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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Looks like a good place for this...

    theweek.com

    Wisconsin's 1-party rule is what the GOP wants everywhere

    The state is a preview of what the GOP will do nationally — if given the chance
    theweek.com theweek.com

    The foundation of Republican control of Wisconsin is one of the most extreme gerrymanders in American history. Back in 2018, Republicans lost the popular vote in the state Senate races by 52.3 percent to 46.9 percent, yet gained two seats for a 19-14 majority. In the state Assembly, they lost the popular vote 53.0 to 44.8, yet lost only one seat to retain a 63-36 supermajority — and that was a wave election year for Democrats. It is de facto impossible for Democrats to win given any remotely realistic distribution of votes.

    That ridiculous Saddam Hussein-esque cheating led to a legal challenge to the gerrymander as a violation of Wisconsin residents' constitutional rights. But the conservative Supreme Court majority tossed the case in 2019 on obvious political grounds, giving Wisconsin Republicans free rein to cheat some more. (Virtually the sole principle in conservative jurisprudence is this: "If it benefits Republicans, that means it's constitutional.")

    As a result, new maps based on the latest census data are nearly as bad. The Princeton Gerrymandering Project gives the proposed maps drawn up by the Wisconsin legislature for the Senate and Assembly an "F" for partisan fairness. The project estimates that in a 50-50 election, Republicans would have a 13.6 percent advantage in Assembly seats and a 19.7 percent advantage in the Senate. In both houses, a majority of seats are rated as safely Republican. For the last decade, the people of Wisconsin have had effectively no say in their government, and now they'll have no say for the next decade. Vote for whomever you want, you'll get GOP rule every time.
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    This is a problem these days, and seems to only be getting worse. Representative government needs to be representative. It it's not representative, it's unlikely to be responsive to both the needs and the will of the people -- it's only responsive to the needs and will of the party holding power.

    The idea (at least in my idealistic mind), is that if the government swings too far one way or the other, the voters can make a course correction next time at the polls. The ability of the voters to hold the government accountable keeps it tethered to the center and it can't swing too far either way.

    This goes hand in hand with the concept of sovereignty -- the government is responsible to the people, and the people are responsible for the government. But when representation in the government is so thoroughly manipulated, neither of those things are possible and you end up with a banana republic.
     
    What a total butt crevasse is Rand Paul. To be clear, he is telling what he thinks is a humorous story about his student days, when he told his fellow students that he knew an upcoming test would heavily involve questions on the liver, to get them to study one area and neglect others. He lied to get an academic advantage. Pretty much on brand, IMO.

     
    soon there won't be any left:

    Rep. John Katko, R-N.Y., announced he would not be running for reelection, becoming the third Republican who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump and subsequently announce their retirement from Congress.
     
    Kerry Won Ohio said:
    It's hard to believe Sinema used to be a member of the Green Party. The lady has lost her mind.
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    Yep she certainly is not like she started at all.

    Power she has is extremely limited. She only really joined because everyone was talking about Joe being a jerk and getting all the press. It is not like her district is crazy republican it was Jeff Flake's old seat and he certainly was middle of the road and against Trump. Mc Sally lost that then lost again to Mark Kelly twice to the democrats. Don't think she needs to do this just her job.

    But then again her mom doesn't agree with the living in an abandoned gas station with no power or water either. I would imagine her home life was not that bad considering she graduated both highschool at 15 and BYU at 18. I would imagine trying to find water to wash your arse and clothes daily and get all home work done before sun set would cut into studying time.

    She has been a life long student she has more degrees than a thermometer. She is smarter than this but this makes a name quickly without putting in the work.

    Think about this these two idiots got less than 1.5 million votes hell at least she got over a million. Joe is holding up the whole country and only got 290k votes.
     
    GrandAdmiral said:
    Now if this isn't a shot across the bow...

    www.cnn.com

    Analysis: Lindsey Graham just threatened Mitch McConnell over Donald Trump | CNN Politics

    South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham sent GOP Leader Mitch McConnell a very clear message Wednesday night: Get on board with Donald Trump or get out.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    Nothing but blanks.
    It's not going to change anything.
    Neither man is going anywhere, neither will vote for anything.
    They could get into a literal fistfight and it would just be theater.
     
    The money knows trump is great for the base idiots. And he will do whatever they say.

    But they know McConnell is the one who gets their agenda through. He ain’t going anywhere
     
    McConnell might regret not mustering a dozen or so sane Republican senators to vote to convict Trump. Extremely short-sighted move on his part. Yes, the GOP might have suffered in the short term from losing Trumpkin votes but it would have recovered in the long term.

    Now Trump is the GOP and McConnell and his allies are about to find themselves ousted out of positions of power. Graham would not have said this without marching orders. Do not be surprised if he eventually supplants McConnell.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    McConnell might regret not mustering a dozen or so sane Republican senators to vote to convict Trump. Extremely short-sighted move on his part. Yes, the GOP might have suffered in the short term from losing Trumpkin votes but it would have recovered in the long term.

    Now Trump is the GOP and McConnell and his allies are about to find themselves ousted out of positions of power. Graham would not have said this without marching orders. Do not be surprised if he eventually supplants McConnell.
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    McConnell is how old? Long-term just isn't in it for him.
    Get power at all costs, keep it by any means is his mantra. The future can f' itself.
     
    I guess long-term in the sense that there is a 'Republican Party' of McConnell and a 'Republican Party' of Trump. I really do think McConnell was outraged by the January 6 attack. The Senate is this guy's life. He could have easily dealt a major blow to Trumpism, done some damage control, and righted the GOP ship -- especially with an ineffective Biden as President.

    Now, however, his end has seemingly come much earlier than he anticipated. And instead of McConnells and Barrassos and Romneys who will be kicked to the curb, you are going to get dopes like Coach Tuberville, Dr. Oz, and probably one day Majorie Taylor Greene.
     
    This could go in a number of threads
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    When you’re right, you’re right. And you are definitely right about that quote from Martin Luther King.

    When he stood at the temple of Lincoln in 1963 and declared his dream “that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character,” he surely spoke a word for the ages. Your fondness for that word has not gone unnoticed. How could it?

    You invoke that line all the time – all ... the ... time – to show that King, had he not been murdered by a white supremacist in 1968, would have stood in solidarity with your social and political agenda.

    Most recently, you’ve used it in opposing the teaching of critical race theory. You use it so much that a body might think you couldn’t name another King quote if the survival of the human species depended on it.

    Well, did you know Martin Luther King said other things? It’s true! In a spirit of public service and in celebration of his birthday, here are a few of them. You’ll be happy to know that they support your right-wing agenda exactly as much as your favorite quote does.

    For instance, use this one to show that King would have shared your love of capitalism:

    “Something is wrong with capitalism. Maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. We must develop programs that will drive the nation to the realization of the need for a guaranteed annual income.”

    And like you, he surely would’ve condemned reparations and affirmative action:

    “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, in order to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis.”

    Certainly he didn’t believe there was any such thing as white privilege:

    “Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a ... mass effort to re-educate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn.”

    And he likely would have opposed ending the filibuster:

    “I think the tragedy is that we have a Congress with a Senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to keep the majority of people from even voting.”...............

     
    Here is a really good look at how authoritarian the Trump GOP is. However, as noted in this piece, it’s not just Trump. Really it’s not Trump at all, it’s all the new guys and the older ones are just falling into place:

    ‘Of course, since the rise of “fusionism,” at the National Review and then the Reagan GOP and the establishment party that followed, Republicans, to the extent they represented American conservatism, talked a good game about liberty. The nature of our constitutionally limited order, they argued, was to protect individual freedom and free enterprise, even if they got squeamish, for example, when such freedom extended to the bedroom. Until the collapse of the GOP into Trumpism, at least mainstream Republican leadership presented themselves as, in fact, liberals in the classical sense, and said they wanted government to effectively protect liberalism from its enemies on the left.

    But Trump ushered in an era of “post-liberal” conservatism, whether that was his own crude and unfocused populism, or the more intellectual approach of national conservatism, the New Right, or the fringe integralists. The idea that government should, above all, respect and protect individual and economic liberty, is increasingly sneered at by the American right, and that disdain for liberty is finding purchase, and maybe even dominance, within the GOP establishment.’

    The author goes on to detail Josh Hawley’s authoritarian ideas. If we want to remain a more or less free country and not be ruled by the new American Taliban GOP, we will have to defeat them at the polls everywhere. Local dogcatcher should not be GOP until they get their act together.

    newsletter.aaronrosspowell.com

    Why American Conservatism is Going to Get Worse

    Harvard law professor, Catholic integralist, piner for theocracy, and leading intellectual for the post-liberal conservative turn Adrian Vermeule got dragged on Twitter for setting out his wishlist for a post-liberal order. What do we traditionalists and national conservatives want? he asked...
    newsletter.aaronrosspowell.com newsletter.aaronrosspowell.com
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    I guess long-term in the sense that there is a 'Republican Party' of McConnell and a 'Republican Party' of Trump. I really do think McConnell was outraged by the January 6 attack. The Senate is this guy's life. He could have easily dealt a major blow to Trumpism, done some damage control, and righted the GOP ship -- especially with an ineffective Biden as President.

    Now, however, his end has seemingly come much earlier than he anticipated. And instead of McConnells and Barrassos and Romneys who will be kicked to the curb, you are going to get dopes like Coach Tuberville, Dr. Oz, and probably one day Majorie Taylor Greene.
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    McConnell is as responsible for the state of the Republican party as any of them. More so, actually. Graham, McCarthy and Trump are exactly the leaders the Republican party deserves.
     

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