What happens to the Republican Party now? (4 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Paul]

You are describing the exact manner in which the GOP incites their base against immigrants, Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community, and Democrats in general.

Exactly!
Or the same way socialists blame those that are economically successful. Both sides do it. To assume otherwise is to misunderstand the human condition.

Unlike the Greeks the Romans extended citizenship to non Romans and allowed multiple religions. At the end both empires fell.

So who knows? At the end thriving nations allow diversity, but how much is too much?
In the end the world population will be a homogeneous. It may take 10,000 years if we are still here.

 

[RobF]

Exactly!
Or the same way socialists blame those that are economically successful. It is an awful system.

No. Not like that.

Especially groups like Jews, immigrants, Muslims, and the LGBTQ+ community, but even groups like political opponents, are not the same as 'those who are economically successful'. Being 'economically successful' is a result of a shared economic system. Being any of the others is not.

You are drawing a false comparison, and by doing so are trivialising a long, long, history of racism, anti-Semitism, and other bigotry and prejudice.

But is indeed an awful system that demonises those from other cultures, is intolerant towards them and insists cultures can't co-exist, that immigrants must lose their own culture accordingly, deems some nations and groups as superior to others, and singles out some for being 'poor' and 'dysfunctional' and in need of 'tutors' to make them 'polite educated gentlemen'.

So perhaps you should stop actively trying to stoke it.

 

[brandon]

One wonders how NAZISm spread. All it takes is to find a group that is supposedly the reason everything is going wrong in society. Once the group is demonized then the group becomes a unifying force for those that see themselves as oppressed. That is why the Jews were selected in Germany. They were different and successful.

This mechanism can also happen with left wing socialism where those that are economically successful are demonized and become the inspiration for revolution.

This post can expect a phone call from Morris Bart regarding my severe whiplash.

Edit: Also, both sides!

 

[MT15]

Yes, to pretend that ‘both sides’ are doing it equally in this country right now is actually giving aid and comfort to the right wing extremists.

 

[Paul]

Yes, to pretend that ‘both sides’ are doing it equally in this country right now is actually giving aid and comfort to the right wing extremists.

For me, a centrist it is all the same. I can see the tribal nature on both sides. I will say that at this time the extreme right wing tribe is more disconnected from reality. However, from my perspective both sides are dangerous.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
― Adam Smith

 

[brandon]

However, from my perspective both sides are dangerous.

Literal both sides!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

For me, a centrist it is all the same. I can see the tribal nature on both sides. I will say that at this time the extreme right wing tribe is more disconnected from reality. However, from my perspective both sides are dangerous.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
― Adam Smith

The left's extreme wants free healthcare, the elimination of massive student debt, and for all people to have food and housing while living on a planet we aren't slowly killing.

The right's extreme tried to overthrow the government, including an effort to lynch elected officials.

How are these equally dangerous?

 

[Paul]

The left's extreme wants free healthcare, the elimination of massive student debt, and for all people to have food and housing while living on a planet we aren't slowly killing.

The right's extreme tried to overthrow the government, including an effort to lynch elected officials.

How are these equally dangerous?

I am a centrist and I favor National Medicare. I do not see that as extreme left wing.
I also favor free state college for those that are academically qualified.

I despise the Trump wacos that stormed the Capitol, but that was no attempt to overthrow the government. For me that was the redneck version of looting during a demonstration. And you can thank the racist police departments that assumed white people demonstrations could not be violent and hence had virtually no security. That was white privilege. When BLM demonstrated all the monuments were guarded to the hilt.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
― Adam Smith

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I am a centrist and I favor National Medicare. I do not see that as extreme left wing.
I also favor free state college for those that are academically qualified.

I despise the Trump wacos that stormed the Capitol, but that was no attempt to overthrow the government. For me that was the redneck version of looting during a demonstration. And you can thank the racist police departments that assumed white people demonstrations could not be violent and hence had virtually no security. That was white privilege. When BLM demonstrated all the monuments were guarded to the hilt.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
― Adam Smith

They had makeshift gallows and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" while trying to prevent the federal government from performing their sworn duties. Your framing of what happened is remarkably close to a far-right argument.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I am a centrist and I favor National Medicare. I do not see that as extreme left wing.
I also favor free state college for those that are academically qualified.

I despise the Trump wacos that stormed the Capitol, but that was no attempt to overthrow the government. For me that was the redneck version of looting during a demonstration. And you can thank the racist police departments that assumed white people demonstrations could not be violent and hence had virtually no security. That was white privilege. When BLM demonstrated all the monuments were guarded to the hilt.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”
― Adam Smith

These are the things held up as the demands of the far-left. It doesn't matter how you see them. That's just anecdotal crap. These are the things that right-wing media holds up as radical to their viewers.

 

[Taurus]

These are the things held up as the demands of the far-left. It doesn't matter how you see them. That's just anecdotal crap. These are the things that right-wing media holds up as radical to their viewers.

Don't forget Corporate Communism.

 

[Paul]

They had makeshift gallows and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" while trying to prevent the federal government from performing their sworn duties. Your framing of what happened is remarkably close to a far-right argument.

I get!
What they did was despicable. But at the end of the day this was redneck low IQ looting. Nothing was coming out of this. What really irks me is that in front of the world America looked like a 3rd rate banana republic. My brother back home could not believe a bunch of hooligans could so easily invade the capitol. Why was the security so poor? How come the security was tighter for BLM protests?

I am not condoning the act. I am criticizing the abysmal poor security because the police assumed white protesters would not be violent. That is true racism!

 

[Paul]

These are the things held up as the demands of the far-left. It doesn't matter how you see them. That's just anecdotal crap. These are the things that right-wing media holds up as radical to their viewers.

There is nothing radical about National Medicare or free college.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I can’t believe you all keep getting sucked into the same circular logical fallacy arguments. This isn’t Mad About Politics anymore, it’s The Paul Show, and it’s repetitive and boring. I used to come here a few times a day, now I come once or twice a week, if that. I don’t blame Paul. I don’t believe he has enough self awareness to do any better. You guys though? Come on. It’s just the same silly easily disproven stuff over and over and over again.

We haven’t seen anything this repetitive and ridiculous since that dude whose Dad had a dream or two.

 

[SystemShock]

We haven’t seen anything this repetitive and ridiculous since that dude whose Dad had a dream or two.

... and you know what?

Things that make you go "hmmmm."

 

[brandon]

I am a centrist and I favor National Medicare. I do not see that as extreme left wing.

There is nothing radical about National Medicare or free college. I

And yet, as stated, this is pretty much what the “extreme” left in America actually wants.

So what is it you think the far left in America wants? Note that I didn’t say extreme left in general, because that’s not what we’re dealing with in America.

Specifically, what is it that you think the progressive wing of the democratic caucus wants that is equally dangerous to what the far right of the Republican Party wants?

I fully expect this post to be ignored.

 

[Paul]

And yet, as stated, this is pretty much what the “extreme” left in America actually wants.

So what is it you think the far left in America wants? Note that I didn’t say extreme left in general, because that’s not what we’re dealing with in America.

Specifically, what is it that you think the progressive wing of the democratic caucus wants that is equally dangerous to what the far right of the Republican Party wants?

I fully expect this post to be ignored.

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[Paul]

I can’t believe you all keep getting sucked into the same circular logical fallacy arguments. This isn’t Mad About Politics anymore, it’s The Paul Show, and it’s repetitive and boring. I used to come here a few times a day, now I come once or twice a week, if that. I don’t blame Paul. I don’t believe he has enough self awareness to do any better. You guys though? Come on. It’s just the same silly easily disproven stuff over and over and over again.

We haven’t seen anything this repetitive and ridiculous since that dude whose Dad had a dream or two.

Other than a personal attack. Do you have an argument?