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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Who's going to tell her nobody cares? Lol

    Republican minorities are forever pandering to the Republican white masses. And they love them for justifying their racism.

    Posted this in the racist thread - link to article doesn't work anymore. But article is about this exactly
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    Wasn't sure what thread to put this in

    Talks about how black republicans can't acknowledge that racism, systematic or otherwise exists at all

    This is my first time hearing the Clarence Thomas story
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    Aside from racial gerrymandering, suppressing votes, underfunding schools, upholding a biased criminal justice system, denying a woman’s right to choose, preventing access to healthcare, undermining democracy, opposing reparations and thwarting every effort for equal rights, perhaps the most preposterous part of conservative mythology is the insidiously racist idea of “bootstraps”.

    According to this wholly absurd construct, hard work – and hard work, alone – is a magical key that unlocks the promises of the American dream. And, if one accepts this premise, then the converse must also be true. Anyone who doesn’t achieve their dreams is simply not working hard enough.

    Although “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” was originally intended to be an obviously sarcastic phrase suggesting an impossible accomplishment, the concept has become a key component of the Republican ideology, especially as it relates to racial inequality.

    Apparently, the infallible founding fathers and the heralded leaders of the past wasted 250 years constructing laws, traditions, practices and a constitution that provided an economic, political and social advantage to the white majority when all they had to do was put their noses to the grindstone.

    America’s white majority benefited from human trafficking, free labor, segregation, redlining and the whole of government-sanctioned racism. Yet, to fulfill the promise that America offers, all Black people ever needed is a strong back, a good idea and an unfailing work ethic.

    For Black Republicans, accepting this sliver of ahistorical fiction is the first step to ascending to a position of power and prominence in the Grand Old Party. Counterbalancing the accusations of racism lobbed at the Republican party is the main job of Black conservatives. To do this, they are required to fabricate a life story that serves as a parable and proof of the bootstrapping thesis.

    Even before Herschel Walker decided to vie for the Georgia Senate seat occupied by Senator Raphael Warnock, the NFL running-back-turned-bootstrap-evangelist made a habit of explaining how his work ethic and a don’t-quit mentality led to accomplishments as a student, multimillionaire and a business mogul. There was only one problem with Walker’s backstory:

    It doesn’t seem to be true.......

    The South Carolina senator Tim Scott is taking note. For years, he has repeatedly extolled the values of hard work as part of his origin story.

    He often recounts the tale of his poor, illiterate grandfather who – Scott conveniently forgets to mention – owned 900 acres in South Carolina.

    While Scott once told me during an interview that he “struggles to come up with a concise definition of what systemic racism looks like”, he confidently told the world that “America is not a racist country”.

    And, according to Axios, Scott is now preparing to give a speech that warns against “teaching kids that they are oppressors”. How convenient. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Scott’s name has been bandied about as a presidential candidate.

    Perhaps America’s highest-ranking Black Republican is Clarence Thomas. During his rise to the supreme court, Thomas loved to tell the tale of how his sister was content to survive on government assistance while he embraced the all-American ethos of hard work. “She gets mad when the mailman is late with her welfare check,” Thomas told a group of Black conservatives in 1980.

    “What’s worse is that now her kids feel entitled to the check too. They have no motivation for doing better or getting out of that situation.’’ It turns out, it was all a lie. But of course, it served its purpose. As a supreme court justice, Thomas’s life has turned into a liability that may cost his party a supreme court seat.........

    Unlike their white counterparts, Black Republicans are required to promote the idea that – instead of discrimination, systemic inequality and history – Black people are victims of their own laziness.

    Kelly Loeffler, who held the Georgia Senate seat before Walker’s opponent, came from a family that profited from government assistance.

    However, Loeffler didn’t bear the burden of representing the shiftlessness of white “culture”. Ben Carson didn’t point out that the man who appointed him could serve as the poster boy for white privilege, if Trump could manage to wrestle the title from the man who appointed Thomas to the supreme court, George HW Bush...........

     
    Who's going to tell her nobody cares? Lol

    Republican minorities are forever pandering to the Republican white masses. And they love them for justifying their racism.
    also posted this in the CRT thread

    I don't have a problem with disagreeing. I don't have a problem with black conservatives. I don't have a problem with conservatives

    I do have a problem with extreme partisan nutjobs

    Now I don't watch Fox so this may be wrong but it sure seems that the black talking heads on Fox are mostly there to talk about racial issues. Are any offering their view on the G7 conference right now? (again they may be)

    But it doesn't feel like that's the viewpoint of theirs Fox is looking for

    They're looking for the "We don't need CRT, students are forced to learn too much black history as it is" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "Maybe George Floyd deserved was he got" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "There is no police brutality" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "All these voter laws make it easier for black people to vote" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "I wish black people would stop whining about racism" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "There's no such thing as racism, structural, institutional or otherwise" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "IF racism exists, it's against white people" viewpoint

    They're looking for the in 2008 "Why would having a black president be a big deal?" viewpoint

    They're looking for the "Why do we have a Martin Luther King Day?" viewpoint

    And when these viewpoints are offered on air the clips are later and gleefully posted, retweeted, shared all over the internet (including a certain NFL team political spin off board) as a real AHA! moment, "You see! YOU SEE!!!! Look at what this ONE black person says! How can racism be real when this ONE black person says it isn't. I win!"
     
    almost put this in the media tracker thread
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    Republicans these days aren’t even bothering to disguise their racism or contempt for women. They flaunt their bigotry, daring the media to recoil. And they usually get away with it.

    Consider a recent statement from Sen. Tommy Tuberville. During a rally in Nevada on Saturday, the Alabama Republican declared that Democrats are “pro-crime.” He added: “They want crime. They want crime because they want to take over what you got. They want to control what you have. They want reparation because they think the people that do the crime are owed that.”

    This is a blatantly racist comment suggesting that Black people “do" crime. Why hasn’t the media forced Republicans to respond to it?

    Or consider the recent comment in favor of forced-birth laws from New Hampshire Republican Senate candidate Donald Bolduc. During a town hall in Auburn, N.H., last week, he weighed in on whether abortion laws should be left up to federal or state lawmakers.

    Here’s how he put it: “It belongs to the state. It belongs to these gentlemen right here, who are state legislators representing you.” He continued: “That is the best way I think, as a man, that women get the best voice. At the state level, not at the federal level.”

    “It belongs to these gentlemen.” That statement received little national attention, but it gets at the heart of what Republicans want when they support abortion bans: male lawmakers forcing women to remain pregnant and give birth.

    For Republicans, such comments are a no-lose proposition. Right-wing media will ignore them unless Democrats complain loudly.

    And the mainstream media rarely asks Republicans about extreme statements from members of their own party that demean women in interviews or news conferences, and if they do, they invariably let Republicans escape with some weak excuse (e.g., “I didn’t hear the remark”).

    What should Democrats do if they want voters to understand the tenor of today’s Republicans? Tie Republican candidates up and down the ballot to remarks such as these. Otherwise, the GOP will continue waltzing along, denigrating and diminishing women..............

    Reporters must do better. Regarding Tuberville’s remarks, for example, interviewers must press Republicans again and again on the issue, no matter how this upsets the “flow” of the segment or detracts from other topics.

    Start with a question such as this: “Tuberville essentially said that Black Americans are responsible for crime. How can you defend this blatantly racist comment?”

    And if the interviewee attempts to say that Tuberville never brought up race, press them again: “He specifically mentioned reparations. Doesn’t that specifically refer to compensation for slavery?”............

     
    Ken Paxton, the Republican attorney general of Texas, has been under felony indictment for securities fraud since 2015, and a judge has ordered him to sit for a deposition in the case next month.

    He is under FBI investigation for assisting a real estate developer who allegedly hired his mistress and remodeled his home. Four of Paxton’s former top lieutenants are suing to get their jobs back, saying they were fired in violation of the Texas Whistleblower Act for reporting potential crimes by the attorney general to the feds.

    No Democrat has won statewide in Texas since 1994, and former congressman Beto O’Rourke is extremely unlikely to win his race against Gov. Greg Abbott. Beating Paxton should have been Democrats’ best chance to end the drought.

    But they nominated former ACLU lawyer Rochelle Garza, whose claim to fame is helping a 17-year-old undocumented immigrant get an abortion while in federal custody.

    Paxton now appears likely to be reelected next month as the chief law enforcement officer in a state of nearly 30 million people. Meanwhile, the Texas State Bar’s Commission for Lawyer Discipline is seeking court sanctions against him for peddling false claims of voter fraud after the 2020 election.

    It was Paxton who filed Texas’s frivolous lawsuit seeking to throw out the votes of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin. After the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the case, Paxton warmed up the crowd for President Donald Trump at the “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6, 2021, that preceded the Capitol insurrection.

    Just 34 percent of Texans think Paxton has the integrity to serve as attorney general, according to a poll conducted last month by the Dallas Morning News and the University of Texas at Tyler, including only 50 percent of Republicans. But Paxton led Garza by seven points in the same survey because 68 percent of Republicans nevertheless plan to vote for him.............

     
    Very good article about fundraising emails/texts differences between both parties
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    …….So what does all this linguistic fiddling say about the parties behind it? With just a few weeks before voting begins, the Guardian sorted through some of the most memorable messages of the 2022 campaign to shed light on the question.

    Republicans​

    For the GOP, it’s all about unswerving loyalty to the party – and to the great overlord, the chosen one, he who alone can fix it. He is not running for office this year, but his party seems unaware.

    Text messages from the Republican National Committee dangle a wide range of perks: donate and you can be a part of the Trump Gold Club, the Trump Advisory Board (he undoubtedly takes direct calls from members), the Trump Free Speech Committee (I was flattered to receive an “EXECUTIVE INVITE” to this one), the 1 Million Trump Social Club, or the America First 100 Club.

    Failing that, you can become a Trump Social Media Founding Supporter or get on the Trump Life Membership List (the messages do not specify what it would mean to be a lifetime member of Trump). Gifs of the ex-president often adorn the bottom of emails.

    And if none of these clubs are for you, beware the RNC’s wrath. “Don’t you care?” asked a message on 30 June. “Our records show your Trump Advisory Board membership status is STILL PENDING ACTIVATION!”

    This was just one of many similar messages that arrived after a failure to donate. In February, I was threatened with “possible suspension” – from what, I’m not sure – if I didn’t provide my “$45 payment”. Then in April: “Patriot! YOU NEVER ANSWERED!” (Capitals theirs.)

    Later, things got passive-aggressive. “Do we need to talk, friend?” the party wondered. A few weeks after that, in May: “We’re not mad, we’re just asking. Why haven’t you pledged to follow Pres. Trump on Truth Social [his social media platform]?”……..

    Clearly, the party’s marketing team believes donors are motivated by accusations of insufficient loyalty. In a March email describing the invasion of Ukraine, the party said a poll had found most Democrats would flee the country if the US found itself in a similar position.

    “So we must ask: Would you fight for your country if it was under attack? Researchers need your response by midnight tonight. If you do not respond in time, we will assume you side with the Democrats who wouldn’t fight for America.”……

    Democrats​

    The opposing party is equally inclined to hyperbole, though it often takes a very different tone – one of vulnerability and occasional self-flagellation. “We’re downright BEGGING you,” wailed the subject line from a late September Democratic email. “Election day is 64 days away and we’re getting nervous,” warned a text early last month.

    It’s really upsetting to have to send multiple texts and emails every day: “This isn’t easy for me,” wrote Joe Biden in April. A few months later: “I hate to ask.” (If Republicans’ word choice was occasionally odd, Democrats made mistakes of their own – this particular message suggested I “take a moment to read this email, and then chip in $0 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee”, which I did.)….

    When they’re not PLEADING, Democrats, in classic Democratic fashion, struggle to get their message out. While Republicans spit out brief, simple messages, Democrats offer subject lines like this from April: “I hope you’ll read this long email about how the DNC is bringing advanced data infrastructure to thousands of midterm campaigns this year, and then consider chipping in to support that work.” What red-blooded American could resist?……

    If Republican messaging aligns with Lakoff’s “strict father” worldview, Democrats’ touchy-feely messaging fits his description of the progressive mindset, which he calls “nurturant parent”. That’s the empathetic figure who “isn’t imposing on the child but rather wants to find out what you need”, Lakoff says. “For the Democratic party, democracy is based on empathy. Why would you have a democracy, you know? In order to help other people, to make sure everybody gets treated equally, that everybody gets what they need from the government.”

    The “begging” and “pleading”, then, seem to be based on the assumption recipients wish to do good; describing nervousness and sinking hearts appeals to empathy. And Barbra, John and Martin are all just part of the family.

    And what would a nurturing family be without guilt trips? Of course, Democratic guilting is more “have you forgotten the parents who worked so hard to raise you?” than the Republicans’ “if you don’t cough up now, you’re dead to me”…….







    Came across this one

    did I offend you?? Please let me explain...

    When we told you Mark Kelly was in trouble, we expected a SURGE of donations to CRUSH Republicans in Arizona.

    But McConnell's Super PAC is blitzing Mark Kelly with attack ads. The polls are too close to call. And we're checking our ActBlue page non-stop....

    But we DON'T understand why more Democrats aren't donating?!?! 😟😟😟😟

    If Mark Kelly loses, our Senate Majority will be gone for good... and we'll never.. EVER.. forgive ourselves. So can you please be generous and donate today?

    Click to donate on ActBlue: https://go.letamericavote.org/101101

    -Andrew L.
    LAV

    Reply Stop to end
     
    The first-term House member from North Carolina lost his primary to Chuck Edwards, a member of the state’s Senate, after a series of embarrassing videos leaked and Mr Cawthorn lost the support of his party’s leaders in the House and Senate thanks to comments he made about his colleagues supposedly using drugs and having sex parties.

    Now, The Washington Post reports that Mr Cawthorn has virtually ceased operations in his district office, which is described as no longer being regularly staffed, including vital constituent work which includes the more mundane but still important duties like helping residents of his district obtain federal services or report problems in the area…..

     
    Interesting article
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    About half of all Americans believe both major political parties are in need of more moderate candidates, and they are just as likely to view the Democratic party as extreme as they are the Republican party, according to a new survey.

    The LX News/More in Common/YouGov poll found large chunks of independent voters — and young Americans — increasingly turned off by the two major parties, with many naming polarization as a factor in why they may not vote this fall.

    The poll also found that while 60% of U.S. adults say they will definitely vote in this fall’s midterm elections, the rate was significantly lower for adults under 40, those without a college degree, and voters of color — demographics that were also the least likely to say they were registered to one of the two major political parties.

    “People are very fed up and they don't see a ton of moderation happening in either party,” said Dan Vallone, U.S. director for nonpartisan nonprofit More in Common. “We describe it as the exhausted majority... who actually want to see more moderation in politics.

    “For a lot of Americans out there, the two parties are actually much more similar than they are different when it comes to extremity versus moderation.”

    President Biden has called “MAGA Republicans” too extreme for America. Republicans have said the same about the Democratic party.

    But the LX News/More in Common/YouGov poll found a plurality of independent voters believed the Democratic party (54%) and the Republican party (49%) both needed more moderates.

    The survey also found:

    • Democrats were virtually split on whether their own party needed more moderates (38% yes; 42% no), while Republicans were significantly less likely to believe the GOP needed more moderates (30% yes; 51% no)
    • Hispanic citizens who were not registered to a party were significantly more likely to say the Democratic party needed more moderates (net +39%), compared to Republicans (net +11%)
    • Adults under 40 are increasingly likely to distance themselves from the major parties

    Why Some Groups Aren’t Planning to Vote This Fall

    Respondents who said they would “definitely” vote this fall were much more likely to be from the Silent Generation (87%), the Baby Boomer generation (80%) or Generation X (62%) than from the Millennial generation (48%) or Generation Z (26%)

    But apathy doesn’t appear to be the leading cause for the lack of youth engagement. Instead, the top reason young adults gave for not planning to vote this fall was "lacking knowledge on the candidates and issues."..........

    The poll also found:

    • Generation Z was more likely than any other generation to say they may not vote because they don’t have time to vote, or the knowledge of how/where to vote
    • White Americans (68%) were much more likely to say they will definitely vote this fall, compared to Black Americans (45%) or other American minorities (49%)
    • Americans without a college degree (56%) were less likely to say they will definitely vote, compared to those with a four-year degree (71%) or those with a postgraduate degree (77%).........

     
    It worked well for them with the rigged election cries.

    But its like he just doesn't get it. How much are the lies about Sandy Hook costing him? but yet he just keeps on with the blatant lies.

    we now have an answer to this question:

     
    A Minnesota man who claimed Antifa set fire to his camper during the political unrest of 2020 because he had displayed a Trump campaign flag admitted to staging the event and committing insurance fraud, the Justice Department announced Tuesday.

    Denis Molla, age 30, of Minneapolis suburb Brooklyn Center was indicted by a federal grand jury in July and pleaded guilty to one count of wire fraud after being accused of defrauding and attempting to defraud an insurance agency and GoFundMe donors of more than $300,000 following the alleged incident, according to court records.

    In September 2020, Molla had “falsely reported to law enforcement that someone had lit his camper on fire and that three unknown males were near his home when he heard an explosion,” according to a DOJ news release. The Justice Department said Molla claimed his property was vandalized with graffiti referencing “Biden 2020,” Black Lives Matter, and Antifa.

    Molla falsely told CNN affiliate WCCO shortly after the fire that he believed someone set the blaze in response to Trump 2020 flags he had put in his yard. “These kind of stuff should not happen, especially over beliefs of some sort,” he told WCCO...........

     
    A Minnesota man who claimed Antifa set fire to his camper during the political unrest of 2020 because he had displayed a Trump campaign flag admitted to staging the event and committing insurance fraud, the Justice Department announced Tuesday.

    Denis Molla, age 30, of Minneapolis suburb Brooklyn Center was indicted by a federal grand jury in July and pleaded guilty to one count of wire fraud after being accused of defrauding and attempting to defraud an insurance agency and GoFundMe donors of more than $300,000 following the alleged incident, according to court records.

    In September 2020, Molla had “falsely reported to law enforcement that someone had lit his camper on fire and that three unknown males were near his home when he heard an explosion,” according to a DOJ news release. The Justice Department said Molla claimed his property was vandalized with graffiti referencing “Biden 2020,” Black Lives Matter, and Antifa.

    Molla falsely told CNN affiliate WCCO shortly after the fire that he believed someone set the blaze in response to Trump 2020 flags he had put in his yard. “These kind of stuff should not happen, especially over beliefs of some sort,” he told WCCO...........


    By the logic of a certain segment of the population, this is proof that Antifa perpetrating hate crimes is false, right?
     
    Interesting read
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    PHOENIX — Kari Lake likes to tell a story about how she told her campaign consultants to go to hell.
The former local Fox anchor is battling Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs to replace outgoing Republican Gov. Doug Ducey.

    Since Hobbs has refused to debate her, Lake is doing event after event around Arizona, making her case directly to voters.

    And at every event I’ve attended, she has told the same story about the “know-nothing” campaign consultants who tell her to distance herself from Donald Trump.


    “I say to them, ‘Put down Hunter’s crack pipe right now!’ ” she told an audience on Sunday night, with the former president standing onstage right beside her. After pausing for the crowd to cheer the put-down, she continued, one hand over her heart.

    “Wouldn’t it be horrible? What would it say about my character if I stepped away from my friends? If I step away from my friends, that means I would step away from you, and I will never step away from the people of Arizona.
“And so for those know-nothing consultants and the media,” she finished, “I want to show you what it looks like when I step away from President Trump.”

    With that, she stepped back, gave Trump a hug and exited the stage to an exultant crowd chanting her name.


    It’s such a fascinating moment, and not just because it so neatly encapsulates the evolution of Republican politics in the Trump era. It also suggests a reason for why that politics is so effective — and why mainstream Washington’s frantic attempts to anathematize the Trumpian style might paradoxically have increased its appeal.

    I was part of those mainstream efforts; I spent years arguing that Trump’s impulsivity and his savage attacks on everyone from Gold Star parents to those with physical disabilities ought to have disqualified him from high office.

    Like most of my colleagues in the media, I was astonished to find that this only made his voters love him more. Many observers concluded that this must be because Trump’s voters were simply awful bigots who loved meanness for its own sake.

    (“The cruelty is the point,” Adam Serwer wrote in 2018 for the Atlantic.)


    Presumably, they’re right in some cases; there are bad apples in any large political movement. But as I’ve watched Trumpy candidates and spoken to Trumpy voters, I’ve begun to wonder whether there isn’t another point that we’ve been missing…….

     
    Wasn't sure what thread to put this in
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    The debate over the meaning of free speech took another turn recently when a federal judge announced that he would no longer take clerks who had graduated from the Yale Law School, which is down the street from where I’m writing this in New Haven.

    US Circuit Judge James Ho told Reuters that Yale Law “not only tolerates the cancelation of views — it actively practices it.” He added: "I don’t want to cancel Yale. I want Yale to stop canceling people like me."

    At least one other federal judge heard Ho’s call to join him. In a statement to National Review, a “conservative” magazine, Federal Appeals Court Judge Elizabeth Branch said she would follow suit.

    "Like Judge Ho, I am gravely concerned that the stifling of debate not only is antithetical to this country’s founding principles, but also stunts intellectual growth,” Judge Branch said last week. “Accordingly, I accept Judge Ho’s invitation to join him in declining to consider students from Yale Law School for clerkships with me.”

    According to Fox pundit Leo Terrell, boycotting Yale Law grads is the right thing to do, because clerks should remain nonpartisan. “You cannot have law clerks who are going to serve as members of the federal court system canceling half this country's viewpoint," he said.

    The fundamental requirement for any law clerk is to be fair and to allow a marketplace of ideas. What these law clerks, these students at Yale want to do, they want to indoctrinate Americans from the federal court system and basically use it as a propaganda tool. You cannot cancel half of this country simply because you do not like their viewpoint.

    There’s a lot going on here. For one thing, we’re told that “cancel culture” is bad — except, apparently, when it’s the right people doing the canceling and the right people being canceled.

    That’s the only way to understand “conservative” judges thinking that canceling Yale Law grads is not the same thing they accuse Yale Law of doing.

    Evidently:

    When they cancel people, it’s a moral crime.

    When we cancel people, it’s righteous action...........

     
    Words do have meanings, except to the far right, evidently.

     

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