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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:

    This just makes me sick to my stomach....

    Lara Trump in leadership of the Republican National Committee? Let's spend every penny on Donald Trump (she says) * The nauseating details are here... * https://www.yahoo.com/news/lara-trump-says-every-single-183245232.html
    madaboutpolitics.com madaboutpolitics.com
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    all for a free and fair election no less. well the money will pay all my legal bills but thats the same thing right?
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:

    This just makes me sick to my stomach....

    Lara Trump in leadership of the Republican National Committee? Let's spend every penny on Donald Trump (she says) * The nauseating details are here... * https://www.yahoo.com/news/lara-trump-says-every-single-183245232.html
    madaboutpolitics.com madaboutpolitics.com
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    You do know you don't have to keep doing this. We can see the thread at the top of the page, which frankly could go into any of the other threads already in the forum.
     
    efil4 said:
    I am at a loss as to the absence of decorum that has permeated certain Congress people over the last 5-7 years.
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    My mom would have called it vulgarity. She would have been correct.
     
    MT15 said:
    Polls over-rated R performance, again. This is a pattern at this point.

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    More in-depth on this election. It appears that abortion was a motivating factor. It wasn’t in 2022 because there wasn’t fear of a national ban. That is now front and center in women’s minds.

     
    Uri:

    I evidently unfollowed Wasserman a while back and then forgot, lol. I just went looking for him: he may have had this race as a “toss-up” going by some comments on his recap of the election. They are sort of giving him the business and he seems to be taking it in good humor.

    I think polls are broken. They don’t seem to be able to capture the actual mood of the electorate any longer.
     
    Sen Graham in 2016 regarding NATO:
    WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today made this statement in response to Republican nominee for President Donald Trump suggesting the United States would not defend NATO allies.

    “Statements like these make the world more dangerous and the United States less safe.

    “I can only imagine how our allies in NATO, particularly the Baltic states must feel after reading these comments from Mr. Trump. I’m 100 percent certain how Russian President Putin feels – he’s a very happy man.
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    www.lgraham.senate.gov

    Graham Calls on Trump to Clarify Trump NATO Statement

    WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today made this statement in response to Republican nominee for President Donald Trump suggesting the United States would not defend NATO allies. “Statements like these make the world more dangerous and the United States less safe...
    www.lgraham.senate.gov
    www.politico.com

    Republicans rip Trump over NATO plan

    One GOP lawmaker tells POLITICO, 'Comments like this are not only ill-informed, they’re dangerous.'
    www.politico.com www.politico.com
    Sen Graham today:
    “I want to have a system where if you don’t pay, you get kicked out. But no, I’m not inviting Russia to invade Ukraine,” Graham said Sunday. “President Trump is right to want NATO nations to meet their obligation of 2 percent.”

    “We need to turn it into an obligation that means something. I’m a big fan of NATO, but there’s $70-80 billion left on the table. If you’re in NATO, pay the 2 percent,” he said.
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    It should be noted that this 2% GDP to defense spending was an agreement made by NATO members "way back" in 2014!!! A full TWO years prior to Trump's full on blitz against NATO members.
     
    efil4 said:
    I am at a loss as to the absence of decorum that has permeated certain Congress people over the last 5-7 years.
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    At this point I couldn't care less about decorum. I'm not sure why it matters if the results are still the same.
     
    Louisiana’s Republican-dominated state legislature is poised to enact a swathe of new criminal justice measures as a special legislative session convenes on Monday, leaving reform advocates concerned about soaring rates of incarceration that may follow.

    The session, called by the state’s new far-right governor, Jeff Landry, will consider two dozen items including broad restrictions on parole eligibility, measures to resume executions, the lowering of the age limit for adult prosecutions, and changes to post-conviction procedures often used to remedy wrongful convictions or excessive sentences.

    The results are likely to undo hard-won bipartisan reform efforts in 2017, which helped shrink the state’s prison population by about a quarter and led to Louisiana losing the title of America’s most incarcerated state, with the rate of imprisonment slipping below Mississippi’s in recent years.


    Landry, the state’s former attorney general, came to office in January after a campaign centered on hardline law and order. A former sheriff’s deputy, he was sworn into office in a ceremony lined by flags associated with the “blue lives matter” movement that aligns with law enforcement and is often associated with white nationalism, marking the end of eight years of Democratic incumbency in the deep south state.

    In announcing the session on 8 February, Landry argued a raft of new laws would “repeal soft-on-crime policies that enable criminals and hurt our communities” and pledged to “make our state safe again”.

    While rates of violent crime in Louisiana have long been among the highest in the nation, the state has seen a significant decline since the end of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    And as details of the proposed new laws came into focus, advocates expressed alarm at a number of severe measures they argued would do little to improve public safety, continue to disproportionately affect Black communities and cost the state billions to enforce……


    www.theguardian.com

    ‘Unconscionable’ criminal justice bills could fuel soaring incarceration in Louisiana

    Reform advocates condemn raft of measures expected to pass under new far-right governor
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    could have gone in the immigration thread also
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    ..........The collapse of the border deal came against the backdrop of an unfolding crisis in Texas, where state officials have refused to allow federal immigration agents access to a section of the border along the Rio Grande. After the Supreme Court ruled that Texas had to give federal border agents access in late January, the Lone Star state’s governor Greg Abbott issued a defiant statement in which he invoked long-discredited constitutional theories employed by Southern secessionists in the lead up to the Civil War.

    Declaring that the federal government had “broken the compact” between the states by failing to protect them from “invasion” — in this case, illegal immigration — the right-wing governor proclaimed that Texas had “supreme” authority that “supersedes any federal statutes to the contrary,” putting forward a modern spin on the concept of nullification.

    As Stephen Vladeck, a legal scholar at the University of Texas School of Law, observed in the Houston Chronicle, Abbott’s argument has “eerie parallels” to the Antebellum-era idea that “states have the right to ‘nullify’ federal laws that they believe are unconstitutional, whether or not the courts agree with them.” It also rests on a blatant misinterpretation of the Constitution. To justify his claims of “supreme” power, the governor cited an obscure clause that was actually intended to limit state powers, while offering a specious definition of “invasion” that was refuted by James Madison over two centuries ago.

    Abbott’s embrace of Antebellum-era constitutional theories might have once earned him universal condemnation, but in 2024 it earned him almost unanimous praise from his fellow Republicans. In a joint statement issued shortly after Abbot’s, 25 Republican governors expressed their support for his defiance of both the Biden administration and the Supreme Court. Echoing their Texas counterpart, the governors accused the Biden administration of abdicating its “constitutional compact duties to the states.” Multiple governors have even sent some of their own troops and personnel to support the Texas governor in his standoff with the feds, which is currently ongoing.

    The crisis alongside the Texas border is just the latest instance of Republicans looking back to the Antebellum era for precedents to justify their increasingly atavistic behavior. Back in November, for example, Republican Senator Markwayne Mullin cited the notorious 1856 caning of the Republican abolitionist Charles Sumner in the senate chamber as a precedent for him challenging Teamsters president Sean O’Brien to a fistfight during a committee hearing.

    “Well, we looked into the rules, and you know, you used to be able to cane,” remarked the Oklahoma senator, who also pointed approvingly to the numerous duels of former president Andrew Jackson. “Maybe we should bring some of that back,” he mused. The vicious assault of Sumner by a slave-owning congressman — which nearly killed the Massachusetts senator — was not, in fact, deemed acceptable at the time, and triggered a national firestorm. But it was largely supported by the slave-defending Southern Democrats who would lead an insurrection just a few years later..............

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Louisiana’s Republican-dominated state legislature is poised to enact a swathe of new criminal justice measures as a special legislative session convenes on Monday, leaving reform advocates concerned about soaring rates of incarceration that may follow.

    The session, called by the state’s new far-right governor, Jeff Landry, will consider two dozen items including broad restrictions on parole eligibility, measures to resume executions, the lowering of the age limit for adult prosecutions, and changes to post-conviction procedures often used to remedy wrongful convictions or excessive sentences.

    The results are likely to undo hard-won bipartisan reform efforts in 2017, which helped shrink the state’s prison population by about a quarter and led to Louisiana losing the title of America’s most incarcerated state, with the rate of imprisonment slipping below Mississippi’s in recent years.


    Landry, the state’s former attorney general, came to office in January after a campaign centered on hardline law and order. A former sheriff’s deputy, he was sworn into office in a ceremony lined by flags associated with the “blue lives matter” movement that aligns with law enforcement and is often associated with white nationalism, marking the end of eight years of Democratic incumbency in the deep south state.

    In announcing the session on 8 February, Landry argued a raft of new laws would “repeal soft-on-crime policies that enable criminals and hurt our communities” and pledged to “make our state safe again”.

    While rates of violent crime in Louisiana have long been among the highest in the nation, the state has seen a significant decline since the end of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    And as details of the proposed new laws came into focus, advocates expressed alarm at a number of severe measures they argued would do little to improve public safety, continue to disproportionately affect Black communities and cost the state billions to enforce……


    www.theguardian.com

    ‘Unconscionable’ criminal justice bills could fuel soaring incarceration in Louisiana

    Reform advocates condemn raft of measures expected to pass under new far-right governor
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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    And guess what will happen this summer after he cancelled the summer EBT program for kids... yep, more crime.
     
    REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. (AP) — Sen. Tim Scott, a potential running mate if Donald Trump becomes the Republican presidential nominee, is treading carefully on questions about whether he would have certified the 2020 election had he been vice president at that time.

    On Jan. 6, 2021, about two months after Trump lost the White House, then-Vice President Mike Pence defied his boss and refused to use his largely ceremonial role in overseeing the election certification process to block Democrat Joe Biden’s victory.

    Pence went forward with ratification of the Electoral College even after a violent mob of Trump supporters, some of whom chanted “Hang Mike Pence,” swarmed the U.S. Capitol, interrupting the congressional proceedings and forcing Pence, his family and staff into hiding in the complex.

    Scott, a Trump rival in the 2024 race who dropped outand later endorsed the former president, declined to say in two Sunday news show interviews whether he would have acted differently as vice president.

    “I’m not going to answer hypothetical questions, No. 1,” said Scott, R-S.C. He added: “You’re asking a hypothetical question that you know can never happen again.”

    Scott voted in favor of certifying the 2020 results when the Senate got back to work after the siege. He also said during a presidential debate last year that Pence did the right thing when he certified the election.

    The issue of certification is beginning to emerge again among Republicans. Two other potential Trump vice president contenders, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio and Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York, said this month they would not have allowed 2020 election results to be certified on Jan. 6 had they been in Pence’s position.

    Scott sidestepped questions Sunday about how he saw the vice president’s role in the certification process.

    “The one thing we know about the future is that the former president, fortunately, he’ll be successful in 2024, he won’t be facing that situation again,” Scott said. “So what we should focus on is what will cause the former president, President Trump, to be the next president of the United States.”………
    apnews.com

    Trump VP contender Tim Scott doesn't want to talk about vice president's role in certifying election

    Sen. Tim Scott is treading carefully on questions about whether he would have certified the 2020 election had he been vice president at that time.
    apnews.com apnews.com
     

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