What happens to the Republican Party now? (4 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[MT15]

I don't know how you are able to know what 99% of the people assume and what Cassidy knows.

You assume all the time that everyone else believes as you do. All the time, just saying. You acknowledge that you state your opinions as fact.

 

[Snarky Sack]

It’s the implication and he has to know that. Many people don’t know or remember it isn’t official; they will hear “White House gift shop” and make an assumption about intent and who is behind this.

Or looked at another way, Trump’s legal problems are a highly charged issue for an already bitterly divided people. It’s not too much to expect a sitting senator to refrain from carelessly stoking tensions. Is this really something he needed to bring attention to?

Possible Cassidy is ignorant on this but then he should clarify.

"Carelessly stoking tensions?" I can't think of anything in our history that is a worse example of carelessly stoking tensions than the indictment itself.

I haven't seen anyone on this thread say that they disapprove of the coin (except myself). Which is good, because that would be mighty hypocritical considering the happy dance the Trump opponents have been doing all week.

Yes, Cassidy could make some clarification about the White House Gift Shop not being run by the White House. But come on, man! These constant demands to cater to ignorance grow tiresome. People ignorant of the WHGS use of the name are probably people who are going to support Biden no matter what, so Cassidy's words of criticism won't change that, and any attempt to educate them would fall on deaf ears.

How about sending an email to the "White House Gift Shop" and asking them to clarify that they are not actually a gift shop in the White House? Their webpage doesn't do anything to correct that impression.

 

[Incumbent]

Does Cassidy make this video if the coins were being sold by Crazy Anthony’s Trinket Emporium? Somehow I don’t think that would hit the same or that he would care.

 

[Snarky Sack]

You assume all the time that everyone else believes as you do. All the time, just saying.

That's absurd considering that I am one of the few non Trump opponents on this board.

You acknowledge that you state your opinions as fact.

Yes, that is the training I received when colleges were still teaching rhetoric.

Do you always distinguish whether you are stating a fact, or an opinion?

 

[Incumbent]

Yeah, we should suspend the rule of law so as not to upset Trump’s base.

/snarky

 

[MT15]

That's absurd considering that I am one of the few non Trump opponents on this board.

Yes, that is the training I received when colleges were still teaching rhetoric.

Do you always distinguish whether you are stating a fact, or an opinion?

Yes, because I’m not trying to engage in sport here. I’m trying to communicate. Sometimes I am venting, sometimes just having conversation. Most of the people on this board have been conversing with each other for years. People who are verbally combative don’t tend to stay that long in my recollection.

It’s counterproductive to actual forthright communication when you state your opinions as fact. It’s arrogant and demeaning to anyone who may not have the same views you do. IMO.

What I meant when I say you assume everyone has your views is that you feel comfortable smearing certain professions, certain ideologies or even mis-stating the views of whole classes of people in here. To me this signifies you think everyone else here must agree, or else what you have just said is cruel. Most people aren’t cruel intentionally, at least not that often. So, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in this case.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Then there is this guy.. lol.. I sure do wish he would try it.

U.S. Congressman Threatens To Read Top Secret National Security Secrets Aloud on TV​

MSN

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

"Carelessly stoking tensions?" I can't think of anything in our history that is a worse example of carelessly stoking tensions than the indictment itself.

I haven't seen anyone on this thread say that they disapprove of the coin (except myself). Which is good, because that would be mighty hypocritical considering the happy dance the Trump opponents have been doing all week.

Yes, Cassidy could make some clarification about the White House Gift Shop not being run by the White House. But come on, man! These constant demands to cater to ignorance grow tiresome. People ignorant of the WHGS use of the name are probably people who are going to support Biden no matter what, so Cassidy's words of criticism won't change that, and any attempt to educate them would fall on deaf ears.

How about sending an email to the "White House Gift Shop" and asking them to clarify that they are not actually a gift shop in the White House? Their webpage doesn't do anything to correct that impression.

he wouldn't make that clarification because he wants people to believe its the actual White House doing it. Do you disagree with that?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Yes, because I’m not trying to engage in sport here. I’m trying to communicate. Sometimes I am venting, sometimes just having conversation. Most of the people on this board have been conversing with each other for years. People who are verbally combative don’t tend to stay that long in my recollection.

I've noticed that most posters on here seem to largely agree with each other, and rarely express disagreement if they have it. So I get that any disagreement might be seen as "verbally combative." In public, we've lost a lot of opportunities for civil discourse, because of that. I hope we can still have it here, but if not, it will be what it will be.

It’s counterproductive to actual forthright communication when you state your opinions as fact. It’s arrogant and demeaning to anyone who may not have the same views you do. IMO.

LoL!

Nice catch with the "IMO." Will you keep that up?

What I meant when I say you assume everyone has your views is that you feel comfortable smearing certain professions, certain ideologies or even mis-stating the views of whole classes of people in here.

I don't think it is "smearing" to state what the left ideology is, or what librarians are currently being told in their professional publications. I could get some of what the left ideology is wrong, no doubt. But what librarians are being told is factual, you can see for yourself:

Banned & Challenged Books

ALA compiles data on book challenges from reports filed by library professionals in the field and from news stories published throughout the United States.

www.ala.org

To me this signifies you think everyone else here must agree, or else what you have just said is cruel. Most people aren’t cruel intentionally, at least not that often. So, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in this case.

I get it. People on here are sensitive about being categorized, or generalized. Fine, I've tried to avoid that when referring to posters on here once they stated they had an issue with it.

Yet, posters make statement such as:

How people can support this poison is somewhat puzzling other than I believe it is rooted in racism and white privilege

Rememebr when BLM ans other protestors would be out protestng something in the middle of the day in the middle of the week and good ol boy racists would make back hand comments like ,they can be out there because they don't have jobs and are welfare queens and the type, while us Rs have to work and pay for their welfare.... My how the tables have turned and now they are the ones who are doing it the most....lol

As far as hating Trump followers, I have a range of negative emotions about their motivations for following such a Peice of work.

Almost every speech by Trump is a Gish gallop. His supporters are imitating him.

People who believe this claptrap are beyond stupid.

And I see no complaints from you about it.

BTW, that last sentence: would you take it as factual or opinion?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Then there is this guy.. lol.. I sure do wish he would try it.

U.S. Congressman Threatens To Read Top Secret National Security Secrets Aloud on TV​

MSN

Why? What do you think would happen to him?

 

[Snarky Sack]

he wouldn't make that clarification because he wants people to believe its the actual White House doing it. Do you disagree with that?

I disagree that you know his thoughts. Your guess about his motivation may or may not be correct.

I don't know his thoughts either, but if I had to guess, I would guess that he was complaining about the existence of such a coin sold by an organization that uses the name "White House Gift Shop," and didn't think it was relevant who actually runs it, or didn't want to take the time to provide a disclaimer for people who aren't paying attention.

I think it is not right for a business to put a picture of the White House and a .gov web address on their front page when they are not affiliated with the WH. But I guess they are allowed to. I happen to live in a house that is white, myself, so I guess I could start an online store called "The Real White House," and sell all kinds of parody commemoratives.

 

[Snarky Sack]

MT15, here's a much fresher example for you to correct, if you like:

Trump doesn't care about this country nor is he loyal to anyone except himself. All of his supporters are fools.

Go get 'em!

 

[DaveXA]

I don't know how you are able to know what 99% of the people assume and what Cassidy knows.

Unless you're a Congressman or actually familiar with the WH Gift Shop, people are going to assume it's run by the WH. It's really not a stretch to say as much.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Unless you're a Congressman or actually familiar with the WH Gift Shop, people are going to assume it's run by the WH. It's really not a stretch to say as much.

Did you get this upset when the WHGS started selling the COVID coin and people criticized it?

The White House Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump's Fight Against the Coronavirus

The White House Gift Shop has released a new commemorative coronavirus coin celebrating Donald Trump's response to the global pandemic.

news.artnet.com

Politics​

The White House Gift Shop Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump’s Fight Against the Coronavirus​

Donald Trump's penchant for over-the-top presidential coins has already inspired contemporary-art parodies.

Sarah Cascone, April 30, 2020

Why am I even asking? If you are so angry over Cassidy not clarifying that Biden is not in charge of the WHGS, then of course you would have been furious at Sarah Cascone directly blaming Trump for it.

Right?

 

[DaveXA]

Did you get this upset when the WHGS started selling the COVID coin and people criticized it?

The White House Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump's Fight Against the Coronavirus

The White House Gift Shop has released a new commemorative coronavirus coin celebrating Donald Trump's response to the global pandemic.

news.artnet.com

Politics​

The White House Gift Shop Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump’s Fight Against the Coronavirus​

Donald Trump's penchant for over-the-top presidential coins has already inspired contemporary-art parodies.

Sarah Cascone, April 30, 2020

Why am I even asking? If you are so angry over Cassidy not clarifying that Biden is not in charge of the WHGS, then of course you would have been furious at Sarah Cascone directly blaming Trump for it.

Right?

Nope, lol. To be clear, I couldn't care less about the coins. It's a free country. I don't agree with either of the coins, but they're just distractions. What I do care about is a Congressman who knows better is trying to imply to his constituents that the WH somehow has something to do with the Gift Shop, which is clearly not true.

 

[samiam5211]

Did you get this upset when the WHGS started selling the COVID coin and people criticized it?

The White House Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump's Fight Against the Coronavirus

The White House Gift Shop has released a new commemorative coronavirus coin celebrating Donald Trump's response to the global pandemic.

news.artnet.com

Politics​

The White House Gift Shop Is Now Selling This Absurd Commemorative Coin Honoring President Trump’s Fight Against the Coronavirus​

Donald Trump's penchant for over-the-top presidential coins has already inspired contemporary-art parodies.

Sarah Cascone, April 30, 2020

Why am I even asking? If you are so angry over Cassidy not clarifying that Biden is not in charge of the WHGS, then of course you would have been furious at Sarah Cascone directly blaming Trump for it.

Right?

Who is Sarah Cascone and why should any of us care?

Cassidy is an elected representative from the state that most of the people on this forum have a connection to.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Who is Sarah Cascone and why should any of us care?

Cassidy is an elected representative from the state that most of the people on this forum have a connection to.

Another thrilling "That's DIFFERENT!" defense.

 

[samiam5211]

Another thrilling "That's DIFFERENT!" defense.

Yes, you will find that is a common response to constant whataboutism.