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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    coldseat said:
    These guys need to get new talking points. It's like a stale, broken record every time. America is bored :yawning::asleep:

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    GOP presidential candidate Tim Scott responded to the latest indictment of Donald Trump by saying that the country’s legal system is “being weaponized against political opponents” and describing that development as “un-American and unacceptable.”

    “At the end of the day, we need a better system than that,” Scott told reporters at the Iowa State Fair on Tuesday. “I frankly hope to be the president of the United States — where we have an opportunity to restore confidence and integrity in all of our justice in the country.”
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    Tim Scott can go F himself, his cult like party is the only un-American thing happening here....
     
    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has declared that he’s prepared to authorize drone strikes against drug cartels in Mexico. Bedecked in military-looking garb at the border, he recently vowed to blockade Mexican ports.

    DeSantis is not alone: Many MAGA-fied Republicans are demanding stepped-up military action against the flow of fentanyl — including inside Mexico, without that country’s assent.


    This talk isn’t just insanely reckless. It also exposes a profound absurdity embedded in the MAGA worldview, one that treats migration to the United States as a security problem to be “solved” with maximal force, not a hemispheric challenge that requires international cooperation and diplomacy.


    You might scoff: Surely such warmongering is nothing more than GOP presidential primary posturing.

    But it’s occurring in a larger context: DeSantis has also proposed a blueprint for border security that relies heavily on restoring the “Remain in Mexico” policy. First instituted during Donald Trump’s presidency — and wound down by President Biden — it forced asylum seekers to await hearings in Mexico, and many Republicans see reviving it as a “border security” panacea.

    But doing this would require the cooperation of Mexico. Earlier this year, the Mexican government declared that it opposes restarting the program, and this kind of belligerent approach from Republicans, even if rhetorical, would probably make securing cooperation much harder.

    “Mexico probably will refuse to continue to cooperate with a president that threatens to use force against Mexico without Mexico’s consent,” Martha Bárcena, former Mexican ambassador to the United States, told me. “It’s a total absurdity.”…..

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has declared that he’s prepared to authorize drone strikes against drug cartels in Mexico. Bedecked in military-looking garb at the border, he recently vowed to blockade Mexican ports.

    DeSantis is not alone: Many MAGA-fied Republicans are demanding stepped-up military action against the flow of fentanyl — including inside Mexico, without that country’s assent.


    This talk isn’t just insanely reckless. It also exposes a profound absurdity embedded in the MAGA worldview, one that treats migration to the United States as a security problem to be “solved” with maximal force, not a hemispheric challenge that requires international cooperation and diplomacy.


    You might scoff: Surely such warmongering is nothing more than GOP presidential primary posturing.

    But it’s occurring in a larger context: DeSantis has also proposed a blueprint for border security that relies heavily on restoring the “Remain in Mexico” policy. First instituted during Donald Trump’s presidency — and wound down by President Biden — it forced asylum seekers to await hearings in Mexico, and many Republicans see reviving it as a “border security” panacea.

    But doing this would require the cooperation of Mexico. Earlier this year, the Mexican government declared that it opposes restarting the program, and this kind of belligerent approach from Republicans, even if rhetorical, would probably make securing cooperation much harder.

    “Mexico probably will refuse to continue to cooperate with a president that threatens to use force against Mexico without Mexico’s consent,” Martha Bárcena, former Mexican ambassador to the United States, told me. “It’s a total absurdity.”…..

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    Good grief, DeSantis needs to stick a fork in his campaign and go away.
     
    MT15 said:
    Meacham is right.

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    I don't think losing elections will get the Republicans to change, because they have no regard for winning or losing elections. With few exceptions, Republican leadership and voters have chosen to ignore, subvert and corrupt elections. They have shown no motivation to fairly win a fair election. The more they lose in elections, the more they are going to literally and metaphorically fight against election losses.

    The only way things change is if the Republicans leading this effort are hit with very personal and adverse consequences. It remains to be seen if that is going to happen.

    Now it's back to storm and earthquake watching for me.
     
    LA - L.A. said:
    I don't think losing elections will get the Republicans to change, because they have no regard for winning or losing elections. With few exceptions, Republican leadership and voters have chosen to ignore, subvert and corrupt elections. They have shown no motivation to fairly win a fair election. The more they lose in elections, the more they are going to literally and metaphorically fight against election losses.

    The only way things change is if the Republicans leading this effort are hit with very personal and adverse consequences. It remains to be seen if that is going to happen.

    Now it's back to storm and earthquake watching for me.
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    What you say is true for the extremists. It’s the majority of Rs who will definitely pay attention to losing elections. They’re quiet now, but they will speak up if they see the consequences.
     
    MT15 said:
    What you say is true for the extremists. It’s the majority of Rs who will definitely pay attention to losing elections. They’re quiet now, but they will speak up if they see the consequences.
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    So long as the majority stays quiet, the extremists will continue to pursue their goal. Which is to make elections irrelevant. Forget the ballots, they'll try to use every lever available to simply pick the office holders.

    "Did you win the election?"
    "No, nobody did. I was selected to be the acting congressman while all of the election protests and challenges are adjudicated...that'll take just about as long as a term lasts. Then we'll do it all again. I'll be an acting congressman until I die."
     
    MT15 said:
    What you say is true for the extremists. It’s the majority of Rs who will definitely pay attention to losing elections. They’re quiet now, but they will speak up if they see the consequences.
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    I didn't make my point clear. Yes, they are definitely going to pay attention to losing elections. They are already doing that.

    What I'm pointing out is that the Republican response has not and will not be "let's figure out how to win fair elections in a fair way." Very few people in the Republican party have that mindset anymore.

    With very few exceptions, Republicans have embraced authoritarianism. They are going to try to take and keep positions of power by undermining elections, intimidation and/or outright force. The Republican party will not change back to what it once was.

    The Republicans that haven't liked what has happened under Trump have already left the party. Meachum and others make the false assumption that the "quiet" Republicans have an issue with the corruption and authoritarianism in the Republican party. They are wrong. Those "quiet" only have an issue with Trump as the leader. They aren't saying "hey, we need to clean up our act." They are saying "we need to get rid of Trump."

    The problem and threat of the Republican party is not Trump. The problem and threat of the Republican is they want to rule as authoritarians, even if it's not with Trump as the figure head. The only reason they embraced Trump in the first place is because Trump boldly said aloud what they feel, think and want. That's not going to change, because they are losing elections. Republicans may turn on Trump. but they will not change their ways from within.
     
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    LA - L.A. said:
    I didn't make my point clear. Yes, they are definitely going to pay attention to losing elections. They are already doing that.

    What I'm pointing out is that the Republican response has not and will not be "let's figure out how to win fair elections in a fair way." Very few people in the Republican party have that mindset anymore.

    With very few exceptions, Republicans have embraced authoritarianism. They are going to try to take and keep positions of power by undermining elections, intimidation and/or outright force. The Republican party will not change back to what it once was.

    The Republicans that haven't liked what has happened under Trump have already left the party. Meachum and others make the false assumption that the "quiet" Republicans have an issue with the corruption and authoritarianism in the Republican party. They are wrong. Those "quiet" only have an issue with Trump as the leader. They aren't saying "hey, we need to clean up our act." They are saying "we need to get rid of Trump."

    The problem and threat of the Republican party is not Trump. The problem and threat of the Republican is they want to rule as authoritarians, even if it's not with Trump as the figure head. The only reason they embraced Trump in the first place is because Trump boldly said aloud what they feel, think and want. That's not going to change, because they are losing elections. Republicans may turn on Trump. but they will not change their ways from within.
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    I think there are Rs who want to clean things up, but are too scared to say anything. Locally I am seeing a split - there’s a town a few counties over where they have elected several extremists (Q folks) to their local library and school board. As it has dawned on people just how extreme these idiots are - there are local Rs working against them along with the rest of the people.

    It may be that the R party just basically ceases to exist eventually - but there are plenty of Rs left who want nothing to do with the extremists. This will slowly happen nationally as well. I still think so anyway.
     
    The Iowa poll talked about this morning had Trump 20% ahead of the field among Republicans. That would be 40% of Republicans polled. It might be hard to guess the colorful reasons I‘ve added. That does not mean they're not true, :oops:
    • They’re picking on him.
    • Weaponized Justice Dept.
    • He did nothing wrong.
    • I’ll vote for Beelzebub before any Democrat.
    • I’ve broken bad, and want to have intimate relations with him…
    • Fascism, it’s looking pretty good to me as long as I’m on top.
    • I‘ve always preferred liars to give me the advantage.
    • He can use me any way he wants too. ❤️‍🔥
    • He’s my favorite Golden Calf!
    • White Make Right!
     
    LA - L.A. said:
    The problem and threat of the Republican party is not Trump. The problem and threat of the Republican is they want to rule as authoritarians, even if it's not with Trump as the figure head. The only reason they embraced Trump in the first place is because Trump boldly said aloud what they feel, think and want. That's not going to change, because they are losing elections. Republicans may turn on Trump. but they will not change their ways from within.
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    I totally agree with above, Trump is not the problem, it's the millions of cult members that support him. Trump is going away (hopefully soon) but they are not, they will find another cult leader, possibly even worse than Trump......
     
    MT15 said:
    I think there are Rs who want to clean things up, but are too scared to say anything. Locally I am seeing a split - there’s a town a few counties over where they have elected several extremists (Q folks) to their local library and school board. As it has dawned on people just how extreme these idiots are - there are local Rs working against them along with the rest of the people.

    It may be that the R party just basically ceases to exist eventually - but there are plenty of Rs left who want nothing to do with the extremists. This will slowly happen nationally as well. I still think so anyway.
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    I very much hope it turns out that you read the situation much better than I did.
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    I totally agree with above, Trump is not the problem, it's the millions of cult members that support him. Trump is going away (hopefully soon) but they are not, they will find another cult leader, possibly even worse than Trump......
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    The leadership that's using Trump to further their agenda will absolutely find another cult leader for the followers. I think Kevin McCarthy has been sucking up to Trump hoping to replace Trump as the cult leader. I think most of Trump's challengers have the same aspirations.
     

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