the medicine on a FedEx flight rather quickly. Also, would be lining up caretakers in the event of a desire to repatriate the children. I’m sure there are many social services that would arrange their return.

Safer isn’t an issue or concern to me. Pragmatism is. The $12 billion it’s costing New York City alone. Or the cost to Chicago, L.A., etc. etc. , the strain on social service programs. And the jobs they leave can be picked up by citizens on unemployment and the welfare rolls. If they won’t work then cut the benefits off.

I’d like to see the 1.7 millions gottaways rounded up and swiftly deported. That might be a group prone to causing trouble.

You are not wrong about intimidation. Make it so they want to leave on their own.

I do find it interesting the former presidential terms open spigot at the border is no longer open. Must not be that hard to turn off.

And of the 8 million awaiting their hearing, those ordered deported at the end of the hearings cycle, should be on their way that day.

Eliminate the incentives and eliminate the problem.

I have a friend with a roofing home renovation contractor business. He has a legal arrangement with Costa Rica. Legal skilled workers. Multiple crews, four month stints, and they are happy to be home with their families after the four months. He tells me it’s a very common way to do business.

So you know, pragmatic is the last adjective I'd use. Immigration is an emotional topic. Pragmatic means you'd recognize the benefits of cheap labor bordering on slavery. It increases your standards of living, fills labor gaps in your industries, inject new culture/thought/innovations, and im sure if I want to devote more thoughts I'd find more. No, this is all emotion. Our infrastructure at the moment can handle more. People here just want to satisfy that emotional part...and pragmatism has no business there.

Ok, I have a little more time.

Pragmatic is not spending billions rounding people who've already crossed and are contributing to our society. Pragmatic is not upending our rule of law to satisfy some emotional need to expel people who generally are more well behaved than natives. Pragmatic is maybe finding ways to readjust our laws so these people can come in legally and contribute without fear. But of course not so pragmatic itch deep inside that burns with rage is preventing all of that.

 

[MT15]

Evidently an accommodation afforded to one criminal defendant (Trump) is fine, but the same accommodation offered to another criminal defendant is multiple felonies.

They are so evil.

 

[MT15]

I am noted, especially by my former project mates, as impeccably pragmatic. Had I been a family member or friend I would have the medicine on a FedEx flight rather quickly. Also, would be lining up caretakers in the event of a desire to repatriate the children. I’m sure there are many social services that would arrange their return.

Safer isn’t an issue or concern to me. Pragmatism is. The $12 billion it’s costing New York City alone. Or the cost to Chicago, L.A., etc. etc. , the strain on social service programs. And the jobs they leave can be picked up by citizens on unemployment and the welfare rolls. If they won’t work then cut the benefits off.

I’d like to see the 1.7 millions gottaways rounded up and swiftly deported. That might be a group prone to causing trouble.

You are not wrong about intimidation. Make it so they want to leave on their own.

I do find it interesting the former presidential terms open spigot at the border is no longer open. Must not be that hard to turn off.

And of the 8 million awaiting their hearing, those ordered deported at the end of the hearings cycle, should be on their way that day.

Eliminate the incentives and eliminate the problem.

I have a friend with a roofing home renovation contractor business. He has a legal arrangement with Costa Rica. Legal skilled workers. Multiple crews, four month stints, and they are happy to be home with their families after the four months. He tells me it’s a very common way to do business.

Look up tone deaf, or unreasonable in the dictionary and this would be a good example.

Just amazing.

 

[DaveXA]

I am noted, especially by my former project mates, as impeccably pragmatic. Had I been a family member or friend I would have the medicine on a FedEx flight rather quickly. Also, would be lining up caretakers in the event of a desire to repatriate the children. I’m sure there are many social services that would arrange their return.

I don't see the pragmatism here.

Safer isn’t an issue or concern to me. Pragmatism is. The $12 billion it’s costing New York City alone. Or the cost to Chicago, L.A., etc. etc. , the strain on social service programs. And the jobs they leave can be picked up by citizens on unemployment and the welfare rolls. If they won’t work then cut the benefits off.

Being safer isn't being pragmatic? I'd think they align more often than not, no?

I’d like to see the 1.7 millions gottaways rounded up and swiftly deported. That might be a group prone to causing trouble.

And you know this how?

You are not wrong about intimidation. Make it so they want to leave on their own.

First I've heard of using intimidation as a coercive tactic being pragmatic.

I do find it interesting the former presidential terms open spigot at the border is no longer open. Must not be that hard to turn off.

The "open spigot" was never that far open to begin with. Despite all of the propaganda you choose to believe, millions were deported during the Biden Administration. I guess being dishonest can be pragmatic based on your approach.

And of the 8 million awaiting their hearing, those ordered deported at the end of the hearings cycle, should be on their way that day.

They typically are. That hasn't really changed.

Eliminate the incentives and eliminate the problem.

What incentives are you talking about? You think it's that easy or pragmatic?

I have a friend with a roofing home renovation contractor business. He has a legal arrangement with Costa Rica. Legal skilled workers. Multiple crews, four month stints, and they are happy to be home with their families after the four months. He tells me it’s a very common way to do business.

You and I have wildly different ideas on what's pragmatic and what's not.

 

[DaveXA]

Evidently an accommodation afforded to one criminal defendant (Trump) is fine, but the same accommodation offered to another criminal defendant is multiple felonies.

They are so evil.

It's always rules for thee...nothing new there.