What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[tigerfan]

Youngkin won for one reason, and one reason only: Because he distanced himself from the Obese Orange Toddler in Mar A Lago… That’s it.

That is only semi true. He distanced himself enough to get some moderates, but he didn’t distance himself so far to alienate Trump’s most loyal supporters

He also won because Mcauliffe botched education. Everyone sees through the Democrat gaslighting on CRT as well.

 

[tigerfan]

Also, the Democrats tried to make this about Trump and failed (would have worked if Trump were in power IMO). Twitter will now bring Trump back before the next election so he can drag R candidates down with moderates.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

That is only semi true. He distanced himself enough to get some moderates, but he didn’t distance himself so far to alienate Trump’s most loyal supporters

“Trump’s most loyal supporters” would never vote for a Democrat in 2021, so that is irrelevant.


IMO Republicans would be wise to heed the advice of those who tell them to move as far away from Trump as possible, moving forward.. it reminds me of back in 2007/2008 when folks were telling Democrats ‘you gotta run this guy Obama if you’re smart, he would do really well’ and they were right.. As a registered Independent , i am sort of ‘above the fray’ and objective- i am pro-sanity, that’s all i am, and there is at least *some* sanity on the Left, but very little on the right.. but as an Independent, i would strongly suggest to the Republicans that if they ever want to win anyhting nationally ever again, stay far, far away from the Orange one.

 

[tigerfan]

“Trump’s most loyal supporters” would never vote for a Democrat in 2021, so that is irrelevant.


IMO Republicans would be wise to heed the advice of those who tell them to move as far away from Trump as possible, moving forward.. it reminds me of back in 2007/2008 when folks were telling Democrats ‘you gotta run this guy Obama if you’re smart, he would do really well’ and they were right.. As a registered Independent , i am sort of ‘above the fray’ and objective- i am pro-sanity, that’s all i am, and there is at least *some* sanity on the Left, but very little on the right.. but as an Independent, i would strongly suggest to the Republicans that if they ever want to win anyhting nationally ever again, stay far, far away from the Orange one.

Yes but they also don’t come out to vote for what they call a “RINO.” So yes, they won’t vote for a Democrat. But Republicans need them to actually vote. And they won’t vote if the R candidate alienates Trump

 

[MT15]

Actually they think it is funny. And they think this funnier when people melt over it, especially when it is the media

It’s funny if you are stuck in middle-school. It’s childish, in reality. Have the guts to say what you mean.

 

[MT15]

That is only semi true. He distanced himself enough to get some moderates, but he didn’t distance himself so far to alienate Trump’s most loyal supporters

He also won because Mcauliffe botched education. Everyone sees through the Democrat gaslighting on CRT as well.

Explain what CRT is, because I would be willing to bet you don’t know. I do agree McAuliffe botched the education issue. He didn’t clearly expose the lies being told by Youngkin and Rs about what is being taught in the schools. Because it isn’t CRT.

He should have clearly called CRT panic out for what it is - fear-mongering. He should have shown actual public school history lessons. He should have asked - do you really want to ban the teaching of actual historical facts in our schools? Because that’s what Youngkin was standing for - book banning and censorship of the facts.

 

[brandon]

My first time logging in to this site in a couple of months- but i just came here to see if there’s been any talk about this moronic phrase “Let’s Go Brandon!”

As an actual Brandon, I do get annoyed when I hear people say it, but not because it's insulting. It's just so ridiculously childish.

I was at the game Sunday, and in my section, there were chants of "Let's go, Trevor!" but at some point when those chants stopped, a guy and a girl started alternating "Let's go, Brandon!" for like a full minute (no one else chimed in) and it was just the most cringe thing in the world. It's just embarrasing and sad.

 

[tigerfan]

Explain what CRT is, because I would be willing to bet you don’t know. I do agree McAuliffe botched the education issue. He didn’t clearly expose the lies being told by Youngkin and Rs about what is being taught in the schools. Because it isn’t CRT.

He should have clearly called CRT panic out for what it is - fear-mongering. He should have shown actual public school history lessons. He should have asked - do you really want to ban the teaching of actual historical facts in our schools? Because that’s what Youngkin was standing for - book banning and censorship of the facts.

This is what is so funny. There seems to be no definition of CRT from the left, but they definitely talk about it. And when what they talk about is put up at school, and parents push back, they say “that’s not CRT.” Basically you all in the left refuse to define it so you can just keep gaslighting and saying the right is fear mongering over nothing. The left came up with CRT. So how about YOU give us a definition.

 

[JRad]

This is what is so funny. There seems to be no definition of CRT from the left, but they definitely talk about it. And when what they talk about is put up at school, and parents push back, they say “that’s not CRT.” Basically you all in the left refuse to define it so you can just keep gaslighting and saying the right is fear mongering over nothing. The left came up with CRT. So how about YOU give us a definition.

That's a long winded "I don't know"

 

[Optimus Prime]

Socialism is bad OP. There is no other way around that.
Social programs paid by capitalists are OK. It prevents revolution and no one wants a revolution.

Social Security = Socialism = Bad
Polio Vaccine mandate = Socialism = Bad
FDIC = Socialism = Bad
Medicare = Socialism = Bad
Medicaid = Socialism = Bad
Civil Right Act = Socialism = Bad

Which of these do you wish had never been passed?
Which of these do you think we should do away with now?

And if your answer is none of them?

Then you agree that the GOP has been using 'socialism' as a fear mongering scare tactic against anything they don't like (which is the actual point of the article)

And if your answer is none of them then you further agree that a lot (if not all) of the things the GOP brands as 'socialism' are actually pretty good for the country

And if your reply is that none of these are 'real socialism' they are 'social programs paid by capitalists' are you okay with GOP calling these perfectly OK 'social programs' socialism when they aren't?

 

[Paul]

Social Security = Socialism = Bad
Polio Vaccine mandate = Socialism = Bad
FDIC = Socialism = Bad
Medicare = Socialism = Bad
Medicaid = Socialism = Bad
Civil Right Act = Socialism = Bad

Social programs paid by capitalist societies. That is not socialism. BTW, the Nordic countries are capitalists,

Which of these do you wish had never been passed?
Which of these do you think we should do away with now?

And if your answer is none of them?

Then you agree that the GOP has been using 'socialism' as a fear mongering scare tactic against anything they don't like (which is the actual point of the article)

And if your answer is none of them then you further agree that a lot (if not all) of the things the GOP brands as 'socialism' are actually pretty good for the country

And if your reply is that none of these are 'real socialism' they are 'social programs paid by capitalists' are you okay with GOP calling these perfectly OK 'social programs' socialism when they aren't?

The state plays a role in the welfare of those that are disadvantaged. I have no issues with that.

 

[tigerfan]

That's a long winded "I don't know"

Great non-answer yourself

 

[MT15]

Great non-answer yourself

You are the one who leveled the charge that democrats are ”gaslighting” about CRT. It sure seems like you should be able to tell me what it is.

 

[JRad]

Great non-answer yourself

I haven't put a large amount of research into it.
a) I'm not the one in a tizzy over it
b) I don't have kids
c) Call me crazy, but I believe educators should dictate education, not politicians

Your turn.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Social programs paid by capitalist societies. That is not socialism. BTW, the Nordic countries are capitalists,

And if your reply is that none of these are 'real socialism' they are 'social programs paid by capitalists' are you okay with GOP calling these perfectly OK 'social programs' socialism when they aren't?

 

[J-DONK]

I haven't put a large amount of research into it.
a) I'm not the one in a tizzy over it
b) I don't have kids
c) Call me crazy, but I believe educators should dictate education, not politicians

Your turn.

CRT is just the latest boogieman from the right. It was at one point about migrant caravans, and transgender bathrooms. The topic doesn't matter, only the sectarian conflict that results. The pot must constantly be stirred.

Anyone who brings up CRT as a serious topic is outing themselves as someone who listens to the conservative outrage machine. The same people are always quick to tell us. They are registered independent, and open-minded free thinkers.

 

[Taurus]

Youngkin won for one reason, and one reason only: Because he distanced himself from the Obese Orange Toddler in Mar A Lago… That’s it.

I disagree. He also won because Democrats can't sell shirt to flies and are categorically allergic to marketing to white people.

Here's their problem. The GOP has unapologetically, out loud and proudly positioned themselves as the party of white people. White people are still a majority in America. Thus, the GOP is the party of the majority. There are way more districts you can win without a single black vote than there are ones where you can win without whites. Failing to market your policies and plans to white people or, worse, deliberately alienating them is how you snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[MT15]

What is it about Rs and gun fetishes? This is a ridiculous look, IMO.



And I do realize it’s her right to have that weapon, but honestly, what is her message here? She doesn’t look approachable and friendly. She looks vaguely hostile. She’s not dressed for the shooting range, she‘s dressed for the office with a deadly weapon. It’s stupid. Almost as stupid as the way Boebert straps a pistol to her thigh like she’s cosplaying a Wild West character.